Your Opinion.. Should I or shouldn't I..

[Big_Ben]

Quick rundown.. I'm thinking about starting a cycle, I'm looking for a good weight gaining cycle, and heres the reason why:

Age: 22
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 110 lbs

I eat healthy, I eat big meals, 3-4 times a day, I'm in the gym 5 days a week, I take 150-200 grams of protein a day, I take weight gainer, I just can not put on mass.

I was thinking about starting a dbol cycle, but wanted peoples opinions.. some people say go for it.. others say don't do it.. I was also debating going with deca.. but I'm getting mixed feedback that its not really for mass, its for cutting, vise versa..

My goals are putting on muscle mass, not really looking to get cut because there is nothing to cut. I need to build muscle then worry about toning later. I would like to gain around 20-25 lbs.

Your feedback is appreciated, let me know if you have any questions about me.

[NATE0406]

at 110 pounds your diet cant be good. aas is not the answer. you need food and lots of it. do you even workout?

[shifty_git]

i think you steroids are not for you.... where 2 start...

5`11 and 110lbs.. wow.. you cant be eating right even if you think you are..

Deca only is a terrible cycle, but you shouldnt even be thinking about anything but food, food and more food.

[Lemonada8]

i think it ironic how urname is big ben and u weigh a buck ten... hey it rhymes lol.. but yeah i'd go w/ eating, because you obivously arent eating enough food, not saying u dont eat alot, just not enough... and how can u not be cut at that weight? you shouldnt have a ounce of fat on u if thats what u weigh...

[shifty_git]

im just trying to think what 110lbs on a 5`11 guy looks like...

you are no where near ready for things like steroids fella...
please dont do them.. you will seriously mess yourself over.

[Lemonada8]

im just trying to think what 110lbs on a 5`11 guy looks like...

^^ ditto^^ I mean 150 at that height is still tiny.. i guess i got lucky being a corn fed stock :P

[in_nujerz]

Quick rundown.. I'm thinking about starting a cycle, I'm looking for a good weight gaining cycle, and heres the reason why:

Age: 22
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 110 lbs

I eat healthy, I eat big meals, 3-4 times a day How big?, I'm in the gym 5 days a week, I take 150-200 grams of protein a day, I take weight gainer, I just can not put on mass.

I was thinking about starting a dbol cycle Dont, but wanted peoples opinions.. some people say go for it.. others say don't do it.. I was also debating going with deca..Not much better but I'm getting mixed feedback that its not really for mass, its for cutting, vise versa..

My goals are putting on muscle mass, not really looking to get cut because there is nothing to cut. I need to build muscle then worry about toning later. I would like to gain around 20-25 lbs.

Your feedback is appreciated, let me know if you have any questions about me.

I am 5'9" 165 lbs i know you wont believe me but when you watch your diet doesnt have to be as clean as everyone elses, sorry i love cheeseburgers, you will gain weight 5'11" 110lbs is rediculus

[Big_Ben]

I do eat healthy.. no fast foods, sodas, I eat red meat, chicken, turkey, breads, cheese..
I've always been this small, its just my natural build. I do work out, everyday. I just wanted to see what people thought.. measuring around my bicep is approx 11 inches to give you an idea of my size. My waist is a 28. I sound small, I really don't have much to me, I've been eating until I fill like I'm going to be sick every meal I eat, including 4 whey protein shakes too.

I understand where you're coming from that steroids will mess up my body.. but wouldn't a scaled dose for my size be ok?

[TatMan]

EAT MORE AND DRINK MORE SHAKES. There is no reason in the world to be almost 6 feet tall and weigh 110lbs. Eat eat eat!!

Steroids will be a very big mistake!

[Big_Ben]

For those of you who are wondering.. Here is an idea of what 110 looks like:

[shifty_git]

I do eat healthy.. no fast foods, sodas, I eat red meat, chicken, turkey, breads, cheese..
I've always been this small, its just my natural build. I do work out, everyday. I just wanted to see what people thought.. measuring around my bicep is approx 11 inches to give you an idea of my size. My waist is a 28. I sound small, I really don't have much to me, I've been eating until I fill like I'm going to be sick every meal I eat, including 4 whey protein shakes too.

I understand where you're coming from that steroids will mess up my body.. but wouldn't a scaled dose for my size be ok?

No. Steroids arnt a simple compound you can just take and adjust doseage depending on size.

You have no understanding of your natty hormone system, side effects, effects of different compounds, estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, LH, PCT, leydig cells.. you want me to go on?

And unless you are educated about those things (and many many more things), and are actually at a much bigger natural plateau, you are not ready for steroids.

[shifty_git]

For those of you who are wondering.. Here is an idea of what 110 looks like:

My final 2 things to add are...

1. This has to be a joke thread.

2. If it isnt, eat, eat, eat... 6 meals a day, atleast 200g of protein a day, and 3,500+ clean calories.

[Big_Ben]

Makes sense.. I've been researching as much as possible on steroids to get a better understanding of how my body would react etc etc.. and what caught my eye was women taking steroids.. what is sad to say is.. well with the size of my body, I figured it would react like a womens body considering I have a very very petite build. Maybe I was way off.. I'll just stick to the shakes and lifting for the time being.. but I would like to boost my gains..

[Amorphic]

My final 2 things to add are...

1. This has to be a joke thread.

2. If it isnt, eat, eat, eat... 6 meals a day, atleast 200g of protein a day, and 3,500+ clean calories.

thats what i was thinking

[kaberle_15]

Duuude you need to forget about aas and go get yourself a fat burger

[Big_Ben]

1. This is not a joke thread. There hasn't been much research on small people taking aas.
2. Fat burgers don't do it for me, trust me I've eaten my share of unhealthy food and I'll loose weight. I've been on the protein and mv for 6 months or so... I've gained 3 lbs. I thought aas would be a way to get all that protein to process through my body.

[Amorphic]

1. This is not a joke thread. There hasn't been much research on small people taking aas.
2. Fat burgers don't do it for me, trust me I've eaten my share of unhealthy food and I'll loose weight. I've been on the protein and mv for 6 months or so... I've gained 3 lbs. I thought aas would be a way to get all that protein to process through my body.

the known facts around here are that if you are small to begin with, it is most likely diet related, and if you cant get big naturally, how are you going to keep your gains from a cycle?

tendon and ligament damage is also a factor.

you seem too stubborn to listen

YOUR DIET IS THE PROBLEM

[Big_Ben]

the known facts around here are that if you are small to begin with, it is most likely diet related, and if you cant get big naturally, how are you going to keep your gains from a cycle?

tendon and ligament damage is also a factor.

you seem too stubborn to listen

YOUR DIET IS THE PROBLEM

I'm listening.. I'm going to try a new diet.. eating 7 meals a day. consisting of alot of carbs, protein, and weight gainer. I'm sorry for being uneducated, this is why I ask before I start a cycle and make things worse. If you all have any other opinions to gain weight I'd appreciate it.

[Amorphic]

I'm listening.. I'm going to try a new diet.. eating 7 meals a day. consisting of alot of carbs, protein, and weight gainer. I'm sorry for being uneducated, this is why I ask before I start a cycle and make things worse. If you all have any other opinions to gain weight I'd appreciate it.

hit up the diet forum, there are sample bulking diets you can use to bulk up

[lex57]

My final 2 things to add are...

1. This has to be a joke thread.

2. If it isnt, eat, eat, eat... 6 meals a day, atleast 200g of protein a day, and 3,500+ clean calories.

i will disagree a little and this is preference and i am kinda splitting hairs here dont get me wrong, but i just think that this guy would benefit more from eating 3 larger meals rather than 6 smaller. he needs to pack it on one way or another but eating 6 times a day keeps your metabolism up. maybe 3 meals will help this guy put some meat on and we can get him up to 125 or so with diet quickly. but in all honesty bro i would get to at least 160 or so with diet before considering aas. if you can do 50 lbs..... you may be able to. but sometimes aas is just not for everyone.

[Big_Ben]

i will disagree a little and this is preference and i am kinda splitting hairs here dont get me wrong, but i just think that this guy would benefit more from eating 3 larger meals rather than 6 smaller. he needs to pack it on one way or another but eating 6 times a day keeps your metabolism up. maybe 3 meals will help this guy put some meat on and we can get him up to 125 or so with diet quickly. but in all honesty bro i would get to at least 160 or so with diet before considering aas. if you can do 50 lbs..... you may be able to. but sometimes aas is just not for everyone.

Yes I've definitely come to agree that aas isn't for everyone.. Seems that a good diet for 6 months or so should hopefully get me to 130-140.. I found a "Hardgainer" diet on a site I'm going to look into, it says 7 meals a day.. some of those meals can be supplements (which they probably will be) but we'll see how it goes. I'm going to lift as much as my little body can every day to get some muscle on me. I'm tired of being the small guy in the gym.

[ottomaddox]

What are you doing in the gym? How long are you there? What is your workout split?

[thegodfather]

Here dude...I'm not really taking too kindly to the posts insinuating that this is a joke thread. My guess is that none of you guys were born 205 lbs at 6% body fat with the knowledge of diet&training automatically implanted in your brain...

Big Ben, if you are serious about wanting to gain mass and be dedicated to this lifestyle, you have definately come to the right place, even though you do not need steroids, this community is a great place for you to learn the basics about lifting and dieting.

Please visit the following threads and read them in their entirety.

Hardgainer thread-
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282

How to bulk&sample diet-http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

Tons of Training routines-http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209429


After you have read each of those, and browsed some training routines. Build yourself a diet, and post it in this forum to be critiqued- http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

After you post your diet and you get that on track, pick a training program, and then post it in the workout forum, found here- http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3

That is your start. What you need to know, is that training is probably the smallest part of bodybuilding and gaining mass. You do not get big in the gym, honestly at your weight you can go into the gym and pick up a weight and do just about anything, and as long as your diet is on point you WILL gain mass. You get big in the kitchen and when you are sleeping. Wish you the best of luck bro...

[mbarb15]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ ditto.... those are very powerfull threads, if u keep up and stick with it u'll see some results soon....

if my brother can do it, u can too
my bro was 6'3" and about 125... looked like a linguini with hair, hes up to 154 now..
diet and gym, religiously

[seattleironpumper]

I was exactley the same body frame when i was your age and i couldn't put on weight to save my life, people called me stick, I am not going to tell u not to do steroids it may help, but please listen to these pros on this site they can really help you, get to know some of them, and take their advise on diet, and work outs, before you start the gear, and i think if you do that just as they tell u and u are still real thin, then i would start a bulk cycle, but only after u have done that, and prepared your body for aas. good luck

Quick rundown.. I'm thinking about starting a cycle, I'm looking for a good weight gaining cycle, and heres the reason why:

Age: 22
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 110 lbs
,
I eat healthy, I eat big meals, 3-4 times a day, I'm in the gym 5 days a week, I take 150-200 grams of protein a day, I take weight gainer, I just can not put on mass.

I was thinking about starting a dbol cycle, but wanted peoples opinions.. some people say go for it.. others say don't do it.. I was also debating going with deca.. but I'm getting mixed feedback that its not really for mass, its for cutting, vise versa..

My goals are putting on muscle mass, not really looking to get cut because there is nothing to cut. I need to build muscle then worry about toning later. I would like to gain around 20-25 lbs.

Your feedback is appreciated, let me know if you have any questions about me.

[seattleironpumper]

shifty i was just like this at his age i tried tons of calorie intake and couldn't put on weight till i got in my 30s and drank lots of beer

i think you steroids are not for you.... where 2 start...

5`11 and 110lbs.. wow.. you cant be eating right even if you think you are..

Deca only is a terrible cycle, but you shouldnt even be thinking about anything but food, food and more food.

[seattleironpumper]

let me say it again i would wait atleast six months to one year before trying gear after u have done the thing that the more experince guys have informed u to do here. I feel where u are bro i hated being that skinny, ****ed up my self esteam, the good news is that people here can help u, if u are willing to listen, and aas is not a wonder drug, and has to be done after tons of research, and maybe u won't even need aas, if you are a good listener

[largerthannormal]

if you cant make progress off juice your not gonna progress on juice ..ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT BRO.

[seattleironpumper]

good quote

if you cant make progress off juice your not gonna progress on juice ..ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT BRO.

[SNUKA]

damn man sounds like you have an over active thyroid or something ive never seen stats like that. have you even been check out by a doctor and done a hormone panel?

[PT]

i gurentee i will be the only one to tell you this and everyone will disagree but if you have already lifted for a while and you tried eating everything you can then hit up a cycle of test and d-bol. do that and consume as much protein and calories as you can and you will grow

[lex57]

i gurentee i will be the only one to tell you this and everyone will disagree but if you have already lifted for a while and you tried eating everything you can then hit up a cycle of test and d-bol. do that and consume as much protein and calories as you can and you will grow

ok but then what. he will never be able to maintain his gains. look at him now.....he would end up right back where he is. this was the last thing i would have expected someone to say.....except maybe a noob......... poor advice bro. 5'11" and 110 and tell him to take some test and d-bol.......wow

[PT]

he has to start somewere. i wrestled at 150 in highschool and couldnt gain a pound afterwards no matter how much i ate and lifted. i did my first cycle of sust and have been growing since. whats your advice???? he said he trains and he can eat anything out there and not gain a pound. i was in his shoes before were you? didnt think so brother. after high school i tried raising my calories to 5000 a day and i still couldnt gain. i worked out my entire life so that sure wasnt the problem.

[jeffefrijoles]

Carbs! Carbs! Carbs! At his size, with such small amount of muscle, he wont need a whole lot of extra protein to build (150-200g suffice). But he should hit the potatoes, pastas, white rice... lots of good, starchy carbs! As much as he can eat. And fats as well... good fats (nuts, EFAs, flax, olive oils etc...). Will help him put on some water weight and general bulk as well. As far as frequency, I'd try 4 solid meals a day, with lots of grazing on nuts etc... I agree that 6-7 meals a day will just keep his motablosim too high (also not a bad call to see the doc and get Thyroid checked out as well as general physical). Train heavy to failure, oncw a week per part. Try this for a year before doing any AAS. I have researched AAS for 5 years, trained and ate well, and still am hesitant about trying my first cycle (and I'm 35 yrs old, 6' 205 lbs - up from 160 lbs 7 years ago). Nutrition is my steroid!! Oh ya, and yes, beer helps too!!! The alcohol slows down your metablism, the carbs in it arent the culprit..... Good Luck Big Ben!

[lex57]

he has to start somewere. i wrestled at 150 in highschool and couldnt gain a pound afterwards no matter how much i ate and lifted. i did my first cycle of sust and have been growing since. whats your advice???? he said he trains and he can eat anything out there and not gain a pound. i was in his shoes before were you? didnt think so brother. after high school i tried raising my calories to 5000 a day and i still couldnt gain. i worked out my entire life so that sure wasnt the problem.

if you read i gave my advice in post 20 i said that he should put on at least 15 lbs to start....then from there i think he would be able to get a grip on what he needs to do as far as diet is concerned......"i was in his shoes before were you? didnt think so brother. " and as for this quote it makes no sense either....can you tell by the way i type or the style of my keyboard what i have been through?didnt think so brother. look you can try defend what you say....but i think poor advice at best. i mean hell why stop with test and d-bol then? why not put him on say test e at 750mg/wk tren e 500 mg/week anadrol 50 mg/day hgh 8 ius/day run all this for 20 weeks. he should make great gains right? as a matter of fact i have changed my mind .....pietro you're right lets get this guy on the sauce asap! what do you think of my advice? and what about that cycle huh?

[Big_Ben]

I've made a gain in the last 2 weeks of approx 3 lbs. This is over stuffing carbs, protein, and heavy lifting 5-6 times a week. I'm going to continue to eat as much as I can..

I've gotten physicals done for this issue, because I am out of the charts for someone my height. The doctors I see seem to brush off the subject. I've never gotten my Thyroid checked, they've never mentioned anything about it at when I see the doc.

Another note:
I've been around 105-110 since I was about 16. There was a time about a year and a half ago I was eating nothing but fast food 3-4 times a day. I wouldn't put a pound on.

I also sit at a desk 10 hours a day.. so its not like I'm out burning off what I'm eating, its just not sticking to me.

Genetics:

My father was around 130 until he turned 28. When he turned 28 he shot up to about 190. So it seems it could be genetic. My mother is not thin or my sister, they're both average size.

What the guy said before is right.. It's hard to be 40 lbs underweight compared to 40 lbs overweight. It kills your self esteem, and I'm trying to build a better body, for better confidence, and to feel better about myself.

Thank you for all the info you all have posted, I've learned ALOT just cruising around the forums, the do's and don'ts.

[Big]

i gurentee i will be the only one to tell you this and everyone will disagree but if you have already lifted for a while and you tried eating everything you can then hit up a cycle of test and d-bol. do that and consume as much protein and calories as you can and you will grow

There are plenty of reasons why you are the only one telling him that. Look at his pics and read his stats, and you honestly think a cycle is in order? Do you think he is dieting properly and just doesn't respond to food? He is no where near ready for a cycle.

[lex57]

I've made a gain in the last 2 weeks of approx 3 lbs. This is over stuffing carbs, protein, and heavy lifting 5-6 times a week. I'm going to continue to eat as much as I can..

I've gotten physicals done for this issue, because I am out of the charts for someone my height. The doctors I see seem to brush off the subject. I've never gotten my Thyroid checked, they've never mentioned anything about it at when I see the doc.

Another note:
I've been around 105-110 since I was about 16. There was a time about a year and a half ago I was eating nothing but fast food 3-4 times a day. I wouldn't put a pound on.

I also sit at a desk 10 hours a day.. so its not like I'm out burning off what I'm eating, its just not sticking to me.

Genetics:

My father was around 130 until he turned 28. When he turned 28 he shot up to about 190. So it seems it could be genetic. My mother is not thin or my sister, they're both average size.

What the guy said before is right.. It's hard to be 40 lbs underweight compared to 40 lbs overweight. It kills your self esteem, and I'm trying to build a better body, for better confidence, and to feel better about myself.

Thank you for all the info you all have posted, I've learned ALOT just cruising around the forums, the do's and don'ts.

look at it from this perspective 3 lbs in 2 weeks..... if you could do 3 lbs per month thats over 30 lbs in a year.... puts you at around 145 or so then i say continue on and in a year and half or 2 years you may be ready. i wanna ask you this......how long have you been really hard into getting a plan together and working out hard. be honest with me.....i wanna know cuz i wanna demonstrate something to you.

[Big_Ben]

Hard into it: 4-5 months. Thats like hard into it. I wasn't eating as much as I am now, I've increased my meals around 1-2 months ago.. just lately has the weight been slightly increasing.

[Nstart]

One of my friends was very similar to you. I told him to drink olive oil (6 times a day with every meal) and eat peanut butter like it is going out of style.

Mr 6'1 114lbs in 6 months now weighs in at almost 160lbs and his strength has gone through the roof. I just find it very hard to believe that anyone says "I eat all day long and can't gain weight". Well, you aren't eating the right foods.

Supplement with olive oil, flaxseed oil, peanuts, avocados, peanut butter, etc...

One of my friends favorite snacks now is dipping whole grain bread in olive oil. Two spoons of olive oil is 120 calories. You can eat 1200 calories with just whole grain bread and olive oil for one meal during the day.