check out this first cycle

["Maximus"]

let me put it to you this way,If i knew 21yrs ago what I figured out through trial and error on my own body about 5 yrs ago,I wouldnt have waisted all the $$ and gear I did.you dont have to like or agree what i say but if you listen to me I will save you alot of time and money.I ve trained with guys that have stood on the Olympia stage,yeah,thats no shit,Ive seen what that takes and im not even close,if I had the money I would do the same thing myself but the reality of it is this is more of an addiction then anything else with me (working out,not the drugs) and theres more important things in my life but im pretty dedicated for haveing a family and everything else that keeps me busy

I personally believe,...no,I know 12 week cycles are a waist of time and money

lets look at this,you start your cycle,if your lucky you swell up 20-30 pounds in 3 months time,go off,run PCT which is the harshest thing you can do to your body,lose alot of stregnth and size just to do it all over again??? whats the sense there,if you shut your body down then just keep it shut down,like I said,Ive been on 4 yrs straight,I came of for 2 months about 7 months ago because my wife wanted another baby,,OD'd on clomid and hcg,knocked her up and went back on..Cmon,you tell me where the "lomg term effects of long cycles is" there is none,truth is your body will recover..you guys need to stop believing everything you read,you really do,the info on this board is the same when i first came on it and its a shame because as a whole we have learned so much more,myself and the other Vets comment on it all the time in the Vet forum,its just overwhelming the ammount of bad advice being given,too much to ploice sad to say.

like i said though,you dont have to like or agree with what i am saying,im talking from personal experience,I stopped reading BS articles and threads a long time ago and used myself as a guinea pig

over the yrs ive"
run slin for 17 months straight.....im not a diabetic,that was 3 yrs ago
ran tren at 180mg.ed for 6 months....Ive never been harder,fkn sides got to be unbearable though
anadrol at 250mg for 4 months straight...fkn useless,better off with dbol
test E at 5g a week.....you wanna grow and feel like superman,this is what im talking about...just cant afford to do it forever
I can go on and on

You're the second person who tells me this... that's why I was persuaded to do the 16-24 Wks cycle! And don't get me wrong, nothing can't beat personal experience so I'm with you on this one. I usually recommend the 12 Wks to first timers so they can get to know how they react to the juice and learn how their body responds. But you're right and I completely agree on long cycles! Nevertheless, I don't think it is BS to tell someone who's new to start at 12wks, learn how the drugs in his body react, and then do proper PCT to see what worked or not... imo, that's a true 'test' cycle because then you can push it further on the next run or combine/use other more potent chemicals. About your point above, I completely agree w/you and I was naive about this myself; I coudn't believe how some people would do such long cycles and still not harm themselves... took me sometime to assimilate all that but yes, that's the true way to really make gains last and put up quality mass on.

Thanks for sharing w/us and be on the forums helping as well!

Respect

[DEVLDOG]

You're the second person who tells me this... that's why I was persuaded to do the 16-24 months cycle! And don't get me wrong, nothing can't beat personal experience so I'm with you on this one. I usually recommend the 12 Wks to first timers so they can get to know how they react to the juice and learn how their body responds. But you're right and I completely agree on long cycles! Nevertheless, I don't think it is BS to tell someone who's new to start at 12wks, learn how the drugs in his body react, and then do proper PCT to see what worked or not... imo, that's a true 'test' cycle because then you can push it further on the next run or combine/use other more potent chemicals. About your point above, I completely agree w/you and I was naive about this myself; I coudn't believe how some people would do such long cycles and still not harm themselves... took me sometime to assimilate all that but yes, that's the true way to really make gains last and put up quality mass on.

Thanks for sharing w/us and be on the forums helping as well!

Respect

no problem bro

about the 12 weeks bs comment

lets face it,after the 1st cycle most ppl are hooked on the effects and will do more and more and more,if someone wants to do a 12 week cycle to "feel it out"...thats cool.but at week 12,if you like what the results are....then keep going if you wanna keep progressing,because the sad reality of it is,you will go off, lose stregnth and size (and you will,i dont care what anyone tells you,you will lose alot if not all of it regardless of your diet)get depressed because everyone will ask "hey,did you lose weight"? as a bodybuilder,we hate those words and more then likely this person will just get right back on,thus waisting the drugs he used for pct and after putting his body through pct and getting back to "normal" just go back on and shut it down again.

so go on and stay on,unless you have a change of heart and get some morals all of a sudden

but,to each their own

[michael tyson]

no problem bro

about the 12 weeks bs comment

lets face it,after the 1st cycle most ppl are hooked on the effects and will do more and more and more,if someone wants to do a 12 week cycle to "feel it out"...thats cool.but at week 12,if you like what the results are....then keep going if you wanna keep progressing,because the sad reality of it is,you will go off, lose stregnth and size (and you will,i dont care what anyone tells you,you will lose alot if not all of it regardless of your diet)get depressed because everyone will ask "hey,did you lose weight"? as a bodybuilder,we hate those words and more then likely this person will just get right back on,thus waisting the drugs he used for pct and after putting his body through pct and getting back to "normal" just go back on and shut it down again.

so go on and stay on,unless you have a change of heart and get some morals all of a sudden

but,to each their own

well, if i cant keep 15-20 pounds of lean mass after a 12 week cycle.... AAS is not for me.