Did the TEST only cycles. What is next for me?

[luda281]

Done a couple of test cycles now. One with tbol. Never really acheived the results I wanted. I'm researching into my next cycle. Any suggestions?


29yo
5'7"
165lbs
9% bf
Lifting 6 years competitively


I'm hearing tren, primo, anavar..what do you guys think? Another test base but stack with something else?

[Bevsta123]

adding a kickstart? tren you need another 2-4 cycles under your belt.

but all honesty your 165lbs, it doesnt sound like you know how to diet? you could be 29 and able to use AAS but its all pointless without a propper diet.

Post up your diet on this thread and here: http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...RESOURCE-FORUM
the members will assist you, you may say and think you have a good diet but still just post it up cause im 10% bf and between 160-170lbs and gaining well due to my diet changed, only been lifting for a year at that.

[luda281]

Lol diet is not very good. It's just genetics. I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals. But I do try to cover as much protein, carbs, and calories as possible

[jasc]

I agree with above, your diet may need a re-work. Never hurts to check

As far as the cycle, what are your goals?

[Bevsta123]

Lol diet is not very good. It's just genetics. I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals. But I do try to cover as much protein, carbs, and calories as possible

honestly find it hard to believe you competed for 6 years then? like i said above post up your diet.

[luda281]

I did the 2nd with tbol from geneza. Just didn't feel that kick like I thought. What else is there?


I'm not looking to gain 20lbs. Just 5-10 lbs

[luda281]

honestly find it hard to believe you competed for 6 years then? like i said above post up your diet.

Not shows I meant just lifting competitively. Bodybuilding. I've lifted weights since high school

[BlueWaffle21]

I did the 2nd with tbol from geneza. Just didn't feel that kick like I thought. What else is there?


I'm not looking to gain 20lbs. Just 5-10 lbs

You can do this without steroids, talk to the nutrition gurus!!

[luda281]

I agree with above, your diet may need a re-work. Never hurts to check

As far as the cycle, what are your goals?

I've been told that im ready to do a an amateur show now. So I think I'm in pretty good shape. Not looking to gain 20lbs. Just 5-10 solid good weight

[luda281]

You can do this without steroids, talk to the nutrition gurus!!

Lol not for me. Trust me it's not as easy as it sounds. With my genetics sky rocket metabolism I can't gain 10lbs from eating. I use to be 125lbs. I know for others it's easy to gain weight but everyone in my family is skinny

[luda281]

But I will check out that nutrition thing

[Lunk1]

Detail your previous cycles and gains for me please.

[luda281]

Detail your previous cycles and gains for me please.

Started at about 135
got up to 145 naturally
Some phs got me into the 150s
Aas got me in the 160s test and test and tbol


So I've been maintaining gains

[Lunk1]

Started at about 135
got up to 145 naturally
Some phs got me into the 150s
Aas got me in the 160s test and test and tbol


So I've been maintaining gains

I mean deatil the tests cycles ie: doses, AI's PCT's specific gfains on each cycle if you know.

[kelkel]

Lol diet is not very good. It's just genetics. I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals. But I do try to cover as much protein, carbs, and calories as possible

What do you mean you can't eat a lot? Just because you have a fast metabolism and are probably ectomorphic in body type you can still improve your diet and make gains.

[luda281]

I mean deatil the tests cycles ie: doses, AI's PCT's specific gfains on each cycle if you know.

Cycle 1: test e 500mg only.10 weeks. Pct 4 weeks: nolvadex, test booster, formastanzol
Gains:6-7lbs

Cycle 2: 12 weeks test e 500mg + tbol 40mg + aromasin 12.5ed. Pct nolvadex, test booster
Gains: 9lbs

[luda281]

What do you mean you can't eat a lot? Just because you have a fast metabolism and are probably ectomorphic in body type you can still improve your diet and make gains.

With my line of work and schedule it's just difficult for me to eat when I want and what I want. I get in about 4-5 meals a day with a. Shake post workout. That's what I'm capable of.


So yes with this cycle I will improve diet to maximize gains. But 10lbs naturally I don't think it's possible for me
Unless its fat gains

[gixxerboy1]

if you cant eat more your wasting your time. You cant build muscle out of nothing. And if you eating as a 165lber you will stay at 165lb not matter what you take

i was threw college wrestling 119-125. i'm also 5'6 with good diet i got to 165lb naturally. And am close to 200 now. Its all diet

[luda281]

if you cant eat more your wasting your time. You cant build muscle out of nothing. And if you eating as a 165lber you will stay at 165lb not matter what you take

i was threw college wrestling 119-125. i'm also 5'6 with good diet i got to 165lb naturally. And am close to 200 now. Its all diet

I've been Eating like this since I was 135lb. trust me you can gain without eating a ton. You won't be huge but you can still gain. I do 0 cardio. None at all and I'm at 9%. Like I said I don't want to be 5'7" 200 lbs. that's not proportional to me.

[luda281]

I do this to have a great physique. I'm not doing it to be the biggest guy in the gym. Honestly 10lbs is the max I would want to gain. Are you really happy at 5'6" 200lbs? That's unhealthy and you're carrying a lot of unhealthy weight.


I know I don't eat like a 200 lber its because I don want to be 200lbs

[luda281]

Not trying to bash you bro just Saying I think you think I want to be yor size but that's note goal

[gixxerboy1]

No im not saying you want to be my size. But your not going to maintane 175 unless you east more.

And yes I'm happy at 200 and lean. And my wife likes juice heads

[Evrael]

I don't think most of the people on this forum are familiar with your situation. I'm assuming most of them juice to get HUGE and all eat tons a day in order to do so. I would agree that at 5'7, 175 is a good weight to shoot for if not trying to look like a monster. However if you are only eating 1500-2000 calories a day you might have a lot of trouble getting there. And if you DID get there, you would lose the gains with that diet after your cycle ended.

[JohnnyVegas]

I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals.

Lol not for me. Trust me it's not as easy as it sounds. With my genetics sky rocket metabolism I can't gain 10lbs from eating. I use to be 125lbs. I know for others it's easy to gain weight but everyone in my family is skinny

Confused. Which is it? Can you not make yourself eat enough food (post 1) or do you eat a ton of food but your metabolism makes it hard to gain (post 2)?

I am not giving you a hard time, just trying understand.

Regardless, the drugs will help you gain faster but they don't make you magically grow. Like gixxer said, you need to eat right in order for the body to have the building blocks it needs to build muscle.

Eating isn't about being hungry. It is about having a plan and sticking to it.

[luda281]

Confused. Which is it? Can you not make yourself eat enough food (post 1) or do you eat a ton of food but your metabolism makes it hard to gain (post 2)?

I am not giving you a hard time, just trying understand.

Regardless, the drugs will help you gain faster but they don't make you magically grow. Like gixxer said, you need to eat right in order for the body to have the building blocks it needs to build muscle.

Eating isn't about being hungry. It is about having a plan and sticking to it.

Both. I'm having issues getting enough food in and my metabolism
Is through the roof. Like I said how many guys do you know do ZERO cardio and at 9%? It's that bad so for me its a struggle to gain more size. Some guys will never look lean so they just keep
Bulking. Everyone has their disadvantages. Trust me, I try to eat on cycle. I'm
Not gonna waste my time and money. Just saying it could be better

[Capebuffalo]

honestly find it hard to believe you competed for 6 years then? like i said above post up your diet.

Let's try this again. List everything you ate yesterday. Bevsta

[luda281]

So does anyone at all have a suggestion on what I could try for my next cycle?

[Brohim]

500mg of test only got you 6lbs your gear is underdosed or something else is wrong.

[gixxerboy1]

500mg of test only got you 6lbs your gear is underdosed or something else is wrong.

Its his diet

[Brohim]

Its his diet

This seems to be the case. And no drugs will help a poor diet. If you have a superman metabolism you need to be eating every 2 hrs. and increase your cal's.

[luda281]

500mg of test only got you 6lbs your gear is underdosed or something else is wrong.

6lbs kept. Really? I'm 5'7" 160ish lbs. I'm not 200+ 6lbs goes a Long way for me. Again, I'm not trying to be some big bulky guy with soft muscles. I like to gain lean muscle.

[Capebuffalo]

Its his diet

Ding Ding Ding We have a winner Bob. Tell him what he's won.

Well he has won an all paid trip to the Nutrition section..

[luda281]

Seriously I dont understand. You guys talk about having forums to help people and call people your bros but noone ever seems to want to help. I mean do you guys have the perfect body, perfect workouts, and perfect diets? Am I missing something here? Obviously if I didn't gain from my previous cycles with an ok diet then I wouldn't be trying to cycle again lol.


I just don't uderstand it. I do two cycles a year. I'm not abusing. I'm sure some of you guy do 4-5 because people start depending on the "on" feel. But I'm not good enough to get help.


I'm asking a simple question. What's your opinion on a stack above just test e?

I mean if you guys dont think I deserve any suggestions then I completely understand. I'll just go somewhere else to ask for help. No hard feelings.

Seriously my diet is average. I'm prob show ready now but you guys put me down as if I'm some overweight noob. And in another thread you guys tell others to get their bf% down first but in mine you say get it up. Lol seems like some
Bros just don't want to help

[luda281]

If you want to see what my physique is like now message me and I'll send you a link

[luda281]

Ding Ding Ding We have a winner Bob. Tell him what he's won.

Well he has won an all paid trip to the Nutrition section..

Seriously judging by your pic, you're smaller than me. Your diet is obviously bad too . You look what? 5'9 160?Im assuming you have never cycled in your life becaus you're working on yor diet right? If you have cycled thenn you're obviously a hypocrit


How are you gonna sit there and tell me I shouldn't do another cycle and diet web you're skinnier than me? I mean are you telling me you like being thin? You can't be consuming more than 2500-3k a day

[Evrael]

The most effective way to gain is to bulk and then cut. It sounds like you're trying to skip the bulking and maintain a cut figure, which means that you will gain very slowly unless your diet is perfect. And based upon what you said, it's only ok. Sure bro throw the tren on and see what happens.

[gixxerboy1]

You got the proper response but don't like it. Take any and all the steroids you want. If you dont fix your diet. It will be meaningless.
An ok diet will only get you so far. Amd no offense but what kind of show do you think your ready for?

[luda281]

And gixxer, what's your bf? You can't be under 14-15% but you cycle right?

[gixxerboy1]

I bounce between 10 and 12 if i get to 14 15 my wife would call me fat

[luda281]

You got the proper response but don't like it. Take any and all the steroids you want. If you dont fix your diet. It will be meaningless.
An ok diet will only get you so far. Amd no offense but what kind of show do you think your ready for?

I don't think I'm ready for any shows. It's the bodybuilders at my gym who said I can win my class now at an amateur show in Texas.

I've leaned bulked from day one and it's worked for me. That's why I stick With it. Some ppl bulk then cut but it's not soemthing for me as of right now. One day my metabolism will slow down and I will go thy route but it's pretty hard right now