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You're the second person who tells me this... that's why I was persuaded to do the 16-24 months cycle! And don't get me wrong, nothing can't beat personal experience so I'm with you on this one. I usually recommend the 12 Wks to first timers so they can get to know how they react to the juice and learn how their body responds. But you're right and I completely agree on long cycles! Nevertheless, I don't think it is BS to tell someone who's new to start at 12wks, learn how the drugs in his body react, and then do proper PCT to see what worked or not... imo, that's a true 'test' cycle because then you can push it further on the next run or combine/use other more potent chemicals. About your point above, I completely agree w/you and I was naive about this myself; I coudn't believe how some people would do such long cycles and still not harm themselves... took me sometime to assimilate all that but yes, that's the true way to really make gains last and put up quality mass on.

Thanks for sharing w/us and be on the forums helping as well!

Respect

no problem bro

about the 12 weeks bs comment

lets face it,after the 1st cycle most ppl are hooked on the effects and will do more and more and more,if someone wants to do a 12 week cycle to "feel it out"...thats cool.but at week 12,if you like what the results are....then keep going if you wanna keep progressing,because the sad reality of it is,you will go off, lose stregnth and size (and you will,i dont care what anyone tells you,you will lose alot if not all of it regardless of your diet)get depressed because everyone will ask "hey,did you lose weight"? as a bodybuilder,we hate those words and more then likely this person will just get right back on,thus waisting the drugs he used for pct and after putting his body through pct and getting back to "normal" just go back on and shut it down again.

so go on and stay on,unless you have a change of heart and get some morals all of a sudden

but,to each their own

[michael tyson]

no problem bro

about the 12 weeks bs comment

lets face it,after the 1st cycle most ppl are hooked on the effects and will do more and more and more,if someone wants to do a 12 week cycle to "feel it out"...thats cool.but at week 12,if you like what the results are....then keep going if you wanna keep progressing,because the sad reality of it is,you will go off, lose stregnth and size (and you will,i dont care what anyone tells you,you will lose alot if not all of it regardless of your diet)get depressed because everyone will ask "hey,did you lose weight"? as a bodybuilder,we hate those words and more then likely this person will just get right back on,thus waisting the drugs he used for pct and after putting his body through pct and getting back to "normal" just go back on and shut it down again.

so go on and stay on,unless you have a change of heart and get some morals all of a sudden

but,to each their own

well, if i cant keep 15-20 pounds of lean mass after a 12 week cycle.... AAS is not for me.