Keeping hard earned gains after a cycle

[Judah]

Any advice, tricks, tips on keeping hard earned gains after a cycle?

10 weeks: 500mg a week Test-E / 800mg a week Primo / 0.25mg Armidex EOD / 500iu HCG a week

Post: Nolva 40/40/20/20 - Clomid 100/100/50/50

[AD]

a good pct help to bring natty test up as soon as possible.

avoid catabolic state by eating above maintenance.

some supplements like vit c and e to control cortisol.

btw, your clomid dose looks rather high. have you tried your pct before?

[Judah]

a good pct help to bring natty test up as soon as possible.

avoid catabolic state by eating above maintenance.

some supplements like vit c and e to control cortisol.

btw, your clomid dose looks rather high. have you tried your pct before?

I have not ran this PCT. Originally I was going to run the nolva and 250iu hcg post, no clomid. After getting advice on here, everyone said my PCT looked light, I should drop the hcg post and only run it during, and add the 100/100/50/50 of Clomid.

[PaynESTER]

Only thing PCT will allow you to keep is water weight. Not muscle

1 cc of test is so much more than your body ever makes naturally.

So how can you keep the gains on so much lower test?

Look at Larry Scott and Sergio oliva

They never did PCT and doing great in their late 70s

Everyone you know/see in and on magazines do not PCT.

Steroids do not kill people.

Cigarettes and alcohol do.
Narcotics
Pain killers

Not steroids.

[DanB]

^^^^^^^

Troll

[PaynESTER]

No that's the truth brother

I guess jay cutler loves his nolva lmao

You only pop nolva when you have some signs of gyno within a week, boom it's dried up.

[gixxerboy1]

Only thing PCT will allow you to keep is water weight. Not muscle

1 cc of test is so much more than your body ever makes naturally.

So how can you keep the gains on so much lower test?

Look at Larry Scott and Sergio oliva

They never did PCT and doing great in their late 70s

Everyone you know/see in and on magazines do not PCT.

Steroids do not kill people.

Cigarettes and alcohol do.
Narcotics
Pain killers

Not steroids.

stop giving advice. your 21. You even said your just getting into understanding everything. You can hold muscle with pct. What your posting can be dangerous.
you psoted guys in there 70's who are fine.
What about my friend art atwood who dropped dead last year.

[DanB]

Is the OP a pro BB'er? no he aint, he asking about pct not blast and cruise

And explain to me how you keep no LBM from pct and only water? in detail please

No PCT in 70's? what about amputantions where as now they save limps, electric shock treatment and lobotomy and now they use medication, cancer and your fvcked but now they can treat it? so yeah you continue getting your medical knowledge from 70's, I'll stick to the latest

[gixxerboy1]

No that's the truth brother

I guess jay cutler loves his nolva lmao

You only pop nolva when you have some signs of gyno within a week, boom it's dried up.

you can compare a pro to the average guy on here. Yes they dont come off. This is also their job.
You think everyone should cycle like a pro. Thats just stupid.
and if you dont think pro's use nolva or ai's on cycle your an wrong

[lovbyts]

Only thing PCT will allow you to keep is water weight. Not muscle

1 cc of test is so much more than your body ever makes naturally.

So how can you keep the gains on so much lower test?

Look at Larry Scott and Sergio oliva

They never did PCT and doing great in their late 70s

Everyone you know/see in and on magazines do not PCT.

Steroids do not kill people.

Cigarettes and alcohol do.
Narcotics
Pain killers

Not steroids.

Now you are preaching NO PCT?
Tick, tick, tick...

[DanB]

you can compare a pro to the average guy on here. Yes they dont come off. This is also their job.
You think everyone should cycle like a pro. Thats just stupid.
and if you dont think pro's use nolva or ai's on cycle your an wrong

Hmmmmm I reckon a few gram test/tren would give some crazy gyno, make for an interesting look on stage wouldnt it lol

[PaynESTER]

Lmao HGH goes a long way with high test

Art Atwood didn't die from steroids

Since you were his friend tell me

How many painkillers he was on?
How many Booz did he drink while juicing?

[gixxerboy1]

he died from a heart attack.

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

stop giving advice. your 21. You even said your just getting into understanding everything. You can hold muscle with pct. What your posting can be dangerous.
you psoted guys in there 70's who are fine.
What about my friend art atwood who dropped dead last year.

your friend did not drop dead from a little test, please go.

you can only hold muscle after PCT if you didn't reach your natty limit... in which case you won't even look like you cycled.

[DanB]

So now you have multiple accounts, bye bye

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

So now you have multiple accounts, bye bye

who has multiple accounts?

[DanB]

You aka paynester

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

You aka paynester

or i'm someone else who was disgusted with the advice you guys were giving and wanted to come spread some truth as well? who do you think you are?

[Judah]

Looks like paynESTER caused such a stir we lost focus haha.

[gixxerboy1]

your friend did not drop dead from a little test, please go.

you can only hold muscle after PCT if you didn't reach your natty limit... in which case you won't even look like you cycled.

and most members havent reached there natural limit. Or arent looking to be on trt for life.

no it wasnt a little test, but if you dont think running high doses for years has an effect on your health you have no clue.

and im sure you all know more about it. What do i know i only knew him

[DanB]

or i'm someone else who was disgusted with the advice you guys were giving and wanted to come spread some truth as well? who do you think you are?

bahahaha spread the truth, you sound like gh15

so come on then, fill me in on everything you feel the need to correct us on, i could do with a laugh

[PaynESTER]

Atwood has his heart attack from painkillers

Just like the people who died in WWE

Painkillers and Booz!

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

and most members havent reached there natural limit. Or arent looking to be on trt for life.

no it wasnt a little test, but if you dont think running high doses for years has an effect on your health you have no clue.

and im sure you all know more about it. What do i know i only knew him

of course it has an effect on your health, i never said it didn't, but it takes a LOT of anabolics and very little proactivity on your part to kill yourself with gear (assuming gear was all he was taking.. and with upper level BB that's never the case) and you're making it seem like these kids are going to mess themselves up if they stay on a little test between cycles rather than coming off completely. i have no problem admitting it isn't good for you, but it's blown SO FAR out of proportion here that it's actually depressing.

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

bahahaha spread the truth, you sound like gh15

so come on then, fill me in on everything you feel the need to correct us on, i could do with a laugh

is that all you have to say? accuse me of being someone else, then shit on me? you sound really mature, can't believe you're regarded as a knowledgeable member here

[gixxerboy1]

of course it has an effect on your health, i never said it didn't, but it takes a LOT of anabolics and very little proactivity on your part to kill yourself with gear (assuming gear was all he was taking.. and with upper level BB that's never the case) and you're making it seem like these kids are going to mess themselves up if they stay on a little test between cycles rather than coming off completely. i have no problem admitting it isn't good for you, but it's blown SO FAR out of proportion here that it's actually depressing.

will staying on a little test between cycles kill them? No. But they probably wont recover when they want to stop. So everyone doesnt want to be on for life. So there is consequences to it

[gixxerboy1]

Atwood has his heart attack from painkillers

Just like the people who died in WWE

Painkillers and Booz!

and you know this how?

[DanB]

is that all you have to say? accuse me of being someone else, then shit on me? you sound really mature, can't believe you're regarded as a knowledgeable member here

ok my bad, you just joined up to agree with a troll talking shit

you never answered my question, you say everything wrong here and you feel the need to correct us, so come on then spill

[Judah]

I can't afford nor do I want to to be "on" 365 days a year lol. So besides my PCT, what else will help me hold on to gains?

[PaynESTER]

I suppose Zyzz died from the steroids too.

Your right. It wasn't his congenital heart defect
And the cocaine, extacsy, and alcohol.

Get real bro. You can't count 10 people who died from steroids
And if you do name 10 people
I guarantee they were not on just roids. As mentioned above.

[gixxerboy1]

ahh to be 21 and know it all.....

[PaynESTER]

I forgot since you are older that means you are smarter...ahhh

[PaynESTER]

I can't afford nor do I want to to be "on" 365 days a year lol. So besides my PCT, what else will help me hold on to gains?

By the time you buy nolva clomid what other crap, you could afford an 80 dollar bottle of test.
If you can't you might need a new job!

[gixxerboy1]

I forgot since you are older that means you are smarter...ahhh

well i am, but that's not the reason. But you seem to know everyone's health issues. What they took even with out ever knowing them.

[PaynESTER]

Everytime someone makes a post first thing you ask about is

PCT.

[gixxerboy1]

By the time you buy nolva clomid what other crap, you could afford an 80 dollar bottle of test.
If you can't you might need a new job!

staying on has consequences to it. Thats fine if you dont want to believe it. not everyone wants to compete, has the same lifestyle or wants the same results. Stop telling everyone to stay on all the time

[Judah]

By the time you buy nolva clomid what other crap, you could afford an 80 dollar bottle of test.
If you can't you might need a new job!

So your saying that 4 weeks of PCT using Clomid and Nolvadex is more expensive than staying on Test 365 days a year?

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

So your saying that 4 weeks of PCT using Clomid and Nolvadex is more expensive than staying on Test 365 days a year?

I'm trying to answer this question but because of the spam filter I can't... I'll try wording it differently

test e 250mg/ml costs *not a lot* at most if you have a half decent source, and that'll last 10 weeks. never seen nolva and clomid go for that low, even for just 4 weeks worth.

[PaynESTER]

So your saying that 4 weeks of PCT using Clomid and Nolvadex is more expensive than staying on Test 365 days a year?

Blasting and cruise yes.

10 weeks at 500mg 10 week cruise 250mg
That's nearly half a year.

No prices please..

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

You must live in some boonie ass places if you're paying *that much* for 10mls of test enth.

[Judah]

No prices please..