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    Quote Originally Posted by x_moe View Post
    Note: I got this FAQ from a different board, only Q#6,7,9,10,11 were added and written by me x_moe and few others that were edited to give you more info., hope you find this helpful.


    1)What is HCG?
    Hcg stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin.

    2)Where does hcg come from?
    It is extracted from the urine of pregnant women.

    3)Is hcg a scheduled medication?
    No, its similar to clomid and liquidex as far as US laws go. However you would need a prescription to purchase legally in the US.

    4)What is hcg normally used for?
    It is used to help females get pregnant, and can be used to stimulate testosterone production in males.

    5)How does hcg work?
    Hcg mimics LH(leutenizing hormone). The presence of LH causes the Leydig cells in the gonads to produce testosterone. This effect also restores the size of the testes rather quickly if they were suppressed from a cycle.

    6)What should hcg be used for?
    Hcg is commonly used by bodybuilders on either very heavy or very long cycles, when the hpta gets severely suppressed. Although hcg can be used in almost any cycle, the benefits are most pronounced on heavy/long ones.

    7)How do you take it?
    You can take it IM or Sub-q.

    8)Can I use hcg only for Pct?
    No you shouldn't. It is better than nothing, but clomid or nolva are far better plans. Since hcg mimics lh, your body wont begin producing its own lh, as it sees no need to because test levels are high. You stop the hcg, your balls stop making test until your body begins producing adequate levels of its own lh, and that may take a while if you don't use clomid or nolvadex to stimulate lh production. The use of Clomid or Nolvadex should also be continued at least 2 weeks after hcg is discontinued to avoid the hcg causing problems.

    9)Can I use hcg during cycle and when?
    Yes you can, imo to best benefit from Hcg is to run it by the last 3-4 weeks of your steroid cycle. Do not run hcg if your getting signs of gyno, hcg will make it worst, so becarful.

    10)How much Hcg is needed during cycle and/or pct?
    For pct a minimum of 10,000iu's hcg is needed. When you have a proper pct planned with a serm and an AI, and you want to run hcg during the last 4 weeks of your cycle, then you might only need 5,000iu's.
    An anti-estrogen (Nolva, etc.) is to be used with hcg during your last 4 weeks of cycle.

    11)What dose do you run hcg at?
    Hcg is best dosed at 500iu and/or 1000iu, more than that can cause too much aromatization, and some people wont react to less than 500iu. So during the last 4 weeks of a cycle, you shoot 500iu of hcg twice a week or 1000iu once a week. For pct, 500iu ed or 1000iu eod.

    12)Can hcg be used w/out steroids to boost test production above baseline?
    Yes. It is not recommended however. Continued use of hcg will desensitize the leydig cells to lh, meaning once you stop using the hcg as an artificial lh, you will crash bad. The natural lh production once restored by using nolvadex or clomid, may not be as effective as it once was. To boost natural test above baseline, anastrozole, nolvadex and clomid are better choices.


    13)How long does hcg boost testosterone for?
    Hcg can boost testosterone for up to 5 days following the last dose, although the drugs halflife is very short, and its no longer active at that point.

    14)Can hcg cause gyno?
    Yes. Estrogen is elevated by two ways from hcg use. Primarily from the sharp rise in testosterone, which allows more testosterone to aromatize to estrogen. Secondly hcg can cause a small amount of estrogen to be produced which is not from the result of aromatizing, and this is the reason that a combination of an anti aromatize such as liquidex/arimidex/letrozole and a estrogen receptor blocker such as nolvadex are ideally used. The nolvadex may also offer some additional benefit to help avoid a negative estrogen feedback to the hpta during hcg therapy, which would otherwise slightly lessen the effectiveness of the therapy.

    15)How does hcg come packaged?
    You get 2 vials or amps, 1 has the powdered hcg in it, and the other has a diluent in it(solvent). The diluent is typically bacteriostatic water, or sterile water w/ .09% sodium chloride. ***ending on the brand and version, the package commonly comes w/ enough diluent to make concentrations ranging from 250-10,000iu per ml.

    If your package is 5000iu, and you add 1ml diluent, you have 5000iu per ml.
    If you add 5ml diluent, you final mix is then 1000iu per ml.
    If you add 10ml diluent, then 500iu per ml and so on.

    This is simple math, and you don't wanna screw it up, know what dose you are taking!

    If your package doesn't include enough diluent to make the concentration you want, you have 2 options to make it easy to accurately measure your doses.

    1-buy some insulin syringes, U-100 type. On the graduated markings, the 100iu mark is equal to 1ml, the 50iu is .5ml etc. THIS DOES NOT MEAN IF YOU FILL IT TO THE 100IU MARK THAT YOU ARE TAKING 100IU OF HCG! Iu's are not a measurement of volume or weight, they are a measure of effectiveness for a desired response from specific drugs/compounds. Every compound is different. These are insulin syringes, and they are made for insulin-not hcg. Insulin is the same iu concentration per ml everytime(if its u100 type), hcg is not. Imagine if you made your hcg 10,000iu per ml. if you fill the insulin syringe up to 100iu mark, you now have 10,000iu in there! Not good. You must understand this.
    So if you had 5000iu per ml, and wanted to take a 500iu shot, you would inject 10iu on the insulin syringe scale.

    2-buy some bacteriostatic water off the internet, its easily found. Simply add more to dilute it to the desired conscentration. Making lower concentrations are easier and more accurately dosed. Then it can accurately be measured w/ a regular syringe.

    Mix the two together, they dissolve very easily. Hcg can be very unstable and to make sure to not shake it and let it foam.... Be careful when reconsituting it . Be gentle and run the bac water down the side of the vial not allowing to foam up... Keep things sterile folks. Unused hcg can be refrigerated and is ok to use within 30 days after the initial mixing.

    Remember: Store hcg at controlled room temperature (59° to 86°F)(15° to 30°C). After reconstituting store in refrigerator (36° to 46°F) (2° to 8°C).

    Absorption
    A detectable rise in hcg is seen in 2 h; peak levels are reached in 6 h and remain at this level for 36 h.

    Elimination
    hcg levels begin to decline at 48 h and approach baseline at 72 h.
    who said that you can run HCG while on cycle.
    there is absolutely no pint of do that. as long as you tests see a high level ot testosterone or androgen in ur blood stream, it will go back to sleep, so wt's the point?!! gettin' bigger balls while on cycle for few days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays View Post
    who said that you can run HCG while on cycle.
    there is absolutely no pint of do that. as long as you tests see a high level ot testosterone or androgen in ur blood stream, it will go back to sleep, so wt's the point?!! gettin' bigger balls while on cycle for few days?
    The consensus is that if you keep your nuts from shuttin down, it's a lot easier to get them producing Testosterone naturally after your cycle is through. Also, many people lose their libido during a cycle for this reason, especially the highly feared Deca-Dick, if that was your choice of roids. This effectively cuts down your PCT, which is very important since during PCT is when we're in a catabolic state losing mucle as we try to get our endogenous testosterone back up running normally. So running 250IUs twice a week through your whole cycle will prevent your nuts from shutting down. Any more than 1000IUs a week would probably start desensitizing the leydig cells.
    Last edited by dannydxd; 09-10-2008 at 01:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannydxd View Post
    The consensus is that if you keep your nuts from shuttin down, it's a lot easier to get them producing Testosterone naturally after your cycle is through. Also, many people lose their libido during a cycle for this reason, especially the highly feared Deca-Dick, if that was your choice of roids. This effectively cuts down your PCT, which is very important since during PCT is when we're in a catabolic state losing mucle as we try to get our endogenous testosterone back up running normally. So running 250IUs twice a week through your whole cycle will prevent your nuts from shutting down. Any more than 1000IUs a week would probably start desensitizing the leydig cells.
    Where do you guys get this BS from?!
    Shut down=No Testosterone production. The only way you keep Testosterone production is by staying on HCG ALL ALONG the cycle which is extremely stupid.

    Once your Testicals detects higher Androgen levels it will shut down, so HCG won't do anything to help you.

    The only use for HCG 'during' a cycle is to GET OFF completely, go on HCG for 3 weeks then back on cycle which is called 'BRIDGING' and that is an old school tecknique and no longer used, cause its useless.

    HCG must be used after cutting off the cycle for REAL benefits.
    Oh by the way, I don't a single REAL body builder who uses HCG at 500 IU.
    common dose is 1500 IU up to 2500 IU every 4th day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays View Post
    Where do you guys get this BS from?!
    Shut down=No Testosterone production. The only way you keep Testosterone production is by staying on HCG ALL ALONG the cycle which is extremely stupid.

    Once your Testicals detects higher Androgen levels it will shut down, so HCG won't do anything to help you.

    The only use for HCG 'during' a cycle is to GET OFF completely, go on HCG for 3 weeks then back on cycle which is called 'BRIDGING' and that is an old school tecknique and no longer used, cause its useless.

    HCG must be used after cutting off the cycle for REAL benefits.
    Oh by the way, I don't a single REAL body builder who uses HCG at 500 IU.
    common dose is 1500 IU up to 2500 IU every 4th day.
    There's tons of information out there regarding hcg use during a cycle. Many of them by folks like Anthony Roberts who has written countless books/articles on steroids, including different types of PCT protocols. Dude, do some research.

    As for the amount of hcg i stated, yes it's low. It's because it's just enough to keep your nuts from shuttin down during a cycle. That's it's primary purpose during a cycle, so very little is used. If you choose to do it near the end of the cycle, yes, you need larger doses, because at that point, the purpose is to get them back up to normal size since they've atrophied (assuming cycles 12+ weeks). So ofcourse it makes sense to use larger doses, duh.

    Doses any higher than 1000IUs per week during a cycle might desensitize the leydig cells.

    Keeping your nuts they're regular size or close to will certainly reduce PCT, don't you think? I've also read a few articles on on folks that have used hcg during a cycle of Test/Deca; the most feared "Deca Dick", and they didn't have any problems at all down there; no loss of libido at all.

    You may continue to call it BS. That's fine. If you're happy with doing things the way you're doing them now, hey, if that works for you, then great, but don't down play new protocols that gain popularity, because you wanna keep it "old school".

    In all honesty, i'm simply relaying tons of research i've done on my own from countless resources regarding hcg and it's usages during or after a cycle. I haven't actually done it myself during a cycle, but i'm certainly going to on my next cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannydxd View Post
    There's tons of information out there regarding hcg use during a cycle. Many of them by folks like Anthony Roberts who has written countless books/articles on steroids, including different types of PCT protocols. Dude, do some research.

    As for the amount of hcg i stated, yes it's low. It's because it's just enough to keep your nuts from shuttin down during a cycle. That's it's primary purpose during a cycle, so very little is used. If you choose to do it near the end of the cycle, yes, you need larger doses, because at that point, the purpose is to get them back up to normal size since they've atrophied (assuming cycles 12+ weeks). So ofcourse it makes sense to use larger doses, duh.

    Doses any higher than 1000IUs per week during a cycle might desensitize the leydig cells.

    Keeping your nuts they're regular size or close to will certainly reduce PCT, don't you think? I've also read a few articles on on folks that have used hcg during a cycle of Test/Deca; the most feared "Deca Dick", and they didn't have any problems at all down there; no loss of libido at all.

    You may continue to call it BS. That's fine. If you're happy with doing things the way you're doing them now, hey, if that works for you, then great, but don't down play new protocols that gain popularity, because you wanna keep it "old school".

    In all honesty, i'm simply relaying tons of research i've done on my own from countless resources regarding hcg and it's usages during or after a cycle. I haven't actually done it myself during a cycle, but i'm certainly going to on my next cycle.
    If that dude up there is your research source, then that is where u messed up.

    he said Anthony Roberts.
    And u telling ME to go do some research?!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannydxd View Post
    There's tons of information out there regarding hcg use during a cycle. Many of them by folks like Anthony Roberts who has written countless books/articles on steroids, including different types of PCT protocols. Dude, do some research.

    As for the amount of hcg i stated, yes it's low. It's because it's just enough to keep your nuts from shuttin down during a cycle. That's it's primary purpose during a cycle, so very little is used. If you choose to do it near the end of the cycle, yes, you need larger doses, because at that point, the purpose is to get them back up to normal size since they've atrophied (assuming cycles 12+ weeks). So ofcourse it makes sense to use larger doses, duh.

    Doses any higher than 1000IUs per week during a cycle might desensitize the leydig cells.

    Keeping your nuts they're regular size or close to will certainly reduce PCT, don't you think? I've also read a few articles on on folks that have used hcg during a cycle of Test/Deca; the most feared "Deca Dick", and they didn't have any problems at all down there; no loss of libido at all.

    You may continue to call it BS. That's fine. If you're happy with doing things the way you're doing them now, hey, if that works for you, then great, but don't down play new protocols that gain popularity, because you wanna keep it "old school".

    In all honesty, i'm simply relaying tons of research i've done on my own from countless resources regarding hcg and it's usages during or after a cycle. I haven't actually done it myself during a cycle, but i'm certainly going to on my next cycle.
    I'm sorry but reading forums is not "Research". Research involves studying FACTS. Not reading every idiots theories and every wanna be guru's bull crap online. There are plenty of people out there who think Anthony Roberts is a fraud. He's not a doctor and he hasn't run clinical trials on all his so called protocols.

    Nothing against him personally. Same goes for all the other internet gurus, Never mind the online every man that goes around all the forums repeating their ideas like they were peer reviewed facts. Then getting half the stuff wrong and misinterpreted plus lost in translation. There is decent info out there but remember even the good info is mostly unproven. Then the other 99% is nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays View Post
    Where do you guys get this BS from?!
    Shut down=No Testosterone production. The only way you keep Testosterone production is by staying on HCG ALL ALONG the cycle which is extremely stupid.

    Once your Testicals detects higher Androgen levels it will shut down, so HCG won't do anything to help you.

    The only use for HCG 'during' a cycle is to GET OFF completely, go on HCG for 3 weeks then back on cycle which is called 'BRIDGING' and that is an old school tecknique and no longer used, cause its useless.

    HCG must be used after cutting off the cycle for REAL benefits.
    Oh by the way, I don't a single REAL body builder who uses HCG at 500 IU.
    common dose is 1500 IU up to 2500 IU every 4th day.
    hi bro , my pct plan for my 6-8 weeks of test p 50-100 mg/ml eod is because tesp p is a short ester then wait 3 days after my last injection and start hcg at dose of 5000 iu every 4 days for 2 weeks with arimidex or letro during this period then going for pct which include clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and nolva @ 40/20/20/20 tell me what do u thing ? is this good plan for my cycle or not ? thank u

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil-1986 View Post
    hi bro , my pct plan for my 6-8 weeks of test p 50-100 mg/ml eod is because tesp p is a short ester then wait 3 days after my last injection and start hcg at dose of 5000 iu every 4 days for 2 weeks with arimidex or letro during this period then going for pct which include clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and nolva @ 40/20/20/20 tell me what do u thing ? is this good plan for my cycle or not ? thank u
    You should run your Hcg on cycle not after

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    You should run your Hcg on cycle not after

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html
    i cant run it during my cycle for some reason , other than tell me what should i do ? tell me is this old protocol is right or not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil-1986 View Post
    i cant run it during my cycle for some reason , other than tell me what should i do ? tell me is this old protocol is right or not ?
    Why can't you run it during your cycle?

    The link I gave you is the best course of action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays View Post
    who said that you can run HCG while on cycle.
    there is absolutely no pint of do that. as long as you tests see a high level ot testosterone or androgen in ur blood stream, it will go back to sleep, so wt's the point?!! gettin' bigger balls while on cycle for few days?
    hcg mimics LH. Since you have exogenous Test in your system, your nuts will shut down because lutenizing hormone will stop gettin produced which is the hormone that keeps your nuts producing Test. So using hcg during cycle will mimic LH, in effect, your normal test production will continue as if you weren't injecting Test. No you won't get bigger balls, they just won't shut down. The benefits here is cutting PCT in half since you don't have to bring your nuts back up to size after your cycle. Secondly, no loss of libido unless not having sex for a long time is not a big deal for you. There are a few other benefits. Research the stuff bro'. Seems like you're happy just the way you're using it. They say if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but what if something can be improved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannydxd View Post
    hcg mimics LH. Since you have exogenous Test in your system, your nuts will shut down because lutenizing hormone will stop gettin produced which is the hormone that keeps your nuts producing Test. So using hcg during cycle will mimic LH, in effect, your normal test production will continue as if you weren't injecting Test. No you won't get bigger balls, they just won't shut down. The benefits here is cutting PCT in half since you don't have to bring your nuts back up to size after your cycle. Secondly, no loss of libido unless not having sex for a long time is not a big deal for you. There are a few other benefits. Research the stuff bro'. Seems like you're happy just the way you're using it. They say if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but what if something can be improved?
    where do u find these info at?
    DUDE, HCG will work for 4-5 days then wt? u'll stay on it for 2-3 weeks max and then wt? get off, right?
    If your cycle is 18 weeks and you wanna use HCG weeks 11-14 lets say. so u saved 3 weeks worth of natty Test?!!
    If you were to take it right after the half life (during the androgen levels drop down) then ur benefit is greater smart ass.

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