Cycle Idea

[Tree Trunks]

Week 1-10 500mg sustabol 250
Week 3-12 150mg Trenabol
Week 5-14 200mg Deca

Whats your take on it? The Sustabol is from a company that i havent heard of from Canada T----- Labs which it seems no one has heard of, which is making me iffy about the sust. any advice

[widowmaker2]

wow..stats?? is this your 1st cycle??
age
bf%
weight
diet
years lifting
goals

[Tree Trunks]

23, 15% BF, 220lbs. Lifting for about 3 years on and off. Very clean eating, 45/35/20 total calorie breakdown.

[one8nine]

15% is too high to cycle
test e or test c is better than sust
deca/tren is not a good mix
deca takes 4-6 weeks to peak
first cycle?

[RuhlFreak55]

15% is too high to cycle
test e or test c is better than sust
deca/tren is not a good mix
deca takes 4-6 weeks to peak
first cycle?

hmmm good thing i never tell you people my bodyfat then.....not that i know what it is but when i bulk i go lee priest on it's ass

[Tree Trunks]

15% is too high to cycle
test e or test c is better than sust
deca/tren is not a good mix
deca takes 4-6 weeks to peak
first cycle?

That stack is listed under Anabolics 2006. Thought it might be alrite to try

[Kale]

hmmm good thing i never tell you people my bodyfat then.....not that i know what it is but when i bulk i go lee priest on it's ass

Me too

[Doc.Sust]

you need to do deca longer to get results. i have mixed and trn and deca with success but it isnt an easy road to go down. i had to increase my test to get myself back to normal

[Tree Trunks]

you need to do deca longer to get results. i have mixed and trn and deca with success but it isnt an easy road to go down. i had to increase my test to get myself back to normal

what if you just go to 400mg a week instead of adding more weeks? And are spot injections better?

[Doc.Sust]

what if you just go to 400mg a week instead of adding more weeks? And are spot injections better?

it doenst work like that. it would be like if i decided to take 3grams of test a wk for 3 wks instead of running a regular cycle of one gram for nine wks. more of a product doesnt make it react quicker in your body, it depends on the esther of the compound. deca isnt quick acting. you need to give it time to start to work due to the esther. also, i dont know what you can expect form 200mg per wk. in my book, it is a low dose. nothing wrong with low doses, but i never ran deca that low so i cnt tell you. i would do a LOT more research on the compound and all the compounds you plan on taking before you do this

[Kale]

I am getting the feeling this is your first cycle ?

[Doc.Sust]

I am getting the feeling this is your first cycle ?

lol

[Kale]

lol

If it is, better him than me

[Tree Trunks]

it doenst work like that. it would be like if i decided to take 3grams of test a wk for 3 wks instead of running a regular cycle of one gram for nine wks. more of a product doesnt make it react quicker in your body, it depends on the esther of the compound. deca isnt quick acting. you need to give it time to start to work due to the esther. also, i dont know what you can expect form 200mg per wk. in my book, it is a low dose. nothing wrong with low doses, but i never ran deca that low so i cnt tell you. i would do a LOT more research on the compound and all the compounds you plan on taking before you do this

Thanks. I have done my research and it seems like since this is one of my first that im actually gonna go through with it seems like its not bad. Im trying to prevent gyno in any way, so i figured a 14 week cycle of moderate or low dosages like you said, wouldnt be that bad

[Tree Trunks]

lol

Yeah but hey, gotta live and learn

[Kale]

Yeah but hey, gotta live and learn

Well I think you are about to learn the hard way. What have you got planned for PCT ?

[Tree Trunks]

Well I think you are about to learn the hard way. What have you got planned for PCT ?

Ill have nova on hand and clomid

[Kale]

So is this your first cycle ? You didnt answer

[Tree Trunks]

So is this your first cycle ? You didnt answer

Yeah

[Doc.Sust]

Thanks. I have done my research and it seems like since this is one of my first that im actually gonna go through with it seems like its not bad. Im trying to prevent gyno in any way, so i figured a 14 week cycle of moderate or low dosages like you said, wouldnt be that bad

get letro if you are worried about gyno. i am glad you researched, but if you read more carefully you would see y i think a few wk of a low dose of deca is a waste unless you are using the deca to help your joints feel a little bit better and could care less about how it would work for you. low dose is fine, but 5-6 wk is a waste, it wont do anything

[Kale]

Yeah

Figured as much. You probably wont listen but that is way to much juice for your first cycle and you would know that if you had done the research you claim you have already done.

[Tree Trunks]

get letro if you are worried about gyno. i am glad you researched, but if you read more carefully you would see y i think a few wk of a low dose of deca is a waste unless you are using the deca to help your joints feel a little bit better and could care less about how it would work for you. low dose is fine, but 5-6 wk is a waste, it wont do anything

Thanks, i can see what you mean

[Tree Trunks]

Figured as much. You probably wont listen but that is way to much juice for your first cycle and you would know that if you had done the research you claim you have already done.

I have done my research and thats why its moderate dosages and not larger.

[Doc.Sust]

the final word take form the profile

Deca is known for producing quality weight gains, but it has to be used for 12 weeks at a minimum, judging from Steroid.com members feedback, as well as my own personal experience. This shouldn’t cause any problems, since it is a very mild drug in terms of side-effects.

Many members of Steroid.com also complain of water-retention with this drug, and again, I’m inclined to agree. Letrozole seems to be a preferred choice to combat this, and it’s my favorite for this use. This water retention would seem to make Deca more suitable for bulking rather than cutting, although it can be succesfully used for either.

Now for the worst news: Deca is a progestin (as are all nandrolones), unfortunately; it happens to stimulate the progesterone receptor 20% as well as progesterone itself (3), and this opens the door for many possible unwanted side effects (water retention, acne, etc…). It must be noted that most of those are rare, though. This also may be the major reason that Deca is such a suppressive drug when it comes to your natural testosterone levels. We can see from the chart below that a simgle measly 100mg injection of Deca caused a total (100%) reduction of natural testosterone levels, and it took roughly a month to return those testosterone levels to baseline! All from 100mgs of Deca!


The moral of this story? Always use Testosterone with your Deca! I suggest 200mgs, minimum, to avoid impotence and sexual dysfunction. For an anabolic effect from that Testosterone, I recommend at least double that, with an equal amount of deca

[Kale]

I have done my research and thats why its moderate dosages and not larger.

Well my advice would be to take out the Tren

Just do it this way

wk 1-12 Sust 500mg split on two and shot Mon and Thurs
wk 1-11 Deca 400mg split in two and mixed with the sust

PCT

Thats all you need for your first cycle. Some will even say leave out the Deca.

[Doc.Sust]

or just do the test and tren the way you planned and throw out the deca all together. that is what iw ould do. either way will work.

[Tree Trunks]

Well my advice would be to take out the Tren

Just do it this way

wk 1-12 Sust 500mg split on two and shot Mon and Thurs
wk 1-11 Deca 400mg split in two and mixed with the sust

PCT

Thats all you need for your first cycle. Some will even say leave out the Deca.

Thanks alot. Ill give that a try, only problem is i know my Tren/Deca is legit. I'm a little iffy about my Sust. Thats the only problem.

[Kale]

Thanks alot. Ill give that a try, only problem is i know my Tren/Deca is legit. I'm a little iffy about my Sust. Thats the only problem.

As Doc says either will work but just dont do Deca and Tren together. Can you get Test E or Test C. Why do you think the Sust is junk ?

[Tree Trunks]

or just do the test and tren the way you planned and throw out the deca all together. that is what iw ould do. either way will work.

thanks for the advice

[Tree Trunks]

As Doc says either will work but just dont do Deca and Tren together. Can you get Test E or Test C. Why do you think the Sust is junk ?

Its a Canadian Lab, No one has heard of it, ive searched everywhere, most likely and ugl. i guess the only way to really tell is go get blood work done. If i can get my hands on E or C follow the same dosage as you recommended?

[Kale]

Its a Canadian Lab, No one has heard of it, ive searched everywhere, most likely and ugl. i guess the only way to really tell is go get blood work done. If i can get my hands on E or C follow the same dosage as you recommended?

Yes exactly the same.....

[Tree Trunks]

Yes exactly the same.....

thanks for the advice!

[Doc.Sust]

Its a Canadian Lab, No one has heard of it, ive searched everywhere, most likely and ugl. i guess the only way to really tell is go get blood work done. If i can get my hands on E or C follow the same dosage as you recommended?

i am sure it is fine. UGL's i knew of always provided good products. dont doubt it until you try it. give it 4 wks to kick in

[one8nine]

Well my advice would be to take out the Tren

Just do it this way

wk 1-12 Sust 500mg split on two and shot Mon and Thurs
wk 1-11 Deca 400mg split in two and mixed with the sust

PCT

Thats all you need for your first cycle. Some will even say leave out the Deca.

2x a week sust?
imo eod

[Kale]

2x a week sust?
imo eod

works fine 2 times a week

[one8nine]

works fine 2 times a week

why not use a straight long ester if youre not going to take advantage of the short esters?

[Kale]

why not use a straight long ester if youre not going to take advantage of the short esters?

Because he cant get a long Ester, he is also a newbie and probably wont be up to sticking himself EOD and IMO the benefit of the Prop in sust is negligible anyway

[one8nine]

Because he cant get a long Ester, he is also a newbie and probably wont be up to sticking himself EOD and IMO the benefit of the Prop in sust is negligible anyway

that makes sense
but if your ignore the short esters you only have sust 160

[Kale]

that makes sense
but if your ignore the short esters you only have sust 160

Have your tried sust twice a week ? I have done it both ways and I found no real difference in the results, apart from less pain from the shots