first one for me

[tuesdaysgone]

Yes I'm a newbie and I've done some research, maybe not as much as I should have, but be easy on me.

I've been tinkering with starting for the past year or two. I have 4 "brothers" that use/have used. I've done a lot of research on it and I know about my diet. but yet I"m a newbie to these and I'm gonna be starting soon and I'm the stubborn type, well "impatient" is better put.

So by a member of the military and a brother of mine, here is what's been suggested to me.
(I'm 28, 140 and about 5'9", I've always been small and I could eat a horse literally. In the past I haven't had much problem gaining 20 pounds while working out and eating right, approx 2500-3000 calories a day. I've never been over 150. I would like to reach 160-180 pounds.)

8 week cycle

Dina-Bol
Sustanon(sp?)
Deca shots:
one a week for week 1 and 2
two a week for weeks 3 -7
and one the last week

take a break

I haven't been working out lately, but have started and once I get into something I get heavily into it, meaning I'll be doing heavy excercise including cardio, and proper nutrition, etc.

My question is, to you pros, does this seem ridiculous? My heart is set and it's gonna be hard to change my mind. I have accepted the sides and what not. I'm just ready to see results

[breakbones]

Is this your first cycle?

[tuesdaysgone]

Is this your first cycle?

yes and damn yall are fast.

[Big]

{sigh}
5'9" and 140lbs, your diet is to blame...

[tuesdaysgone]

{sigh}
5'9" and 140lbs, your diet is to blame...

I think it's more along the lines of my metabolism. My father was scrawny. Again I haven't been lifting for a while, but getting back into it.

[mkrulic]

I think it's more along the lines of my metabolism. My father was scrawny. Again I haven't been lifting for a while, but getting back into it.

no. If you take in more then you spend you will gain weight. what body type are you?

[G4R]

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

^^^This is where I would start if I were you. Worry about the gear later.

[Big]

I think it's more along the lines of my metabolism. My father was scrawny. Again I haven't been lifting for a while, but getting back into it.

as stated, if I say your diet is to blame for your size, it is not a valid argument for you to say that it's not your diet it's your metabolism. Your metabolism must be taken into account when constructing your diet. If you plan to take your car on a long trip, put 5 gallons of gas in the car, then run out, is it your fault for not putting enough fuel in, or your car's fault for burning too much fuel? Your body is a machine and you must adequately fuel your machine to provide growth.

[tuesdaysgone]

as stated, if I say your diet is to blame for your size, it is not a valid argument for you to say that it's not your diet it's your metabolism. Your metabolism must be taken into account when constructing your diet. If you plan to take your car on a long trip, put 5 gallons of gas in the car, then run out, is it your fault for not putting enough fuel in, or your car's fault for burning too much fuel? Your body is a machine and you must adequately fuel your machine to provide growth.

very well put.

[tuesdaysgone]

I have not lifted weights or eaten properly in sometime. I know my diet is out of whack. I know how to get it on track, I just haven't done it. Within the past week, I've had thought heavily on my figure and told myself it's time to start eating right and working out. My current "diet" is by no means what it should be, so don't think that I think I've been eating ok, I know my intake is horribly low, but I'm changing that as we speak.

I can work out even on the road, no prob. Biggest prob of being on the road is the diet, but It's doable. I have every night to work out. It's just from 6 am till 6 or 7 pm, I'm loaded no time to spare.


Back on the previous subject of AAS,

Deca:
week 1 = 1ml
weeks 3-7 = 2ml
week 8 = 1ml

Dbol 3 a day for 8 weeks

Sust
1 bottle for first 2 weeks
2 for weeks 3-7
1 for week 8

[mkrulic]

write it out like this for better responses:
age
bf%
cycle exp.
then
weeks 1-8
500mg sust/week
300mg deca/week
40mg dbol/ed
or whatever you had in mind

[tuesdaysgone]

write it out like this for better responses:
age
bf%
cycle exp.
then
weeks 1-8
500mg sust/week
300mg deca/week
40mg dbol/ed
or whatever you had in mind

Thank You.

I'm not sure on exacts of mg, just listening to advice from buddies, but I seem to remember 2 mg per pound, correct? so 300mg per 150 lbs, per week of Deca?

I believe we would stop the sust, or maybe the dbol a week before stopping deca.

[mkrulic]

Thank You.

I'm not sure on exacts of mg, just listening to advice from buddies, but I seem to remember 2 mg per pound, correct? so 300mg per 150 lbs, per week of Deca?

I believe we would stop the sust, or maybe the dbol a week before stopping deca.

why are you taking the deca? what are your goals w/ this cycle? age?

[tuesdaysgone]

why are you taking the deca? what are your goals w/ this cycle? age?

this is what's been reccommended to me, I'm just doing the research. I want large, quick gains and CUT. Hell isn't that what everyone wants?

Again this is just what I've been told would be best for my situation by someone I trust with my life.

[breakbones]

Your better of hitting the diet sections, that's the best and only thing that is creating you harm in your gains. And this is something you may be lacking when you think your not

[warchild]

bad bad bad bad idea

[tuesdaysgone]

bad bad bad bad idea

elaborate please.

[tuesdaysgone]

see that's the thing guys, I know about the diet, I just HAVE NOT been attempting to keep it where it should be. Yes I agree my diet will change dramatically. I've lifted in the past and gained considerable amount of weight, 20 lbs, just by a very strong diet and hitting the gym. So I understand where my diet needs to be. but when i got where I was, I wasn't completely happy. I want better, larger, more noticeable gains.

Let me put it this way, for the past 3 or 4 years I've been a lazy ass. My life damn near revolves around work and I"ve had no momentum. I do now, and it's time to get serious. I know the diet. I will do the diet correctly, but I want the gear as well.

[one8nine]

Yes I'm a newbie and I've done some research, maybe not as much as I should have, but be easy on me.

I've been tinkering with starting for the past year or two. I have 4 "brothers" that use/have used. I've done a lot of research on it and I know about my diet. but yet I"m a newbie to these and I'm gonna be starting soon and I'm the stubborn type, well "impatient" is better put.

So by a member of the military and a brother of mine, here is what's been suggested to me.
(I'm 28, 140 and about 5'9", I've always been small and I could eat a horse literally. In the past I haven't had much problem gaining 20 pounds while working out and eating right, approx 2500-3000 calories a day. I've never been over 150. I would like to reach 160-180 pounds.)

8 week cycle

Dina-Bol
Sustanon(sp?)
Deca shots:
one a week for week 1 and 2
two a week for weeks 3 -7
and one the last week

take a break

I haven't been working out lately, but have started and once I get into something I get heavily into it, meaning I'll be doing heavy excercise including cardio, and proper nutrition, etc.

My question is, to you pros, does this seem ridiculous? My heart is set and it's gonna be hard to change my mind. I have accepted the sides and what not. I'm just ready to see results

by chance... brothers... dreamer? julio?

[tuesdaysgone]

by chance... brothers... dreamer? julio?

I don't know that they're on here, 3 of them I know for sure are not. The "brother" actually ex brother in law is member of army and has had his share. And I bout shit when I seen him first time after, then on I knew what I wanted.

[one8nine]

I don't know that they're on here, 3 of them I know for sure are not. The "brother" actually ex brother in law is member of army and has had his share. And I bout shit when I seen him first time after, then on I knew what I wanted.

oh i know 4 people in the military that call each other brothers that actually introduced me to this site thats why i guessed

[warchild]

yikes man...you dont need AAS. try lifting w/o a break and eating

[10nispro]

Lets see an example of a days eating.

[tuesdaysgone]

Lets see an example of a days eating.

ok I'm sure to get flamed but you have to understand I don't work at home.
so a typical day's meals is say:
breakfast:
nada or granola bar, lol

lunch:

buffet or fast food

dinner:
restraunt, whatever

I always try to keep the protein up, chicken/turkey/tuna, etc.

[warchild]

ok I'm sure to get flamed but you have to understand I don't work at home.
so a typical day's meals is say:
breakfast:
nada or granola bar, lol

lunch:

buffet or fast food

dinner:
restraunt, whatever

I always try to keep the protein up, chicken/turkey/tuna, etc.

i thought you knew how to diet?

[one8nine]

ok I'm sure to get flamed but you have to understand I don't work at home.
so a typical day's meals is say:
breakfast:
nada or granola bar, lol

lunch:

buffet or fast food

dinner:
restraunt, whatever

I always try to keep the protein up, chicken/turkey/tuna, etc.

i eat that for breakfast

thats 1500kcals if you are lucky

you need 4-6 meals plus some post workout shake

please read this link, please

diet
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

[Southernillinois]

ok I'm sure to get flamed but you have to understand I don't work at home.
so a typical day's meals is say:
breakfast:
nada or granola bar, lol

lunch:

buffet or fast food

dinner:
restraunt, whatever

I always try to keep the protein up, chicken/turkey/tuna, etc.

Wow man, i dont think i would be able to function eating that little in one day. for one bump up some carbs in the morning keep your granola bar for a snack later on. get some oats and eggs in the morning. Your need to have 6 to seven meals throughout the day not just the three. buffet/fast food , if you want your fast food wait till immediately after your workout and get a grilled chicked on white bread from mcdonalds and a small ice cream cone for some quick carbs. grilled chicken, tuna, atlantic samon, some 1oz sirloin, cottage cheese before bed...etc. these all need to be in your menu. If you want send me a private message and i'll give you a sample diet of mine for a day cause i've already taken up a shit load of space. You start eatin like 85% of the people on this site do- i guarantee you hit 180 without any gear what so ever!

[tuesdaysgone]

Wow man, i dont think i would be able to function eating that little in one day. for one bump up some carbs in the morning keep your granola bar for a snack later on. get some oats and eggs in the morning. Your need to have 6 to seven meals throughout the day not just the three. buffet/fast food , if you want your fast food wait till immediately after your workout and get a grilled chicked on white bread from mcdonalds and a small ice cream cone for some quick carbs. grilled chicken, tuna, atlantic samon, some 1oz sirloin, cottage cheese before bed...etc. these all need to be in your menu. If you want send me a private message and i'll give you a sample diet of mine for a day cause i've already taken up a shit load of space. You start eatin like 85% of the people on this site do- i guarantee you hit 180 without any gear what so ever!

sending pm.

I work on the road, away from home. My diet lacks PARTIALLY because of this, 10+ hours a day at work and a very busy hectic work routine, so I haven't had much time in the day to even take a piss. And it makes it harder moving around so much from one side of the U.S. to the other so often to keep well stocked and planned. A lot of times there is no option other than eating out whether it's fast food or a healthy restraunt. But I know this is no excuse just trying to further my self here. Thanks.

[warchild]

sending pm.

I work on the road, away from home. My diet lacks PARTIALLY because of this, 10+ hours a day at work and a very busy hectic work routine, so I haven't had much time in the day to even take a piss. And it makes it harder moving around so much from one side of the U.S. to the other so often to keep well stocked and planned. A lot of times there is no option other than eating out whether it's fast food or a healthy restraunt. But I know this is no excuse just trying to further my self here. Thanks.

how are you going to workout? or make your food?

[tuesdaysgone]

Wow man, i dont think i would be able to function eating that little in one day. for one bump up some carbs in the morning keep your granola bar for a snack later on. get some oats and eggs in the morning. Your need to have 6 to seven meals throughout the day not just the three. buffet/fast food , if you want your fast food wait till immediately after your workout and get a grilled chicked on white bread from mcdonalds and a small ice cream cone for some quick carbs. grilled chicken, tuna, atlantic samon, some 1oz sirloin, cottage cheese before bed...etc. these all need to be in your menu. If you want send me a private message and i'll give you a sample diet of mine for a day cause i've already taken up a shit load of space. You start eatin like 85% of the people on this site do- i guarantee you hit 180 without any gear what so ever!

tried pm'ing, wont allow me to.

[Southernillinois]

sorry bro my profile is still messed up, AND SORRY FOR POSTING THIS IN THIS THREAD INSTEAD OF DIET/NUTRITION i just joined this site as a recom. from one of my friends from another site so i haven't been completely updated yet. I understand its hard to keep a good diet when your busy all the time. I graduated from college a couple months ago and along with full time school and full time work i never had time to sit and eat. When i would get home at night i would make my meals that needed cooking the nights before. i'll give you a sample on here - i'm not a dietician so some guys may want to attack my diet which is fine, opinions are welcome but here ya go:
Breakfast: 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1c cooked oatmeal

morning snack (10am ish): 1 can tuna on 2 slices of whole wheat or whey protein shake and banana

Lunch: Large Chicken breast (cook night before) w/ cup of cooked mixed vegetables, I'll add a sweet potatoe for good fiber from time to time but when your pressed for time thats kinda hard to do alot

midday snack: anything with good protein cottage cheese and pineapple/ protein shake and banana or apple or grapes ...etc.

preworkout: 2 scoops whey protein and fruit

postworkout: 2 scoops whey protein and fruit, peanut butter and jelly on white (white bread for quick carbs)

Dinner: Top sirloin steak (any trim meat will do such as fish or fillet as well), sweet potatoe and cup of mixed vegetables

Bedtime snack: 1 cup cottage cheese and fruit if you want

eating like this is time consuming and expensive but the gains are well worth it. This is a medium level calorie day at only about 3,400 kcal. protein is about 350ish so this would be perfect for you since your only 140lbs and should get 2 - 2.5 g protein per lb of body wt. also don't drink your calories!!!! water water water! i modify my diet from day to day because i find it too hard and boring to follow an extremely strict diet but i try to keep it as close to perfect as i can. If you find it too hard allow yourself a cheat day but don't go crazy and remember moderation! I've taken up too much of this page so if you have any questions i've subscribed to this thread to just let me know

[tuesdaysgone]

Hey 189, I noticed your avatar when i first found this, me likes. But I just noticed the title under your screename. May I ask why?

[one8nine]

Hey 189, I noticed your avatar when i first found this, me likes. But I just noticed the title under your screename. May I ask why?

sust sucks
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352930

[warchild]

[QUOTE=tuesdaysgone;4120674]Yes I'm a newbie and I've done some research, maybe not as much as I should have, but be easy on me.

I've been tinkering with starting for the past year or two. I have 4 "brothers" that use/have used. I've done a lot of research on it and I know about my diet. but yet I"m a newbie to these and I'm gonna be starting soon and I'm the stubborn type, well "impatient" is better put.

So by a member of the military and a brother of mine, here is what's been suggested to me.
(I'm 28, 140 and about 5'9", I've always been small and I could eat a horse literally. In the past I haven't had much problem gaining 20 pounds while working out and eating right, approx 2500-3000 calories a day. I've never been over 150. I would like to reach 160-180 pounds.)

8 week cycle

Dina-Bol
Sustanon(sp?)
Deca shots:
one a week for week 1 and 2
two a week for weeks 3 -7
and one the last week

take a break

I haven't been working out lately,

[warchild]

enough said. how old are you like 15????

[tuesdaysgone]

enough said. how old are you like 15????

nuff said bout what, NO I'M 28 thanks for the degrade ass.

[warchild]

nuff said bout what, NO I'M 28 thanks for the degrade ass.

there is NO flaming here, do some research before BIG sends you on your way!

[one8nine]

I know about my diet.

describe your diet in detail

8 week cycle

Dina-Bol
Sustanon(sp?)
Deca shots:
one a week for week 1 and 2
two a week for weeks 3 -7
and one the last week

take a break

how much dbol? and for how long?
sustanon is a terrible terrible cycle choice, period
deca is 2x a week, every week
these are way too many componds to start with anyway, plus sustanon sucks.
also you need to learn how to eat correctly, which you obviously dont know at 140- i dont want metabolism excuses i have a fast one too

I haven't been working out lately, but have started and once I get into something I get heavily into it, meaning I'll be doing heavy excercise including cardio, and proper nutrition, etc.

My question is, to you pros, does this seem ridiculous? My heart is set and it's gonna be hard to change my mind. I have accepted the sides and what not. I'm just ready to see results

i dont think youll see much result on this bad cycle with a bad diet. also you dont just "take a break" you need pct.
my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[tuesdaysgone]

describe your diet in detail

how much dbol? and for how long?
sustanon is a terrible terrible cycle choice, period
deca is 2x a week, every week
these are way too many componds to start with anyway, plus sustanon sucks.
also you need to learn how to eat correctly, which you obviously dont know at 140- i dont want metabolism excuses i have a fast one too


i dont think youll see much result on this bad cycle with a bad diet. also you dont just "take a break" you need pct.
my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

I understand the diet concept fellas, I really do.
5-7 meals a day
Let's say 4000+ calories
large amounts of protein and the proper carbs, minimal sugars and fats, no soda poppies, etc.
I am improving my diet as we speak. I'm an impatient person by nature and am very concious about myself and my weight, and I want to go large. I WILL NOT take the meds and squat on the diet or excercise, that would be pointless.

[tuesdaysgone]

In the past................
bfast:
banana
apple
toast
and whatever else

brunch:

tuna or pbj 2 large servings

lunch:
turkey, chicken, veggies, and chicken

snacker:
breads, tunas chicken, tuna

dinner: was the biggie

larger amount of proteins whether chicken/turkey/tuna,pb

Before and after each workout I'd have a shake, usually a choclate Hulk, from and/or power bars.
My everday goal was 3k calories and I forget the amounts of proteins and carbs, but it was up there.
I took creatine supps and whey protein as well.