Bush: Inaction on FISA endangers US

[Logan13]

Anyone who thinks that telecoms should not be held liable for breaking the law, is living in a dream world. I said it, and I'll defend that position. If they truely have not broken the law, then let them have their day in court and prove it beyond all reasonable doubt. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Your ambulance chasing friends(John Edwards) would love that. I do not think that you have a grasp on the FISA bill. Do you not know that this has been around for the last 25 years in one form or another?

[thegodfather]

Your ambulance chasing friends(John Edwards) would love that. I do not think that you have a grasp on the FISA bill. Do you not know that this has been around for the last 25 years in one form or another?

I've read the bill itself, thank you. I'm well aware its been around since the 70s. However, it required a warrant from the secret FISA court. It also did not grant immunity to telecom companys for allowing the NSA to have a f**king free for all with every piece of electronic communication in the country, without having to abide by due process of law and obtain warrants in FISA court for each individual "suspect." Instead, it treated all 350,000,000 Americans who decided to make a phone call, instant message, e-mail, fax, text message, and any other concievable piece of electronic transmission as a suspect.

[soulstealer]

I've read the bill itself, thank you. I'm well aware its been around since the 70s. However, it required a warrant from the secret FISA court. It also did not grant immunity to telecom companys for allowing the NSA to have a f**king free for all with every piece of electronic communication in the country, without having to abide by due process of law and obtain warrants in FISA court for each individual "suspect." Instead, it treated all 350,000,000 Americans who decided to make a phone call, instant message, e-mail, fax, text message, and any other concievable piece of electronic transmission as a suspect.

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[Logan13]

I've read the bill itself, thank you. I'm well aware its been around since the 70s. However, it required a warrant from the secret FISA court. It also did not grant immunity to telecom companys for allowing the NSA to have a f**king free for all with every piece of electronic communication in the country, without having to abide by due process of law and obtain warrants in FISA court for each individual "suspect." Instead, it treated all 350,000,000 Americans who decided to make a phone call, instant message, e-mail, fax, text message, and any other concievable piece of electronic transmission as a suspect.

If you are not discussing how to blow up a building, you have nothing to worry about. Can you give me an example of how someone that you know was "wronged" by the FISA bill, or the Patriot Act itself? I say that you can not....so what is your point?

[Kärnfysikern]

If you are not discussing how to blow up a building, you have nothing to worry about. Can you give me an example of how someone that you know was "wronged" by the FISA bill, or the Patriot Act itself? I say that you can not....so what is your point?

So you would not mind them watchin you right? Posting on a steroid board would probably be suscpisious enough for most people.

Should I be watched because I discuss nuclear technology on science boards and on bloggs and, that could aferall be considered "sensitive".

Who decideds what is reason enough?

[Logan13]

So you would not mind them watchin you right? Posting on a steroid board would probably be suscpisious enough for most people.

Should I be watched because I discuss nuclear technology on science boards and on bloggs and, that could aferall be considered "sensitive".

Who decideds what is reason enough?

I am not breaking the law by posting here. It does not interfere with my daily life. If you have something to hide, you thoughts on it may differ from mine.........
I'm still waiting for a personal example of how someone's rights have been infringed by FISA or the Patriot Act. With all of the rhetoric in here, you would think that someone would have an example. The fact that you are all bitching about something which has obviously not had an impact on your daily lives is just silly. Get on with living your life.

[Kärnfysikern]

I am not breaking the law by posting here. It does not interfere with my daily life. If you have something to hide, you thoughts on it may differ from mine.........
I'm still waiting for a personal example of how someone's rights have been infringed by FISA or the Patriot Act. With all of the rhetoric in here, you would think that someone would have an example. The fact that you are all bitching about something which has obviously not had an impact on your daily lives is just silly. Get on with living your life.

Obviously isnt hasnt effected my life since I am not american. But in sweden recently a law passed that allows the defense department to monitor all internet traffic going in and out of sweden. Since a big chunk of almost all traffic is routed in one way or another through other countries it means just about anything is open to them. Its pure bullshit imo.

There is another law that mandate phone companies to save and store all mobile text messages for 3 years, another piece of shit law that is a infringment upon my rights.

[Logan13]

Obviously isnt hasnt effected my life since I am not american. But in sweden recently a law passed that allows the defense department to monitor all internet traffic going in and out of sweden. Since a big chunk of almost all traffic is routed in one way or another through other countries it means just about anything is open to them. Its pure bullshit imo.

There is another law that mandate phone companies to save and store all mobile text messages for 3 years, another piece of shit law that is a infringment upon my rights.

But honestly, unless you are breaking the law, they are not going to waste their time listening to you tell your girl how much you love her........
Both of these systems rely on key-word association. So if you are in general conversation, they are not actually listening to you. If you say something like "blow up the nuke plant", the system will start to record and will be submitted for review.

[Panzerfaust]

If you are not discussing how to blow up a building, you have nothing to worry about. Can you give me an example of how someone that you know was "wronged" by the FISA bill, or the Patriot Act itself? I say that you can not....so what is your point?

You know I honestly have to believe you just type this kind of ****ing bullshit just to piss people off. If not, you are no more an American than a ****ing Iraqi terrorist.

WTF is wrong with you? You would give away a little freedom for security, that is plain to see. People like you do not deserve either freedom or security.

Any American with goddamn common sense should be able to see what kind of freedom bills like this trample on.

The old "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I don't care" attitude is exactly what has allowed this shit to go on for years.

The principal of the idea is what is wrong, YOU can easily be considered a "terrorist" just so they can monitor your calls etc...If you believe for one second that you are exempt from this type of treatment because you are doing nothing wrong, you are a fool.

I used to have this attitude as well, but now that I have tried to educate myself on our rights as Americans, it has hit me like a ton of bricks to finally wakeup and realise just how far they have gone at destroying our civil liberties.

This "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I don't care" attitude has got to ****ing stop. Quit playing their game people. Unfortunately for them, they do need US to cooperate with them. Fortunately for us, we can stand together and with our sheer numbers change this country. One person cannot stand up and shout "Change"..but if 1 million + stand up and shout...that will get some attention.

First we need to continue to wake people up.

[Logan13]

You know I honestly have to believe you just type this kind of ****ing bullshit just to piss people off. If not, you are no more an American than a ****ing Iraqi terrorist.

WTF is wrong with you? You would give away a little freedom for security, that is plain to see. People like you do not deserve either freedom or security.

Any American with goddamn common sense should be able to see what kind of freedom bills like this trample on.

The old "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I don't care" attitude is exactly what has allowed this shit to go on for years.

The principal of the idea is what is wrong, YOU can easily be considered a "terrorist" just so they can monitor your calls etc...If you believe for one second that you are exempt from this type of treatment because you are doing nothing wrong, you are a fool.

I used to have this attitude as well, but now that I have tried to educate myself on our rights as Americans, it has hit me like a ton of bricks to finally wakeup and realise just how far they have gone at destroying our civil liberties.

This "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I don't care" attitude has got to ****ing stop. Quit playing their game people. Unfortunately for them, they do need US to cooperate with them. Fortunately for us, we can stand together and with our sheer numbers change this country. One person cannot stand up and shout "Change"..but if 1 million + stand up and shout...that will get some attention.

First we need to continue to wake people up.

For some reason, you seem to believe that the gov't has thousands of people working on this surveliance. I am here to tell you that THEY DO NOT. I always wonder why some people worry so much about this, either they have something to worry about or they are simply conspiracy theorists to the end. Which one are you? Brush up on what these bills actually say on the following site.
http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/subs/add_myths.htm