IFBB pros may think different about drugs

[GearHeaded]

this short video just goes to show that IFBB pros often times think quite differently about steroids and whats strong and whats weak, or whats a bulking drug or not, compared to your average gym rats and forum warriors.




and to think , some guys say that primo is super weak and EQ shouldn't even be a bodybuilding drug

[MuscleScience]

It’s hard to argue with any of his points especially when you consider how hard it is now to get real pharma drugs.

[BG]

I “went in” on an order with someone years ago and was very surprised with what he got and how he ran it. Primo was my favorite just after a while every cycle took its toll on my hair. Great drug if real........add some dbol and magic happens.

[GearHeaded]

I “went in” on an order with someone years ago and was very surprised with what he got and how he ran it. Primo was my favorite just after a while every cycle took its toll on my hair. Great drug if real........add some dbol and magic happens.

I used to get Primo prescribed to me from an anti-aging clinic and so it came from a pharmacy .. one of my favorite compounds to just cruise on and run solo. it does the job and you feel great and can't even tell that your on (in regards to negative sides, headaches, bp, etc). Unfortunately I was paying around 350 a bottle , so yeah you can imagine I didn't cruise long. I've ran several UGL Primo but never have ran them solo, always stacked with like 4 other compounds so have no real idea how it compares mg per mg to the pharma primo.

[BG]

I used to get Primo prescribed to me from an anti-aging clinic and so it came from a pharmacy .. one of my favorite compounds to just cruise on and run solo. it does the job and you feel great and can't even tell that your on (in regards to negative sides, headaches, bp, etc). Unfortunately I was paying around 350 a bottle , so yeah you can imagine I didn't cruise long. I've ran several UGL Primo but never have ran them solo, always stacked with like 4 other compounds so have no real idea how it compares mg per mg to the pharma primo.

Yes it was expensive to run but worth it. It was the best secondary compound by far, taken all things into consideration, you could go any direction with it. You can run it to cut or bulk, adjust your diet and add a third compound to compliment which goal you wanted to achieve. My biggest, Im not talking weight, just straight jacked I was on test-e,GH, primo and drol. I would add the drol at week 10 for 4 weeks. I know many will say it was the gh.....I ran gh with every cycle so I could tell what was doing what........test-e/GH was my base for every cycle. On top of that, adding a dht to every cycle is a must, kind of a lost thing, was big years ago, you have to have a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. Thats why Im 100% against "jump starting" a cycle with orals, stupidest thing you could do is drop your ratio once your injectibles are at full strength........add the oral in at week 7-8 when your long ester blood levels just peak.

The pro cycle that my friend was running used this, but he cycled out many orals, 4 weeks of winny, 4 weeks of drol, 4 weeks of dbol along with a very nice base of injectibles........funny thing was Piana spoke about this all the time, people would shit on him but always ask "what do pro cycles look like" and he was spelling it out for them the whole time.

Every since ORD and the big raw bust I really never responded to tren like I did 05'-08'.........the raws (ugl's) were never the same, I dont care what anybody says, Ive ran UGL that was out of this world, but G.Bush Jr. crushed that, what people are getting today is garbage.

[GearHeaded]

you have to have a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. .

so true. this is where many guys go wrong when putting together a stack. they totally miss this point and simply stack drugs they want to try, with no rhyme or reason as to 'ratio' .
I would just add in "estrogenic" ratio as a factor along with the anabolic/androgenic to consider as well.

[BG]

I used to get Primo prescribed to me from an anti-aging clinic and so it came from a pharmacy .. one of my favorite compounds to just cruise on and run solo. it does the job and you feel great and can't even tell that your on (in regards to negative sides, headaches, bp, etc). Unfortunately I was paying around 350 a bottle , so yeah you can imagine I didn't cruise long. I've ran several UGL Primo but never have ran them solo, always stacked with like 4 other compounds so have no real idea how it compares mg per mg to the pharma primo.

Yes it was expensive to run but worth it. It was the best secondary compound by far, taken all things into consideration, you could go any direction with it. You can run it to cut or bulk, adjust your diet and add a third compound to compliment which goal you wanted to achieve. My biggest, Im not talking weight, just straight jacked I was on test-e,GH, primo and drol. I would add the drol at week 10 for 4 weeks. I know many will say it was the gh.....I ran gh with every cycle so I could tell what was doing what........test-e/GH was my base for every cycle. On top of that, adding a dht to every cycle is a must, kind of a lost thing, was big years ago, you have to have a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. Thats why Im 100% against "jump starting" a cycle with orals, stupidest thing you could do is drop your ratio once your injectibles are at full strength........add the oral in at week 7-8 when your long ester blood levels just peak.

The pro cycle that my friend was running used this, but he cycled out many orals, 4 weeks of winny, 4 weeks of drol, 4 weeks of dbol along with a very nice base of injectibles........funny thing was Piana spoke about this all the time, people would shit on him but always ask "what do pro cycles look like" and he was spelling it out for them the whole time.

[Couchlockd]

Awesome video.

[Capebuffalo]

Waiting for part 2

[Obs]

I like it but good lord I need to set this guy up with a source.
I have never ran primo but hear it is often faked because of price as well as anavar but I have never had underdosed deca. This one I know for certain because I run it low dose. When I am not on it my RA takes over.

Balkan and pcom are not underdosed ever.
I have never ran EQ but I think this guy is outdated on sorces today. They compete or get screwed.

AEL fell into one batch of underdosed raws on their test and now they are a no name. They had a huge reputation and it went to shit in about a month.

I am very eager to run some pcom primo and bold.

[Couchlockd]

I like it but good lord I need to set this guy up with a source.
I have never ran primo but hear it is often faked because of price as well as anavar but I have never had underdosed deca. This one I know for certain because I run it low dose. When I am not on it my RA takes over.

Balkan and pcom are not underdosed ever.
I have never ran EQ but I think this guy is outdated on sorces today. They compete or get screwed.

AEL fell into one batch of underdosed raws on their test and now they are a no name. They had a huge reputation and it went to shit in about a month.

I am very eager to run some pcom primo and bold.

Me too. I Soo want to try EQ.

[Capebuffalo]

Me too. I Soo want to try EQ.

I never had success with it. And I know it was good. It just never did for me what others raved about.

[kelkel]

Just starting to watch it but cracked up at his line "Tren should only be run 4-6 weeks, maybe 7 if you're fat."

[Obs]

Just starting to watch it but cracked up at his line "Tren should only be run 4-6 weeks, maybe 7 if you're fat."

I been on tren since april.
I scoffed and said "what a dick". Lol

[charger69]

Just starting to watch it but cracked up at his line "Tren should only be run 4-6 weeks, maybe 7 if you're fat."

It got a laugh out of me too!


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[GearHeaded]

Just starting to watch it but cracked up at his line "Tren should only be run 4-6 weeks, maybe 7 if you're fat."

got a laugh out of that as well..

think he was picking shit with people who are in the middle of contest prep and they are not near as in shape say 8 weeks out as they need to be (ie, they are fat) , and so they are going to need to run Tren longer then someone who is in prep and is on schedule

[German89]

this short video just goes to show that IFBB pros often times think quite differently about steroids and whats strong and whats weak, or whats a bulking drug or not, compared to your average gym rats and forum warriors.




and to think , some guys say that primo is super weak and EQ shouldn't even be a bodybuilding drug

Thanks for posting this. Someone on IG posted this and, meant to save it so i could watch it.

[kelkel]

Who is he btw. I don't recognize him.

[GearHeaded]

Who is he btw. I don't recognize him.

Nick Trigili , he's a no longer competing IFBB pro. 2014 Mr USA.

just a side note - personally I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say and he is very weak when it comes to the 'science' aspect of bodybuilding.. but I find his real life practical insights useful

[kelkel]

Nick Trigili , he's a no longer competing IFBB pro. 2014 Mr USA.

just a side note - personally I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say and he is very weak when it comes to the 'science' aspect of bodybuilding.. but I find his real life practical insights useful

I remember the name for sure. Thanks.

[BG]

Im trying to find some of the better reads from a few of whom I thought were the smartest guys we had here back in the days, but for now Ill just post their thoughts on best cycles.

Primo 200 mg ED
Winstrol 200 mg ED
Test-E 125 mg ED
Tren-E 100 mg ED

*shaves head.. and prepares to grow*

If money was not an option

Tren 200mg ED
Primo (GASP!!!!) 200mg ED
1-test 100mg ED
Masteron 100mg ED
Winny 100mg ED

As to your original question, that for which the thread was started, i believe in synergistic stacking: That which takes into account not only the 'different families' of AAS.. but also the individual's body composition/body type (somatotype); natural hormone levels; predispositions (for sides; gynaeco; MPB etc.)

For me, tho i will may again list my cycles online i will state however that, i run dht-based cycles: 1-2 dht-based compounds (because i respond better to DHT) + TRT + a majorly anabolic compound

...maybe a non-androgen-based anabolic as well

e.g.

Weeks 1-16 masteron (prop ester) 100 mg ED
Weeks 1-8; 9-16 Winstrol 100 mg ED
Weeks 1-10 test-prop 50 mg ED
Weeks 1-10 tren-ace 100 mg ED
Weeks 1-22** Insulin pwo 10 IUs

** Insulin use extends to PCT (insulin being the non-androgen-derived anabolic as mentioned above)

Narkissos

Ill try to find where they explained ratio's and importance of a dht when it came to cycling.

[MuscleScience]

Im trying to find some of the better reads from a few of whom I thought were the smartest guys we had here back in the days, but for now Ill just post their thoughts on best cycles.








Ill try to find where they explained ratio's and importance of a dht when it came to cycling.

Nark knew what he was doing, he still around the boards anywhere?

[BG]

Nark knew what he was doing, he still around the boards anywhere?

Havent seen him in a while I think last year he popped in quick. So smart guy regardless of the subject, used to love to here debate politics, life, anything....he and Anthony used to have some incredible conversations.

Anthony
Nark
Bajan
Merc

Super smart guys.

[MuscleScience]

Havent seen him in a while I think last year he popped in quick. So smart guy regardless of the subject, used to love to here debate politics, life, anything....he and Anthony used to have some incredible conversations.

Anthony
Nark
Bajan
Merc

Super smart guys.

Yes indeed, Nark was a good dude to just converse with. I use to visit his board a lot and give him and Booz something to talk about.

I remember the whole Anthony C thing like it was yesterday. Wonder what he’s up to now?

[Narkissos]

Nark knew what he was doing, he still around the boards anywhere?

*waves*

[MuscleScience]

*waves*

Glad your back, I missed how elegant you’re writing style is. Writing is a lost art...

[Narkissos]

On top of that, adding a dht to every cycle is a must, kind of a lost thing, was big years ago, you have to have a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. Thats why Im 100% against "jump starting" a cycle with orals, stupidest thing you could do is drop your ratio once your injectibles are at full strength........add the oral in at week 7-8 when your long ester blood levels just peak.

YUP

Every since ORD and the big raw bust I really never responded to tren like I did 05'-08'.........the raws (ugl's) were never the same, I dont care what anybody says, Ive ran UGL that was out of this world, but G.Bush Jr. crushed that, what people are getting today is garbage.

SO true.

Im trying to find some of the better reads from a few of whom I thought were the smartest guys we had here back in the days, but for now Ill just post their thoughts on best cycles.








Ill try to find where they explained ratio's and importance of a dht when it came to cycling.

MAN... you dug up some gems!!

[BG]

YUP
SO true.
MAN... you dug up some gems!!

Hey brother! Hope all is well! Those were the days, you guys were pioneers, between the bunch of you our cycles were second to none. Appreciate it.

[Windex]

Some interesting points/ideas with a sprinkling of broscience.

It sounds like he hates Tren, would be curious as to why.

Always nice to hear pros talk about reasonable dosages. The misconception that every single pro is on these unfathomable dosages is so silly.

[GearHeaded]

Some interesting points/ideas with a sprinkling of broscience.

It sounds like he hates Tren, would be curious as to why.

Always nice to hear pros talk about reasonable dosages. The misconception that every single pro is on these unfathomable dosages is so silly.

yeah I think he is coming across a little hypocritical there with the Tren comments .. guarantee you that all his male contest prep clients he has them running Tren.
I just don't think he likes it for the off season, or doesn't really see a valid off season use for it (I disagree).

[MuscleScience]

yeah I think he is coming across a little hypocritical there with the Tren comments .. guarantee you that all his male contest prep clients he has them running Tren.
I just don't think he likes it for the off season, or doesn't really see a valid off season use for it (I disagree).

After reading A LOT of the animal studies on Tren, i see no reason to ever not use it.

[GearHeaded]

Always nice to hear pros talk about reasonable dosages. The misconception that every single pro is on these unfathomable dosages is so silly.

plenty of guys like Nick talk one way to their social media audience (knowing that 16 year old kids are following) and talk another way behind closed doors.

I would take the 'low doses' talk in this video with a grain of salt, especially considering he knows he is talking directly to kids. ALSO, I've listened to Nick talking to other pros on podcastw and heard him talk about high dosages and him injecting himself up to a dozen times on a daily basis (500mg of gear a week, like he speaks of in this video, could get done with 2 injections easy ,, not a dozen).

Ever seen any of Chad Nicholls protocols, and your know plenty of pros were/are running 5-8ML of gear per day.

Nick here talks about 100mg a week of Primo . ok thats great. but Jordan Peters just talked about his current cycle (a couple months back) running 1000mg of Primo . big difference between two pro bodybuilders both 280+ pounds and one runs 100mg and another 10x that amount.

low dosages are just fine and here to stay . but high dosages have their place as well and plenty of guys run those .. to each their own.

but yeah, you can't blanket statement say "well pros run really high dosages" , and you can't blanket say that "well pros are genetically gifted and only run low dosages" . they are all different just like us

[MuscleScience]

plenty of guys like Nick talk one way to their social media audience (knowing that 16 year old kids are following) and talk another way behind closed doors.

I would take the 'low doses' talk in this video with a grain of salt, especially considering he knows he is talking directly to kids. ALSO, I've listened to Nick talking to other pros on podcastw and heard him talk about high dosages and him injecting himself up to a dozen times on a daily basis (500mg of gear a week, like he speaks of in this video, could get done with 2 injections easy ,, not a dozen).

Ever seen any of Chad Nicholls protocols, and your know plenty of pros were/are running 5-8ML of gear per day.

Nick here talks about 100mg a week of Primo . ok thats great. but Jordan Peters just talked about his current cycle (a couple months back) running 1000mg of Primo . big difference between two pro bodybuilders both 280+ pounds and one runs 100mg and another 10x that amount.

low dosages are just fine and here to stay . but high dosages have their place as well and plenty of guys run those .. to each their own.

but yeah, you can't blanket statement say "well pros run really high dosages" , and you can't blanket say that "well pros are genetically gifted and only run low dosages" . they are all different just like us

Do you think he is referring to having to run UGL gear at much higher dosages vs pharma gear though? With regards to high dosages.

[GearHeaded]

Do you think he is referring to having to run UGL gear at much higher dosages vs pharma gear though? With regards to high dosages.

the thing is there were guys before Nicks day that would run plenty of high dosages and that was before there was even such a thing as a UGL and all they had was Pharma gear. the idea of running high dosages is nothing new really

[MuscleScience]

the thing is there were guys before Nicks day that would run plenty of high dosages and that was before there was even such a thing as a UGL and all they had was Pharma gear. the idea of running high dosages is nothing new really

No, I get that. I mean say back in the day 100mg of Primo pharm grade would be equivalent to how many MG’s of the average UGL primo?

[Windex]

plenty of guys like Nick talk one way to their social media audience (knowing that 16 year old kids are following) and talk another way behind closed doors.

I would take the 'low doses' talk in this video with a grain of salt, especially considering he knows he is talking directly to kids. ALSO, I've listened to Nick talking to other pros on podcastw and heard him talk about high dosages and him injecting himself up to a dozen times on a daily basis (500mg of gear a week, like he speaks of in this video, could get done with 2 injections easy ,, not a dozen).

Ever seen any of Chad Nicholls protocols, and your know plenty of pros were/are running 5-8ML of gear per day.

Nick here talks about 100mg a week of Primo . ok thats great. but Jordan Peters just talked about his current cycle (a couple months back) running 1000mg of Primo . big difference between two pro bodybuilders both 280+ pounds and one runs 100mg and another 10x that amount.

low dosages are just fine and here to stay . but high dosages have their place as well and plenty of guys run those .. to each their own.

but yeah, you can't blanket statement say "well pros run really high dosages" , and you can't blanket say that "well pros are genetically gifted and only run low dosages" . they are all different just like us

I believe Yates & Efferding when they openly admitted to their largest cycles being 1500mg of gear + HGH

[GearHeaded]

I believe Yates & Efferding when they openly admitted to their largest cycles being 1500mg of gear + HGH

absolutely . no reason not to believe them .. but I also believe Craig Titus when he was running a full bottle of test per DAY

[kelkel]

He's also on point about how joints feel when coming off low dose deca. I rarely come off low dose deca alongside my TRT but did recently and damn, it sucks.

[Obs]

He's also on point about how joints feel when coming off low dose deca. I rarely come off low dose deca alongside my TRT but did recently and damn, it sucks.

Ya. My hands seize and my elbows

[Windex]

He's also on point about how joints feel when coming off low dose deca. I rarely come off low dose deca alongside my TRT but did recently and damn, it sucks.

Canada doesn't offer Nandrolone anymore, trying to finagle my doctor for a script though since pharmacy can still order from USA. Something like $150ish for a 2ml 100mg/mL vial. RIP.