Second Cycle, Test prop and Tren what do you think?

[DS21]

This will be my second cycle. My first was test prop 500mg wk. I really want to put on leaner weight this time.

Wk 1-12 250mg test prop
Wk 1-10 500mg tren ace
Wk 1-10 .25mg letro

PCT- I am allergic to nolva and clomid (rash), so I will start the gyno reversal wk 11 and get off the letro with either l-dex or arimisin, unless there is another suggestion.

Please let me know if the cycle looks good, and feel free to give your 2 cents.

Thanks

[Bigmax]

The cycle looks decent bro...for your second cycle ...how will you be injecting EOD??

[DS21]

It will be ed. Do you think the PCT is okay?

[Bigmax]

Looks ok to me bro..

[DS21]

Thanks!

[Bulldog1115]

i think 500mg/w of tren is way to much dude

[MBaraso]

add some winny or var and you'll be a much happier camper!
prop,tren, winny is the best cycle ever!

[jethro1]

I would up the prop. to 500mg. U might want to start off with less tren if this is ur 1st time using it, some people have terrible sides with it.

[Nitz5785]

I would up the prop. to 500mg. U might want to start off with less tren if this is ur 1st time using it, some people have terrible sides with it.

I agree completely. Prop at 500mg/wk and tren 300 then go up to 500 to assess tolerances.

[J0k3R]

I would up the prop. to 500mg. U might want to start off with less tren if this is ur 1st time using it, some people have terrible sides with it.

Agreed. For a first time user of tren it is a wise idea to adjust accordingly. Maybe start off at 350 mg of tren and 500 mg with prop. Then if you feel it could be better after 2 weeks you can bump it back to 500 mg.

[Michael Scott]

I think you're running it too long. I'd rather do 10 weeks of Prop and 8 weeks of Tren A. And 500mg of Tren a week is a shit load, have you done any research on how bad the sides are ? In terms of sides I don't think anything else is worst than Tren. Also the leanness of your gains has much more to do with your diet than the gear you use. You could run Test-E, Deca, and Dbol and still have leaner gains than Prop + Tren ace if your diet is in order. Just keep it clean and eat only the minimum amount you need to stimulate muscle growth.

[DS21]

I would up the prop. to 500mg. U might want to start off with less tren if this is ur 1st time using it, some people have terrible sides with it.

From what I've read, the less test with tren the better. Well at least it is better do to the fact there is less estrogen aromitizing in the body, which should leed to less estrogen sides? I've read numerous times on this board that this can be a very good way to run test and tren, besides tren is the more powerful steroid. If the sides are really that bad I will lower the dose, but I think I can handle it, at least I hope.

Is there a reason you would up the test?

[DS21]

I think you're running it too long. I'd rather do 10 weeks of Prop and 8 weeks of Tren A. And 500mg of Tren a week is a shit load, have you done any research on how bad the sides are ? In terms of sides I don't think anything else is worst than Tren. Also the leanness of your gains has much more to do with your diet than the gear you use. You could run Test-E, Deca, and Dbol and still have leaner gains than Prop + Tren ace if your diet is in order. Just keep it clean and eat only the minimum amount you need to stimulate muscle growth.

I appreciate your input. My other option was to run it as followed:

WK 1-12 Test Prop 250mg/w
WK 1-8 Tren Ace 500mg/w
Wk 9-12 Winny 500mg/w

In regards to the sides, I have read a lot on tren and the one that I worry about is insomnia. If it is really hard for me to sleep I will take some melatonin or benadryl at night. My diet is really clean, what I ment was I want more muscle growth then test gave me on my last cycle. I know diet is the most important factor for muscle growth, I just thought going from PH to test I would have been inpressed. The sex drive was unreal, but I was hoping to put on a good 15-20lbs of muscle over the three months. From what I've heard tren and test can get you that.

I haven't purchased my gear yet so I am always open to any suggestions.

Thanks

[Dog-Slime]

I don't think you need to up the test but I would still lower the tren a little bit. 250 test + 300 tren is still 550mgs a week and tren is a lot stronger than test so you should still see good gains. After a week or two you could bump to 400 tren. Then if thats cool bump to 500.

[T_Own]

if you do plan on running winstrol with it, i would make it a little longer than that, and maybe only 50mg ed. the dose is up to you, but i think a little longer might make a more profound effect.

the tren is up to you, just be ready for the sides. yes, you can just lower the dose, especially since your running A, but it might be better to play it safe and just up the dose if you feel ok. starting at 350mg/w would still yield some good gains

[DS21]

If you guys really think 500mgs/w of tren is to much I will try it as followed:

WK 1-12 Test Prop 250mg/w
WK 1-2 Tren Ace 350mg/w
Wk 3-4 Tren Ace 400mg/w
Wk 5-10 Tren Ace 500mg/w
Wk 1-10 Letro .25mg/ed

If the sides get out of hand I will adjust the tren. Does everything look okay?

[T_Own]

yeah, but you don't have to have a set outline for the tren. just go by what you think at the time. like don't feel obligated to up the doses, or to keep them lower, if you feel one way or the other.

[DS21]

I got what you are saying. I am going to pick up 5000mg of tren. I can't wait, only about 30 more days left until I start. Thanks again for all of your help.

[T_Own]

sweet. the other thing is to make sure you have everything on hand when you start (meaning pct stuff) a lot of people don't, and if something falls through they are SOL.

[DS21]

I think I have 5 bottles of letro and trying to find aromasin if not I will get off the letro with l-dex. I just did it on this pct and it worked fine, but I read aromasin is better, what do you think?

[dugyrios1]

test prop and tren was one of the first cycle I ever did.. massive bro gained like 30 lbs , strenght is amazing, be careful, you get to strong for your joints and bones . you wouldnt want your shoulder poppin out or a ruptured tendon.Know your limits

[DS21]

I will keep the reps between 6-10, thanks.

[Michael Scott]

I appreciate your input. My other option was to run it as followed:

WK 1-12 Test Prop 250mg/w
WK 1-8 Tren Ace 500mg/w
Wk 9-12 Winny 500mg/w

In regards to the sides, I have read a lot on tren and the one that I worry about is insomnia. If it is really hard for me to sleep I will take some melatonin or benadryl at night. My diet is really clean, what I ment was I want more muscle growth then test gave me on my last cycle. I know diet is the most important factor for muscle growth, I just thought going from PH to test I would have been inpressed. The sex drive was unreal, but I was hoping to put on a good 15-20lbs of muscle over the three months. From what I've heard tren and test can get you that.

I haven't purchased my gear yet so I am always open to any suggestions.

Thanks

Good luck, but you might want something stronger than melatonin or benadryl. Try and see if you can get a doctor to prescribe you some Lunesta. It's better than Ambien because it can be used for longer amounts of time and remain effective.


also I don't know if you care or not but Winny and Tren will probably be pretty mean to the hair on your head.

[DS21]

I'm not going to use the winny this go around. My cycle will look something like this:

WK 1-12 Test Prop 250mg/w
Wk 1-10 Tren Ace 350-500mg/w depends on sides
Wk 1-10 Letro .25mg/ed

I was wondering, by me uping the dose every week or so will it cause more sides due to blood levels being unstable?

[T_Own]

it shouldn't be that bad. not like when people don't shoot often enough, then you have dramatic spikes every few days, you would only have a couple over the whole cycle