Middle Aged Fattie + Anavar= ?

[DSM4Life]

Yes, I plan to supplement my hard work with chemicals to enhance my ability to achieve my goals. Isn't that what EVERYONE here does LMAO

You bust the balls of fat old people who use chemicals to enhance their ability to achieve their goals and when it is a young not fat person who does it (like 95% of the people here do on a routine basis) you.....?

Are you an ageist or a fatist or something lol

No, thats what the noobs do.

What most responsible people do is get their BF down as much as possible naturally. Then when they hit or at least have come close to a plague which you are not, then begin a cycle. Its the smart way to do things.

If you want me to sugar coat an answer to what you want to hear its no gonna happen. I provide everyone with advice on here like i have been treated in the past, honest and direct.

Your going to do what you want but i am telling you its not smart. Its just my opinion if you don't like it just ignore it.

[40plusnewbie]

Your going to do what you want but i am telling you its not smart.

OK. Now we are actually getting somewhere. Please tell me WHY it is not smart. I like information. I don't care much for following the croud. Give me stats. Give me data. Give me facts. I could care less if the status quo around here is 'get your bf down to 12% before doing a cycle'.

I'm 41. There are health concerns I am faced with being overweight for the past decade or so ( a fair portion of that morbidly obese) that 22 yr old fat ppl simply don't have.

My life is also 1/2 over. I"m not interested in wasting any more time being the little train that could...slowly chugging up the moutnain because it's 'expected' of me or because others here do that.

I am my own man. I've done some research and think I have a fairly decent plan to obtain very good resutls over the next 12-14 weeks body comp wise. Anavar is low risk substance.

Step out of the box for a second bro and stop rattling off some rote advice you give to everyone who is either overweight and/or inexperiend lifter.

p.s. The potential to bet on my lack of results is still on the table. I think your words were "with your bf at the point it is a cycle is worthless".

Please define worthless for me if you would be so kind as well.

When all is said and done my 'after pics' will speak for themselves. If I give up and crawl under a rock to lick my wounds what have I lost? I'f I drop 20lbs and recom my body, or at least to betin to, which is no small feat for a 40yo who was a couch potato for 20 years, how much have I gained?

So please hit me with the data not 'most people recommend'... a few hundred year agon most poeople recommended burning witches or going to a barber to get a pint of blood let out of you to get the evil spirits out when you were sick.

If I was supplementing with clen would you have a problem with it? What about with xsenical or olistat?

I'm 41, and just getting into this scene, I certainly am not stupid and dont wan't to take unnecessary risks with reasonably concerning consequences... but you guys have 20 years to build up your bodies. I"m friggin 41 and i've done damage to mine for the past 20 years. I don't have 20 years to ***** foot around and follow some rote beginner strategy.

So let me know why my cycle will be 'worthless' aand any other info that can help me make informed decisions. "Most people say"... dosn't mean jack to me. Most people say government is good. I say it is a scheme, a territorial monopoly with a propaganda machine set in motion to get compliane of all the sheep to willingly turn over over 1/2 of all their income every year and then just watch the news and blame the incumbent and vote for the new guy.
Problem is, they are all on the same team. You continue to get ass raped for more than half of your income no matter whose name you put in the little suggestion box of voting day.

And I'm not one looking for 'sugar coating' that's for damn sure. Give it to me straight. But use data, facts, etc, not ....most poeple say.... If you dont have the skillset to analyze my particular situation that's OK, you don't have to pretend that you do. And if you do, please share the DETAILS.

[DSM4Life]

OK. Now we are actually getting somewhere. Please tell me WHY it is not smart. I like information. I don't care much for following the croud. Give me stats. Give me data. Give me facts. I could care less if the status quo around here is 'get your bf down to 12% before doing a cycle'.

I'm 41. There are health concerns I am faced with being overweight for the past decade or so ( a fair portion of that morbidly obese) that 22 yr old fat ppl simply don't have.

My life is also 1/2 over. I"m not interested in wasting any more time being the little train that could...slowly chugging up the moutnain because it's 'expected' of me or because others here do that.

I am my own man. I've done some research and think I have a fairly decent plan to obtain very good resutls over the next 12-14 weeks body comp wise. Anavar is low risk substance.

Step out of the box for a second bro and stop rattling off some rote advice you give to everyone who is either overweight and/or inexperiend lifter.

p.s. The potential to bet on my lack of results is still on the table. I think your words were "with your bf at the point it is a cycle is worthless".

Please define worthless for me if you would be so kind as well.

When all is said and done my 'after pics' will speak for themselves. If I give up and crawl under a rock to lick my wounds what have I lost? I'f I drop 20lbs and recom my body, or at least to betin to, which is no small feat for a 40yo who was a couch potato for 20 years, how much have I gained?

So please hit me with the data not 'most people recommend'... a few hundred year agon most poeople recommended burning witches or going to a barber to get a pint of blood let out of you to get the evil spirits out when you were sick.

If I was supplementing with clen would you have a problem with it? What about with xsenical or olistat?

I'm 41, and just getting into this scene, I certainly am not stupid and dont wan't to take unnecessary risks with reasonably concerning consequences... but you guys have 20 years to build up your bodies. I"m friggin 41 and i've done damage to mine for the past 20 years. I don't have 20 years to ***** foot around and follow some rote beginner strategy.

So let me know why my cycle will be 'worthless' aand any other info that can help me make informed decisions. "Most people say"... dosn't mean jack to me. Most people say government is good. I say it is a scheme, a territorial monopoly with a propaganda machine set in motion to get compliane of all the sheep to willingly turn over over 1/2 of all their income every year and then just watch the news and blame the incumbent and vote for the new guy.
Problem is, they are all on the same team. You continue to get ass raped for more than half of your income no matter whose name you put in the little suggestion box of voting day.

And I'm not one looking for 'sugar coating' that's for damn sure. Give it to me straight. But use data, facts, etc, not ....most poeple say.... If you dont have the skillset to analyze my particular situation that's OK, you don't have to pretend that you do. And if you do, please share the DETAILS.

That says it all.


Your 40 years old not 80. You have plenty of time.

[40plusnewbie]

That says it all.


Your 40 years old not 80. You have plenty of time.

And it's MY time. MY time to use as I choose.

Again, I ask you to explain to me why my plan to run anavar is 'worthless'.

If it's because you were simply conditioned (are predjuiced) against anyone running a cycle until they are x bf% and have X yrs lifting experience, under any circumstances please explain WHY. Do you have well thought out reasons? Are they valid? Are they valid in my case? I'm here to learn and improve myself bro. If you have something to teach me that I will benefit from, please teach me.

[DSM4Life]

And it's MY time. MY time to use as I choose.

Again, I ask you to explain to me why my plan to run anavar is 'worthless'.

If it's because you were simply conditioned (are predjuiced) against anyone running a cycle until they are x bf% and have X yrs lifting experience, under any circumstances please explain WHY. Do you have well thought out reasons? Are they valid? Are they valid in my case? I'm here to learn and improve myself bro. If you have something to teach me that I will benefit from, please teach me.

Your using gear as a means of a shortcut and in my opinion the risks (sides) aren't worth it. Nothing will substitute hard work. You said you lost a decent amount of BF right ? Then why change things if thats working for you ! Why do you have this need to do a cycle ?

[40plusnewbie]

Your using gear as a means of a shortcut and in my opinion the risks (sides) aren't worth it. Nothing will substitute hard work. You said you lost a decent amount of BF right ? Then why change things if thats working for you ! Why do you have this need to do a cycle ?

Yes, I am using gear as a means of a shorcut. That's not a 'bad' thing to me. I use shortcuts all the time in life and get lots of benefits from doing so.

What sides? Is there something besides my lipid profile I should be concerned about? (If my hair thins out it will actually be a BENEFIT as it is so thick, and as you can tell from my pics I'm covered in it too lol)

I am supplementing hard work, not substituting it. But even if I was mearly substututing hard work with no work to produce results, so what? Isn't getting superior results with less work a good thing? Of course there is a risk vs. reward scale to look at if one is prudent.

I have had the anavar for like 4 months now and have not even started it yet (well I did lick the bowls, etc last night, this morning, and this afternoon because I mixed up and capped it last night lol)- so it's not like I"m chomping on the bit to use steroids. I also have had sino and fina for a few months and have deca and dbols too. I have no plans to use any of them, at least not for a while. I use vitamins too. I use lots of things in my life for a variety of different reasons and think that my choice to use anavar at this time is a wise one that will benefit me a great deal. I think it will accelerate my progress.

I can see why one would counsel a 22 year old to not jump on steroids before getting bf down and getting a cpl years of solid hard lifting behind them, if not more but I see my situation as different. I"m not interested in taking 7-10 years to get the body I want when I can do it in 3 1/2-5. I prefer to get there quicker and enjoy it. I plan to do it responsibly, but that is my plan.

Does everyone here at this site think I am making a terrible decision to use anavar?