Info on starter pack.

[moonroof]

I weigh 170 lbs 5'8" about 12 % body fat , 33 years old . I was wondering what some of the vetrans used as their starter pack and what the results were. Kinda doing my own reserch . You cant go wrong with experience . so I'm asking you guys. Thanks for your help guys .

[mearl]

I did a course of 500mg sus and 400 deca per week for 12 weeks + pct put on about 26 pounds but the sus was nasty alot of water retention for me =(

Depends what u want lean mass, huge bulk, ripping etc....

[moonroof]

Thanks Mearl , Finnaly a nice guy with info . . I would like lean mass for strength. I hav researched the deca and I know it stays in your system for a long time so I'm kida trying to stay away with that , but I have not ruled it out though. i only get drug tested for minor stuff. I just don't like i beeing in my sytem that long in case i change jobs and have a more strengent drug test .
Did the sus give you any rage . Thats my worst fear along with bitch tits.

[Big]

I always recommend test only for a first cycle.

[92whitelx]

if your going to take deca you also need some kind of test

[Phate]

Thanks Mearl , Finnaly a nice guy with info . . I would like lean mass for strength. I hav researched the deca and I know it stays in your system for a long time so I'm kida trying to stay away with that , but I have not ruled it out though. i only get drug tested for minor stuff. I just don't like i beeing in my sytem that long in case i change jobs and have a more strengent drug test .
Did the sus give you any rage . Thats my worst fear along with bitch tits.

There is no such thing as roid rage, if your aggresive before you start you may be more so on cycle but you can always control what you do

i would run a test only cycle for a first cycle for several reasons
1. Your receptors are fresh so a test first cycle will yield VERY GOOD results as long as your diet, which is the most important part of bodybuilding, and training is on point.

2. Since you are afraid of gyno and estrogen related sides, deca is a bad choice for a first cycle as it is a progestrine, let me elaborate a bit on this. Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive

as you can see, running deca for a first cycle can be risky especially if you are afraid of gyno

3.Oh yes, there's more, deca is a 19nor and is very supressive so the pct is going to have to be more intensive and thus more expensive

if you want to run a test only cycle i wrote a thread out with all the info you need, just ask if you want me to post it

[moonroof]

Sure post the thread on he the test e. Thanks for your help guys . Sure thing is its esier taking test than jabbing . Exactly what kind of blood tests are done while on roids. And can these mobile web labs be trusted ?Or do you guys have a personal doctor that you can trust?

[PEWN]

I always recommend test only for a first cycle.

I agree the normal 500mg/week for 10 weeks is recommended just to see how you react...

[Big]

Sure thing is its esier taking test than jabbing .

what do you mean?

[PEWN]

lol, i did not catch that ....

wow .... looks like SM is back ...

[moonroof]

I thought Test is pill form and deca in vile ? Who is SM? Any way thanks for the info guys

[PEWN]

Test is a injectable.... along with deca.....

[moonroof]

Thanks Pewn . Can you get it in pill form? I dont want any liver problems though!

[hockeyguy]

phate186 , could you post your test only cycle? Thinking of a 10 week sust only first cycle. Thanks

[Phate]

no problem, here ya go, though i wrote it for test enth with a dbol kicker, but it still has all the info you need

Test Beginner cycle info

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

Dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

[hockeyguy]

phate186 thanks, I've read the link from C_Bino on gyno. I've also seen people on hear say to run arimidex through out your cycle even if you have no signs of gyno, other say no need to run it unless you start to see signs. So what should one do run it no matter what or only if signs?

[moonroof]

I'm kinda leaning on test e and , EQ . Phate what do you think about that on a cycle . Defintely want the arimidex for the gyno . Now I need help with the TEST E , EQ, and arimidex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[moonroof]

thanks Phate thats some good info!!!!

[Phate]

i'd just run that cycle that i posted, you'll get great gains since it's your first cycle and you can do a bulker, lean bulk, cut by changing your diet, the eq you can add for your second cycle, or add deca

[fedorrulz]

There is no such thing as roid rage, if your aggresive before you start you may be more so on cycle but you can always control what you do

i would run a test only cycle for a first cycle for several reasons
1. Your receptors are fresh so a test first cycle will yield VERY GOOD results as long as your diet, which is the most important part of bodybuilding, and training is on point.

2. Since you are afraid of gyno and estrogen related sides, deca is a bad choice for a first cycle as it is a progestrine, let me elaborate a bit on this. Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive

as you can see, running deca for a first cycle can be risky especially if you are afraid of gyno

3.Oh yes, there's more, deca is a 19nor and is very supressive so the pct is going to have to be more intensive and thus more expensive

if you want to run a test only cycle i wrote a thread out with all the info you need, just ask if you want me to post it

great post.

moon. Have you considered test with tbol as a first? 300mg test , 40mg tbol and you don't have to worry about gyno.

[moonroof]

I havent considerd that cycle i would have to research it. thanks phate and fed.