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ok ive already made up my mind that im going to start my first cycle. im 20, 175lbs 14%bf 5'6'' and im going to start with enanthate. i need somebody to help give me a play by play cus im worried about gyno. should i take hcg with my cycle? or tren? and when i come off those would i still take a pct like clomid or novladex?any please? im trying to learn as much as possibe.
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what ur diet? workout sched.?ur goals? bulk or cut?we need info
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Oh boy, You need to do some more research. There is a beginners cycle recommendations on the home page look at that. But you need to research a lot more first.
Anabolic Member
Tren to prevent gyno? Sounds like you're clueless to me. Research
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read some more bro, you dont know nearly enough.. oh dont funk with trenOriginally Posted by joiningthedarkside
ok ive already made up my mind that im going to start my first cycle. im 20, 175lbs 14%bf 5'6'' and im going to start with enanthate. i need somebody to help give me a play by play cus im worried about gyno. should i take hcg with my cycle? or tren? and when i come off those would i still take a pct like clomid or novladex?
Formula1 Aficionado
stick with the enanthate, and read up on pct and all the ancillaries you mentioned
New Member
I was 19 when I did my first cycle. I asked questions and I weighed the pros/cons. At the time it was a viable option.. However, I was ****ING LITERATE.
Where's a bus when you need one?
Just read man.
Oh ya, Hi board. I'm a new guy.
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Test Beginner Cycle Guideok ive already made up my mind that im going to start my first cycle. im 20, 175lbs 14%bf 5'6'' and im going to start with enanthate. i need somebody to help give me a play by play cus im worried about gyno. should i take hcg with my cycle? or tren? and when i come off those would i still take a pct like clomid or novladex?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742
phate's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355504
kale's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179
my (one8nine's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741
estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229
my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013
Got Diet? ~VET~ AR Hall of Famer~
now that a newbie starter pack right there, you have those in word or something don't you so you can copy paste
Associate Member
man this shit is confusing i read one thread and it says take tren for gyno but u guys say its horrible! i read another thread anf it says nolvadex does nothing for gyno? i know i need to take a pct but what would i take during my cycle to prevent the gyno if possible. i know im new at this thats y im asking you guys who know what ur talking about.
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no, you have never read that
read my links, they answer all your questions
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haha are you okay dude? thats like the third time you asked me that...
yeah ha ha i do
Associate Member
haha im cool man this is just getting a little confusing
Banned
does "im cool" mean youre not going to read anything
Formula1 Aficionado
lol tren for gyno would end up good. just take the time to read it thoroughly
(if you read "tren for gyno" you obviously didn't read it thoroughly)
its a lot, but it'll help you tremendously
Associate Member
haha no im reading them now and when i said tren i actually ment letro lol that kinda exlains a little
Formula1 Aficionado
yeah.. that you have trouble typing
lol
Associate Member
ok so from what im reading and correct me if im wrong which i probibly am if i take a cycle of test enanthate taking letro with would cycle would be good but i would still need a pct after my cycle like novladex? and i would take the pct 2 weeks after my last injection? ok ok tell me everything i said wrong
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nolvadex only pct is weak, add proviron or aromasin
Formula1 Aficionado
letro on cycle doesn't mean you don't need pct. and yes, 2 weeks after your last injection with test e
Associate Member
ok thanks but everything else i said sounds ok???
Banned
yes
every cycle needs pct after
i use letro ed on every cycle
Associate Member
man i had no idea there where so many other things you needed to get when you choose to do a cycle. im not sure if im aloud to ask this but where would u get letro, nolvadex,proviron? those arnt steroids so i hope i can ask that
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proviron is not legal
get the rest from www.ar-r.com
Formula1 Aficionado
letro and nolva you can get from ar r, in the top right ad. proviron is a weak steroid, so you're on your own with that one
ahh got me beat there..
Junior Member
is there anything legal u can substitute for proviron?
Formula1 Aficionado
if you're using it as an AI, arimidex or aromasin. letro too but thats a little strong for pct
Associate Member
yeah anyone know?
Formula1 Aficionado
know what?
Junior Member
what else would u use it for if not for an ai?
Associate Member
something legal that would be good
Formula1 Aficionado
some use it for a bridge since its not suppresive. it also can help free up test on cycle, along with being an AI on cycle as well as pct
Associate Member
ok wait if novladex alone isnt powerfull enough and proviron isnt legal and prob hard to get what would be the ideal pct?
Formula1 Aficionado
i told you already...
Associate Member
oh ok im sorry i thought u ment it would be too strong if you took letro with the cycle then did the pct but you where saying all together at the same time would be too strong
Formula1 Aficionado
no i'm saying letro for pct is too strong
aromasin is good
arimidex and nolva kinda counteract, so you'd have to bump up the arimidex dose to ~1mg ed in pct.
clomid should be 25-50mg ed
but just one + nolva
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read these you wont have any pct or on cycle questions about ai/serm
estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229
my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013
Associate Member
ok thanks again just one more question whats and AI
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Anti Estrogens – Two/Three different types, AI (aromatize inhibitor) and SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator), and Cabergoline
AI – The male body naturally wants a 10:1 ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Normal men have about 10mg and 1mg of estrogen every day. Testosterone is produced, and then converted into estrogen in the aromatize enzyme. Just as an example, if one’s Testosterone levels rise to 100mg in one day, one’s body will try to appease that 10:1 ratio and have 10mg of estrogen. Now, with 10mg of estrogen you have the same amount of estrogen as an average woman. An AI greatly reduces or stops this conversion by suppressing aromatize enzymes. Examples: Letrozole, Arimidex, Aromasin, and Proviron
SERM – One can basically think of these as empty placeholders, they look close enough to estrogen that they fill the spots in the tissues that estrogen want to park, so your body will not be able to get signal from the estrogen, effectively giving you time to rid your body of these nasty hormones before they have any devastating effects. Ex: Nolvadex
Cabergoline – lowers progesterone levels in the blood
i just keep copy pasting things from my very first post if you havent caught on
Formula1 Aficionado
gotta read man..
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