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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    He didn't.

    Not that you'll read them, or that it will change your opinions if you do, here are some links to enlightening websites disputing your unfounded assertion:
    http://www.infidels.org/library/mode.../prophecy.html
    http://www.salafipublications.com/sp...articlePages=1


    Also, Jesus was prophesied to have been the son of King David, but if you check out the genaologies given in the New Testament, you'll find that while one version shows Jesus to be the son of Joseph who was a descendant of David, the other version shows Jesus to be the son of Mary, who was not a descendant of David.
    One problem with this is, if Jesus was the son of a virgin, then Joseph was not his father and he was not not a descendant of King David. If Jesus was the biological son of Joseph, then he was not born of a virgin, which also becomes a problem.


    So, though CS Lewis said, "Jesus is either Lord, lunatic, or liar," there's another option. Jesus is a work of fiction, and that's all there is to that.
    Ok Tock, I speed read through your links... what would you like to talk about on those... the main jist of the article is trying to discredit Mathew's writing to take away from the meaning or content... that is called strawman.

    I don't know where you got that Mary's and Joseph's lineage are different, but in both Luke (mary's) and Mathew's (joseph's) link them to the tribe and seed of David.

    A lot of the other interpretations of the prophecy fulfilment in the links above is explaining what the intent of the original author was writing about and that it was not intended to apply to Jesus' fulfilment of prophecy... in otherwords if you take psalm 23, which is David's poem about his affliction, then you can't use that to apply to Jesus... but, the whole idea of prophecy in this manner originates in Judaism... you don't have to accept the prophecies in that manner, but no one asked anyone too... it is for the Jews and the prophecies were fulfilled according to their manner and interpretation... Jesus uses many examples to say that God reveals himself to the "simple" and hides from the "wise"...

    from a textbook reading it is just like the links stated above... applied to a different time.. to a faithful servant it is fulfilment of the prophecy of the messiah..
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockinred View Post
    Ok Tock, I speed read through your links... what would you like to talk about on those... the main jist of the article is trying to discredit Mathew's writing to take away from the meaning or content... that is called strawman.

    I don't know where you got that Mary's and Joseph's lineage are different, but in both Luke (mary's) and Mathew's (joseph's) link them to the tribe and seed of David.

    A lot of the other interpretations of the prophecy fulfilment in the links above is explaining what the intent of the original author was writing about and that it was not intended to apply to Jesus' fulfilment of prophecy... in otherwords if you take psalm 23, which is David's poem about his affliction, then you can't use that to apply to Jesus... but, the whole idea of prophecy in this manner originates in Judaism... you don't have to accept the prophecies in that manner, but no one asked anyone too... it is for the Jews and the prophecies were fulfilled according to their manner and interpretation... Jesus uses many examples to say that God reveals himself to the "simple" and hides from the "wise"...

    from a textbook reading it is just like the links stated above... applied to a different time.. to a faithful servant it is fulfilment of the prophecy of the messiah..
    Good post

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