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    The question is not weather candidates pander to wackos..the question is why does the US media make such a big deal about Obamas association with Wright-talking about it incesently day after day, while this Parcely guy is swept under the rug, to the point where the McCain campaign can just blow it off and not even respond to the issue. BTW the non-US based english speaking news media outlets (BBC, DW, Aljazeers English, Australian Channel) didn't really talk about wright at all, or only to report that there was a controvercy once the US channels groussed about it for a week.

    Oh wait a second.. i stand corrected, after reviewing the link that carlos offered I found that kieth oberlman at msnbc did in fact mention the parcely issue, but obviouly it was not talked about as much as wright..possibly because it was the hillary clinton campaign that first used this willie horton tactic to attack obama in the first place..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcaYNSZlnWY&feature=related
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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce View Post
    The question is not weather candidates pander to wackos..the question is why does the US media make such a big deal about Obamas association with Wright-talking about it incesently day after day, while this Parcely guy is swept under the rug, to the point where the McCain campaign can just blow it off and not even respond to the issue. BTW the non-US based english speaking news media outlets (BBC, DW, Aljazeers English, Australian Channel) didn't really talk about wright at all, or only to report that there was a controvercy once the US channels groussed about it for a week.

    Oh wait a second.. i stand corrected, after reviewing the link that carlos offered I found that kieth oberlman at msnbc did in fact mention the parcely issue, but obviouly it was not talked about as much as wright..possibly because it was the hillary clinton campaign that first used this willie horton tactic to attack obama in the first place..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcaYN...eature=related
    the difference is SIMPLE, Obama was a patron at Jeremy Wright's racist church for 20 YEARS, McCain simply accepted endorsements from a variety of big time 'ministers'. Do a little research and find where McCain INSULTED the religious right in the last election. Republicans don't win any election without support of the religious right. Not sure why people keep proliferating this idea, its really stupid, theres no comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    the difference is SIMPLE, Obama was a patron at Jeremy Wright's racist church for 20 YEARS, McCain simply accepted endorsements from a variety of big time 'ministers'. Do a little research and find where McCain INSULTED the religious right in the last election. Republicans don't win any election without support of the religious right. Not sure why people keep proliferating this idea, its really stupid, theres no comparison.
    good post and well put

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    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    the difference is SIMPLE, Obama was a patron at Jeremy Wright's racist church for 20 YEARS
    I'll bet Obama attended church as regularly as most other people do . . . at Easter and Xmas . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    I'll bet Obama attended church as regularly as most other people do . . . at Easter and Xmas . . .
    If you're betting Obama wasn't aware of the racist nature of his church, you'd be betting wrong. He had a personal relationship with Jeremy Wright, who married him, and baptized his children. 'Obama has described Wright as a sounding board and mentor. Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. Obama consulted Wright before deciding to run for president. The title of Obama’s bestseller “The Audacity of Hope” comes from one of Wright’s sermons. Obama’s “Yes We Can!” slogan is one of Wright’s exhortations.' When Obama claims he had no knowledge of Wright's inflammatory racist nature, he LIES, just like any other politician. Theres no way he was associated with that ridiculous 'church' for so long and didn't hear any of the BS spewing out of ole Jeremy Wright, as this was not an occasional occurrence. Wright publicized all kinds of racist propaganda on his website, in his magazine the Trumpet, and on church news letters. They gave a lifetime achievement award to Farrakhan! You don't think Obama knew about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    the difference is SIMPLE, Obama was a patron at Jeremy Wright's racist church for 20 YEARS, McCain simply accepted endorsements from a variety of big time 'ministers'. Do a little research and find where McCain INSULTED the religious right in the last election. Republicans don't win any election without support of the religious right. Not sure why people keep proliferating this idea, its really stupid, theres no comparison.
    +5000

    I swear to god some people here are mentally challenged and lack basic reading comprehension and logical skills.

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    Strange how people haven't mentioned the fact (or maybe they are too mentally challenged to do 'extensive' research), that Trinity Baptist Church is a predominantly white church with only 3 services a week presided over by and attended by a majority of African Americans. But of course that doesn't matter to people who continuously try to convine themselves that racism no longer exists.

    Anyone who believes Obama is a racist and/or subscribes to Wright's imflammatory rhetoric needs to have his/her head examined. This is a man who is ½ white and who still enjoys a close relationship to the white side of his family (especially considering he doesn't really know his father's side of the family because they all live in Africa).

    Of course everyone wants to use the 20 yr thing and the fact that he married him and baptised his kids. Well how many of us truly have a 'relationship' with the guy who married us or baptized our children. When I got married and when my children were baptized, I was looking for whomever was available. I was married my a drunk womanizer, I guess that makes me one too! And, for that matter, lets delve into every politicians supposed racists affiliations. I want Hannity to do a story on anyone John McCain knows who has used the N-word. Or anyone he knows who has told a racially insensitive or sexist joke. This shit is insane! The only reason why people want to focus on bullshit like this is because this man is closer to the presidency than anyone expected and the true feelings of race is coming out in this country. Welcome to white America's 'OH SHIT' moment!

    Notice the polling that indicate that the whites who support Obama have no issue with his "affiliation" with Wright. Its the one's who are afraid to admit their prejudice, that have made the biggest stink about Rev. Wright.

    Attack the man on the issues, if not, be fair and give McCain's 'spiritual advisor' the same scrutiny. Lets face it, both Obama and McCain chose these guys out of political expediency. They both made bad choices in their affiliations, it just seems the public seems to focus on the "black" candidate. Why is that? HHHHMMMMMMm can't be racism, since that no longer exists, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    Strange how people haven't mentioned the fact (or maybe they are too mentally challenged to do 'extensive' research), that Trinity Baptist Church is a predominantly white church with only 3 services a week presided over by and attended by a majority of African Americans. But of course that doesn't matter to people who continuously try to convine themselves that racism no longer exists.

    Anyone who believes Obama is a racist and/or subscribes to Wright's imflammatory rhetoric needs to have his/her head examined. This is a man who is ½ white and who still enjoys a close relationship to the white side of his family (especially considering he doesn't really know his father's side of the family because they all live in Africa).

    Of course everyone wants to use the 20 yr thing and the fact that he married him and baptised his kids. Well how many of us truly have a 'relationship' with the guy who married us or baptized our children. When I got married and when my children were baptized, I was looking for whomever was available. I was married my a drunk womanizer, I guess that makes me one too! And, for that matter, lets delve into every politicians supposed racists affiliations. I want Hannity to do a story on anyone John McCain knows who has used the N-word. Or anyone he knows who has told a racially insensitive or sexist joke. This shit is insane! The only reason why people want to focus on bullshit like this is because this man is closer to the presidency than anyone expected and the true feelings of race is coming out in this country. Welcome to white America's 'OH SHIT' moment!

    Notice the polling that indicate that the whites who support Obama have no issue with his "affiliation" with Wright. Its the one's who are afraid to admit their prejudice, that have made the biggest stink about Rev. Wright.

    Attack the man on the issues, if not, be fair and give McCain's 'spiritual advisor' the same scrutiny. Lets face it, both Obama and McCain chose these guys out of political expediency. They both made bad choices in their affiliations, it just seems the public seems to focus on the "black" candidate. Why is that? HHHHMMMMMMm can't be racism, since that no longer exists, right?
    If you look at the exit polls in predominately White Indiana, Rev. Wright was not an issue. The media made it an issue. Democrats didn't care. The only people who care are people who would not vote for him anyway.

    Take a look at this poll. McCain's association with Bush' is more of a negative then Rev. Wright was for Obama.


    The May 1-3 poll finds 38% of likely voters saying McCain's association with Bush makes them less likely to vote for McCain, while 33% say Obama's association with Wright diminishes their likelihood of voting for Obama. The Bush-McCain relationship does have more upside than the Obama-Wright association, though, as 7% say they are more likely to vote for McCain because of his association with Bush, while only 1% say they are more likely to vote for Obama because of his association with Wright.

    Importantly, a majority of voters in both questions say the personal association will not affect their vote either way.
    Again the people who care would not vote for him anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    Strange how people haven't mentioned the fact (or maybe they are too mentally challenged to do 'extensive' research), that Trinity Baptist Church is a predominantly white church with only 3 services a week presided over by and attended by a majority of African Americans. But of course that doesn't matter to people who continuously try to convine themselves that racism no longer exists.

    Anyone who believes Obama is a racist and/or subscribes to Wright's imflammatory rhetoric needs to have his/her head examined. This is a man who is ½ white and who still enjoys a close relationship to the white side of his family (especially considering he doesn't really know his father's side of the family because they all live in Africa).

    Of course everyone wants to use the 20 yr thing and the fact that he married him and baptised his kids. Well how many of us truly have a 'relationship' with the guy who married us or baptized our children. When I got married and when my children were baptized, I was looking for whomever was available. I was married my a drunk womanizer, I guess that makes me one too! And, for that matter, lets delve into every politicians supposed racists affiliations. I want Hannity to do a story on anyone John McCain knows who has used the N-word. Or anyone he knows who has told a racially insensitive or sexist joke. This shit is insane! The only reason why people want to focus on bullshit like this is because this man is closer to the presidency than anyone expected and the true feelings of race is coming out in this country. Welcome to white America's 'OH SHIT' moment!

    Notice the polling that indicate that the whites who support Obama have no issue with his "affiliation" with Wright. Its the one's who are afraid to admit their prejudice, that have made the biggest stink about Rev. Wright.

    Attack the man on the issues, if not, be fair and give McCain's 'spiritual advisor' the same scrutiny. Lets face it, both Obama and McCain chose these guys out of political expediency. They both made bad choices in their affiliations, it just seems the public seems to focus on the "black" candidate. Why is that? HHHHMMMMMMm can't be racism, since that no longer exists, right?
    Wow, where to start ad-man?

    "lets face it, both Obama and McCain chose these guys out of political expediency." - This is simply a horrible analogy. Obama chose wright longggg before he was involved in politics. Obama chose to have a personal relationship with his pastor and likened him to a family member. "Uncle" was the therm Obama used, not the media. McCain is historically an enemy and critic of the religious right and only saddled up to religious types for THIS election. Slight difference there...what do I know though, I can barely see past my garlic nose. How are those watermelon lips, by the way? (oh noes....that was racist!)

    I find it utterly amazing that while you remain fixated on how evil and racist white people are you continually ignore, apologize for, and accept black racism. It takes two to tango my friend, it takes two...

    This is a man who is ½ white and who still enjoys a close relationship to the white side of his family - Except Barack enjoys pulling in 90% of the black vote (which I'm sure is just on the issues, naturally), identifies himself as a black man, goes to a militant black preacher and marries a typical america hating black woman who's had every opportunity possible in this country. Yes, America is so mean you got to go to the best schools in the world and your husband is making a serious run for president. Horrible country this is. Additionally, Barack is so close to his white side that he has no problem calling his white grandmother "typical" in that she is racist and bigoted. What love he has. Where's his black daddy again? Maybe I'll ask Bill Cosby...

    Notice the polling that indicate that the whites who support Obama have no issue with his "affiliation" with Wright. - Whites who support Obama are either full of white guilt, too scared of the PC police not to vote for a black guy, Socialists/Marxists or dummies of the MSM. On the issues alone Obama is a horrible candidate and if he was white you wouldn't even know his name.

    Again, throughout your entire post you downplay the relationship between BO and his pastor. Go read Obama's own words about Wright. Go read The Audacity of Hope and see what that sermon was about (white people controlling the world). Go research how Obama always made sure Wright was around and consulted him before any major career decisions. Did you consult your preacher when you decided to stop playing football and go into marketing? Your refusal to even see the truth makes your arguments laughable and I don't find it shocking that the two biggest Obama supporters here are....black guys. Shocking, I know...but I'm sure it is all about the issues and nothing else.

    I can't wait to hear your excuse for Obama's relationship with the unapologetic domestic terrorist. That should be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Act of God View Post
    Wow, where to start ad-man?

    "lets face it, both Obama and McCain chose these guys out of political expediency." - This is simply a horrible analogy. Obama chose wright longggg before he was involved in politics. Obama chose to have a personal relationship with his pastor and likened him to a family member. "Uncle" was the therm Obama used, not the media. McCain is historically an enemy and critic of the religious right and only saddled up to religious types for THIS election. Slight difference there...what do I know though, I can barely see past my garlic nose. How are those watermelon lips, by the way? (oh noes....that was racist!)

    I find it utterly amazing that while you remain fixated on how evil and racist white people are you continually ignore, apologize for, and accept black racism. It takes two to tango my friend, it takes two...

    This is a man who is ½ white and who still enjoys a close relationship to the white side of his family - Except Barack enjoys pulling in 90% of the black vote (which I'm sure is just on the issues, naturally), identifies himself as a black man, goes to a militant black preacher and marries a typical america hating black woman who's had every opportunity possible in this country. Yes, America is so mean you got to go to the best schools in the world and your husband is making a serious run for president. Horrible country this is. Additionally, Barack is so close to his white side that he has no problem calling his white grandmother "typical" in that she is racist and bigoted. What love he has. Where's his black daddy again? Maybe I'll ask Bill Cosby...

    Notice the polling that indicate that the whites who support Obama have no issue with his "affiliation" with Wright. - Whites who support Obama are either full of white guilt, too scared of the PC police not to vote for a black guy, Socialists/Marxists or dummies of the MSM. On the issues alone Obama is a horrible candidate and if he was white you wouldn't even know his name.

    Again, throughout your entire post you downplay the relationship between BO and his pastor. Go read Obama's own words about Wright. Go read The Audacity of Hope and see what that sermon was about (white people controlling the world). Go research how Obama always made sure Wright was around and consulted him before any major career decisions. Did you consult your preacher when you decided to stop playing football and go into marketing? Your refusal to even see the truth makes your arguments laughable and I don't find it shocking that the two biggest Obama supporters here are....black guys. Shocking, I know...but I'm sure it is all about the issues and nothing else.

    I can't wait to hear your excuse for Obama's relationship with the unapologetic domestic terrorist. That should be fun.
    Well said, I am losing energy trying to explain things to these guys, its like talking to a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    that Trinity Baptist Church is a predominantly white church with only 3 services a week presided over by and attended by a majority of African Americans. But of course that doesn't matter to people who continuously try to convine themselves that racism no longer exists.
    Am i missing soemthing? If its attended by a majority of african americans wouldnt it be a predominantly black church?

    Not trying to nit pick i just didnt understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    Am i missing soemthing? If its attended by a majority of african americans wouldnt it be a predominantly black church?

    Not trying to nit pick i just didnt understand
    As a denomination the church is predominately White. The service he preaches, is attended by mostly Blacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    As a denomination the church is predominately White. The service he preaches, is attended by mostly Blacks.
    Thanks. That makes sence. Im not religous so didnt get it

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    Your playing with words here when you describe Wright and his church as 'racist', this is someone who is accused of going to far when criticizing America's past policies, misrepresenting what America stands for, and demagoging for example:

    "God Damn America.." for it's decision to drop a nuclear bomb on Japan
    or blaming Amerca's predominently white aristocracy for the ills of America's African American community, or slamming America and Israel for supporting South Africa's Aphartied regime in the 70's and 80's. America's "neo-imperialist" policies like Iraq, etc. Some of the comments attributed to him are 3rd person and cannot be confirmed..lets stick to only comments made on the you-tube video or on some other tape!

    ALSO, America was not "built on a foundaton of Judea-Christian principles" this is a myth, there were almost no Jews in America in the 16-1800's..and Judism is much closer to Islam theologically than christianity..there is no "judeo-christian" principle that isn't also an "christian islamic jewish principle".. we are talking about the 3 Monotheistic religions here..the rest is in interpretations..

    what you are talking about is racial, that American Jews are caucasian white people from europe and muslims are dark skinned people, thats no principal..

    The conflict in the ME ofcource is mostly the result of Zionism, which is predominently white skinned european and america jews going over there and pushing out the indiginous dark-skinned arab population, and then what we see today which is an aphartied state, aphartied being an extreme form of segregation; segregation is a policy that caused so much damage to America's black population..

    Racism is policies, particularly policies of racial exclusion, it is not just demagoging..

    also watch "The Iron Wall" on Youtube.. this is a good activist video on Israels west bank barriers and jewish only roads..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSPatKNo-3Q


    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    the difference is SIMPLE, Obama was a patron at Jeremy Wright's racist church for 20 YEARS, McCain simply accepted endorsements from a variety of big time 'ministers'. Do a little research and find where McCain INSULTED the religious right in the last election. Republicans don't win any election without support of the religious right. Not sure why people keep proliferating this idea, its really stupid, theres no comparison.
    Anyone that makes a comment like that, calling for the destruction of any religion or people is preaching hate not Christiananity. However, like it or not this country was built on a foundaton of Judea-Christian principles. Islamist have been very vocal in the calls for the destruction of this coutry including hijacking and crashing planes into buildings and such actions garnish a responce, some justifiable and some that go to far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce View Post
    The conflict in the ME ofcource is mostly the result of Zionism, which is predominently white skinned european and america jews going over there and pushing out the indiginous dark-skinned arab population,
    100% agree with you there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce View Post
    Your playing with words here when you describe Wright and his church as 'racist', this is someone who is accused of going to far when criticizing America's past policies, misrepresenting what America stands for, and demagoging for example:
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    Wright describes Itallians as Garlic Noses, constantly rails against 'white america', saying HIV was introduced into the ghetto on purpose, thinks black and white people 'learn differently because black people are right brained and white people are left brained', and gave an award to lewis farrakhan!

    What he is preaching is hatred and intolerance of other races and in an institutionalized setting. It might be demagoging but its also racism, plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    Wright describes Itallians as Garlic Noses, constantly rails against 'white america', saying HIV was introduced into the ghetto on purpose, thinks black and white people 'learn differently because black people are right brained and white people are left brained', and gave an award to lewis farrakhan!

    What he is preaching is hatred and intolerance of other races and in an institutionalized setting. It might be demagoging but its also racism, plain and simple.
    No one cares besides you and a handful of people. People who would not vote for Obama anyway. McCain's association with Bush is a bigger issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    No one cares besides you and a handful of people. People who would not vote for Obama anyway. McCain's association with Bush is a bigger issue.


    A) I may vote for Obama, the Wright issue definitely throws me off.

    B) 33% is a huge amount of people who care. Why do you think hes been struggling against HIllary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    Why do you think hes been struggling against HIllary?
    Struggling? Last time I checked he's winning.
    While overall discomfort with an African-American president is much lower, it rises among less-educated whites. Among whites who haven't gone through college, 17 percent say they'd be at least somewhat uncomfortable with a black president; that compares with just 4 percent of white college graduates.
    He's not winnning over uneducated White people who said when polled they don't want a woman or a Black man for president. They would feel the same even if Rev. Wrights videos never came out.

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    Lemme put it this way; traditionally white people are the majority here and black people were brought here as slaves, and there is a history of injustice against them..and they are the more vulnerable part of the population in case of mass insurection (ie: militias taking over various parts of the country) , and they have less economic power .. so no-one really cares if some of the poorer ones or more 'acedemic' ones vent in this fashon, i don't. It's much more threatning when it's coming from a KuKluxKlan type, black fear that it could become more mainstream. and i still don't see where wright say blacks are 'better' than whites, preaches segregation, encourages blacks to hate white people etc., his comments all seem directed at the system and general attitudes.

    and again with those 3rd party attributes to Wright..you have to see a tape or if it was written by him there needs to be a reference:

    garlic noses-so whats the big deal, maybe it was a goof, so he made a political correctness mistake, he's just some stupid preacher, before this no-one even knew who he was.

    learning differently-hello, need more and what context, and who the fk cares what side your brain you think out of..and he was probably joking again

    lewis farakhan-an award for what? and now your going from vilinizing BO because he is associated with wright, you then hit an issue wall and are unable to really explain why this wright guy is really so bad, so now your jetting off to lewis farakhan..

    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    Wright describes Itallians as Garlic Noses, constantly rails against 'white america', saying HIV was introduced into the ghetto on purpose, thinks black and white people 'learn differently because black people are right brained and white people are left brained', and gave an award to lewis farrakhan!

    What he is preaching is hatred and intolerance of other races and in an institutionalized setting. It might be demagoging but its also racism, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce View Post
    in case of mass insurection (ie: militias taking over various parts of the country)
    HAHAHA enough said.

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