Am I ready for tren?

[TheDreamer]

This last cycle was my second one ever. I didn't get as big as I had in mind but that's because I did the mistake of using EQ + test. I've been depressed lately because I gained like crazy and lost most of my gains. It's been 2 months since my last injection. I'm thinking in starting in October my third cycle. Just wondering if I'm ready for tren. Thoughts?

[TheDreamer]

5'11 and 185 pounds were my stats right after my last cycle.

[Cylon357]

Dude, no, you are SO far from ready for tren.

You regularly miss workouts, barely work legs at all, and are probably about 25 pounds too light. Tren is one of, if not THE, single most powerful anabolic and psych-o-holic agents ever discovered.

Dial your routine, diet and recovery in properly first.

[TheDreamer]

Dude, no, you are SO far from ready for tren.

You regularly miss workouts, barely work legs at all, and are probably about 25 pounds too light. Tren is one of, if not THE, single most powerful anabolic and psych-o-holic agents ever discovered.

Dial your routine, diet and recovery in properly first.

What my next cycle should consist of then?

[Cylon357]

What my next cycle should consist of then?

What are your goals? Be specific.

But even without that, there are some general things you should do:

Eat well
Train consistently
Recuperate properly

You have to have those down to get the most out of PEDs. Otherwise, you are wasting time and money. Plus, you are maximizing your risk / benefit ratio <-- that is backwards. You are putting your health at risk while fiddle farting away the potential benefits because you haven't dialed in those 3 things.

[Mooseman33]

agree with above.

[songdog]

No! Test diet diet diet!

[Erwin55]

If you feel the need to ask then no.

[Honkey_Kong]

If you're not going to learn to train and eat right, why bother?

If you're just taking gear for the sake of taking gear, you might as well do abombs too.

[Iranon]

Am I ready for tren?

5'11 and 185 pounds were my stats right after my last cycle.

I am 6'1'' and 230lbs at 12% bodyfat after my first cycle in 20 years and I am not ready for Tren for many reasons.
I would say you should never run tren and also never run oral steroids unless you are getting ready for a show and have packed on at least 20lbs more muscle mass.

Good luck, be safe, be smart.

[JaneDoe]

You ask what your cycle should consist of since you used the mother of all steroids "Exogenous Testosterone" and Equipoise. If you can't make gains with testosterone in performance dosing and diet, you won't grow with anything. I learned in that time that I train, it's just that it's no use taking several steroids, if you're going to sin in the homework "Micronutrients + macronutrients diet". Here's the question, you say that you didn't hold the gains from your previous cycle, but you don't mention if you implemented an efficient PCT plan after the cycle and if you had a proper diet, because after the cycle you become catabolic in the pct (and that's when the diet has to be adjusted to a higher level of calories to combat the stress hormone cortisol).

[Honkey_Kong]

TheDreamer, I'm going to be blunt and say something that will trigger you so maybe you'll make some better decisions in your life. At 5'11 and 185, you're still a skinny wimp and shouldn't be taking gear at all. The fact that you can't keep on the little muscle you did put on from your previous cycles (which wasn't beyond anyone's genetic limit) says to everybody that your diet is shit contrary to whatever you'll defend yourself on here with.

And yes, I know you'll say your diet is and you train great. Well if that were the case you wouldn't be 5'11 and 185lbs even if you've never taken gear before.

So either you're going to troll with more defense of your shitty physique and ask more questions about gear you want to take. Or you're going to be honest with yourself for once and admit that everything you've been doing thus far was wrong.

It's up to you. I'm tired of humoring this shit TBH.

[TheDreamer]

TheDreamer, I'm going to be blunt and say something that will trigger you so maybe you'll make some better decisions in your life. At 5'11 and 185, you're still a skinny wimp and shouldn't be taking gear at all. The fact that you can't keep on the little muscle you did put on from your previous cycles (which wasn't beyond anyone's genetic limit) says to everybody that your diet is shit contrary to whatever you'll defend yourself on here with.

And yes, I know you'll say your diet is and you train great. Well if that were the case you wouldn't be 5'11 and 185lbs even if you've never taken gear before.

So either you're going to troll with more defense of your shitty physique and ask more questions about gear you want to take. Or you're going to be honest with yourself for once and admit that everything you've been doing thus far was wrong.

It's up to you. I'm tired of humoring this shit TBH.

Do you think stress could be a main issue? I've been suffering of insomnia since 2018. The earliest I fall sleep in around 2am. Sometimes I'm still up at 3 and 4am even. I have to admit that my diet was not the best during pct ( I did eat over the maintance leve and made sure to intake enough proteins though). Not increasing enough the weights perhaps is another factor?

[JaneDoe]

Do you think stress could be a main issue? I've been suffering of insomnia since 2018. The earliest I fall sleep in around 2am. Sometimes I'm still up at 3 and 4am even. I have to admit that my diet was not the best during pct ( I did eat over the maintance leve and made sure to intake enough proteins though). Not increasing enough the weights perhaps is another factor?

Well, your muscles grow at rest, in your sleep. At least you have to sleep about 8 hours at night. Can you describe to us how you did your pct and how many calories you were consuming per day?? Contrary to what you think, eating in excess calories is better than eating in maintenance! This I saw GearHeaded talking about, so please describe everything you did from the beginning of the cycle to your pct, describe everything in detail diet, cycle and pct, what you ate etc.

[TheDreamer]

Well, your muscles grow at rest, in your sleep. At least you have to sleep about 8 hours at night. Can you describe to us how you did your pct and how many calories you were consuming per day?? Contrary to what you think, eating in excess calories is better than eating in maintenance! This I saw GearHeaded talking about, so please describe everything you did from the beginning of the cycle to your pct, describe everything in detail diet, cycle and pct, what you ate etc.

I was just eating more during pct only tracking my proteins to make sure I was taking enough to keep my mass. I wasn't tracking my fats nor my carbs. Carbs consisted of mostly rice, corn and flour-based food here and there (again, only here and there). 96% fat ground beef, meatloaf and whey were my main sources of protein. My main source of fats was avocado. See, you can also say I was eating a lot of junk food (3 days a week let's say). But nothing like McDonalds, KFC, etc. It was mostly eating at chinese buffets and all that. For dinner I was getting meatload and cornmeal nearly every night because it was the easiest way to prepare my food. And no, I did not track my calories. Since I was eating so many high calorie meals I thought it wasn't necessary as long as my weight remained about the same every week.

[TheDreamer]

Well, your muscles grow at rest, in your sleep. At least you have to sleep about 8 hours at night. Can you describe to us how you did your pct and how many calories you were consuming per day?? Contrary to what you think, eating in excess calories is better than eating in maintenance! This I saw GearHeaded talking about, so please describe everything you did from the beginning of the cycle to your pct, describe everything in detail diet, cycle and pct, what you ate etc.

6-8 hours a day I usually sleep. But I never feel well-rested even if I sleep 9 or 10 hours. It's because going so late itself makes me feel tired no matter if I sleep during the whole day the day after.

[Lee_1978]

I tried tren for the first time on the cycle before my last and i wasn't overly impressed. In terms of putting on size - NPP and test are still king in my book.

[JaneDoe]

I tried tren for the first time on the cycle before my last and i wasn't overly impressed. In terms of putting on size - NPP and test are still king in my book.

Well tren is far ahead of any steroid, just be brave to take a high dosage and experience some psychotic sides. In my opinion, only those who want to compete in bodybuilding should take Tren .Imo

[wango]

I’d say no. Not because of anything mentioned above. You’ve got another thread asking about testosterone alone similar to TRT style. Go with that.

Personally I did tren for the first time at 61. I wasn’t a muscular beast, I was guided by a knowledgeable coach & did it at doses starting at 75mg./wk and bounced to 125/wk. i dug it and the improvements. But, mentally it fucks with you.

13 weeks into a monster recomp, have dropped 20 pounds of fat & added muscle while only using 150 mg. Test/week. After I hopefully drop another 10-15 & see my abs cleanly, I’m really tempted to go back on 125-150/week of tren & see the changes. I figure if it was that noticeable before, then at the lower body fat it just might be something damn cool. BTW, current age is 64.

Stick with TRT doses, eat clean & train hard. Remember, everyone’s genetics are different & we all can’t be massive/cut beasts.

[JaneDoe]

I believe your feeding failed during your cycle and on your PCT. The rule of thumb is simple, tracking macronutrients is homework for anyone on a steroid cycle! What I'm telling you is not a sermon, I'm telling you what I've learned from my mistakes, I've been where you are, believe me. Steroid results are minimal. without adequate nutritional monitoring, I was once that young man at the gym who followed the (Bro science) of the guys at the gym "eat higher protein content, pasta, sweet potatoes; you will grow". in bodybuilding should ignore, why? Why think that being overeating is different from "being for real" - above the TDEE (total energy expenditure) during the cycle! When you don't keep track of your macronutrients, carbs, proteins and fats, it's just a guessing game that will minimize your gains on the cycle! Just by what you described to me, I can already see that you "were thinking you were eating well, when in fact your diet was precarious. You want a recipe to grow in a cycle" abuse of carbohydrates something above 600 g per day and can reach around 1000g per day in a bulking diet phase during the cycle. Get 2g of protein for your LBM and keep your daily fat intake at 20+% of good fats. All these macronutrients need to be tracked, myfitnesspal food tracker awaits you in the next cycle. Regarding your diet in your pct, it was extremely bad too (you only monitored protein, and protein absorption works with high levels of carbs to have muscle anabolism! The high content of carbs + protein fights the stress hormone cortisol in pct in excess calories.

[TheDreamer]

I just want to say that I'm very depressed right now. It's so much the money and time I have spent in cycles. I had a trainer that costed 300 bucks for 3 months. Then I hired for another month for 100. He was the one that gave me the diet and what gear to use. I will never have a body to die for.

[FryingPanMan244]

Don't be depressed my guy... as far as body comping is concerned, it really is never too late untill you're on your death bed

ive never touched steroids myself, i was 224lbs, went on a strict ketogenic diet with slightly higher protein and now im 161lbs, took me 9 months, i can see my muscles and abs and feel fantastic, all natural with diet, and a weight lifting

My advise to you would be forget the gear (for now) and focus on 1. your diet, and 2. your training routine

once you have developed this habit, you know your diet is good and you are strict with it, your training is habitual and routine then you can think about introducing steroids

ive been thinking about gear myself, and believe im still not ready for it just at the moment, i have more to give naturally before i can step up

if you need any help with diet or routine i would be glad to help you out

some pics as "Proof" of my own recomp over the last 9 months