Supplements

[Maverick_J8]

Brilliant post. I couldn't agree more.

Now Universal Nutrition - What do you think of them? Ever used personally?

Specifically looking at the Animal Pak which claims to yield pretty much every vitamin and mineral/amino/performance enhancer under the sun; with the exactly precise dosages needed for a typical bodybuilder. Do you believe all Companies have the stated dosages they claim? Or do you think they're exaggerated as a way to promote a product. A ploy if you will.


Price is very steep though, which is why i'm still skeptical.

[jimmyinkedup]

Brilliant post. I couldn't agree more.

Now Universal Nutrition - What do you think of them? Ever used personally?

Specifically looking at the Animal Pak which claims to yield pretty much every vitamin and mineral/amino/performance enhancer under the sun; with the exactly precise dosages needed for a typical bodybuilder. Do you believe all Companies have the stated dosages they claim? Or do you think they're exaggerated as a way to promote a product. A ploy if you will.


Price is very steep though, which is why i'm still skeptical.

Never used this product. In my opinion again JMO vitamin/mineral supp can be taken in one seperate product. Same with aminos. Then "perfiormance enhancers" can be tinvestigated/tried indivually to see if they work at all. I mean truly if our diet is good ...we dont need crazy levels of vitamnis/minerals..to many fat soluable vitamins isnt healthy and too many h20 soluable are just wasted - harmlessly excreted.. Whey protein has an amazing amino acid profile....i do supp witrh a few aminos for diff specific purposes. Then what are the"performance enhancers?" Id research them again look for publshed studies on compound...not and article in muscle and fitness (what companies generate the most advertising revenue for them...umm the supp companies) if you think thats not a factor on info they publish IMO u r mistaken. Or dont believe a post on a bulletin board ...or a manufacturer claim or manufacturers claim on an unknown study. Thats my take on it..... You will also find in addition to tailoring doses and needs ...you may save money doing this and end up using only min products that work and are safe... JMO

I missed second half of this... I wanna believe all the dosages and ingredients are correct ...its just hard too when there is nothing forcing the companies to do that. I think effects of products are exaggerated way more than dosages. No doubt thats a ploy. All that being said Universal Nutrition has a pretty solid rep in the industry ...what does that mean...i dont really know*L* i know what it should mean..i just dont know if it does. The main component the way i see it in this supp would be preformance enhancers - i viewed ingredients my take is its :
vitamins /minerals / aminos/no2 (nitric oxide) / ginseng / ala (glucose disposal - anti oxidant)/several vit b sources / essentail fatty acids / coenzyme a (which helps sythesize fatty acids)/ iron (blood) / bioflavenoids (vitamin P-prevent vitamin c oxidation and promotes healty blood vessels - need vit c to be effective and some anecdotally believe vice versa)/digestive enzymes(7)

also of note contains inosinne - look what i located on this supp-,"based upon anecdotal reports by Russian and Eastern European athletes, inosine has been investigated for exercise-boosting (ergogenic) effects. However, controlled studies have concluded that inosine does not improve athletic performance and may even impair it."
References:

1. Starling RD, Trappe TA, Short KR, et al. Effect of inosine supplementation on aerobic and anaerobic cycling performance. Med Sci Sports Ex 1996;28:1193–8.

2. Williams MH, Kreider RB, Hunter DW, et al. Effect of inosine supplementation on 3-mile treadmill run performance and VO2 peak. Med Sci Sports Exerc 1990;22:517–22

and this - para amino benzoic acid - PABA is not essential to human health
References:

1. ^ "Para-aminobenzoic acid poisoning". National Institute of Health: National Library of Medicine (2007). Retrieved on 2007-06-19.
2. ^ P. J. Osgood; S. H. Moss, D. J. Davies (1982). "The sensitization of near-ultraviolet radiation killing of mammalian cells by the sunscreen agent para-aminobenzoic acid". Journal of Investigative Dermatology 79 (6): 354–357. doi:10.1111/1523-1747.ep12529409.
3. ^ "Compound Summary on PubChem". PubChem. National Institute of Health: National Library of Medicine (2006). Retrieved on 2006-04-05.

and this - shark cartilage - The benefits of this supplement have not been scientifically proven, nor has shark cartilage been reviewed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

References:

1- Shark Cartilage Supplements Have No Effect, from the American Cancer Society
2- Injunction from the Federal Trade Commission, against Lane Labs-USA, Inc., Cartilage Consultants, Inc.

and this- coolustrum - Few scientific studies suggest that adult human consumption of bovine colostrum is beneficial to general health. Proponents of the use of bovine colostrum by humans as a dietary supplement claim that bovine colostrum raises both general immunity and physical strength, and sometimes cite the few studies of bovine colostrum in humans. Most of these studies do not show great efficacy of normal colostrum for human consumption, but show efficacy for specific health and immunity parameters when using Hyper Immunized colostrum (this is not hyper immunized colostrum so no great efficacy)

References

1. ^ Siber G. (1992) Immune globulin to prevent nosocomial infection. New England Journal of Medicine. 327(4):269-71.[1]
2. ^ Korhonen H.1; Marnila P.1; Gill H.S.2 Milk immunoglobulins and complement factors, British Journal of Nutrition, Volume 84, Supplement s1, 1 November 2000 , pp. 75-80(6) [2]
3. ^ Mitra AK, Mahalanabis D, Ashraf H, Unicomb L, Eeckels R, Tzipori S. Hyperimmune cow colostrum reduces diarrhoea due to rotavirus: a double-blind, controlled clinical trial, Acta Paediatr. 1995 Sep;84(9):996-1001[3]
4. ^ Immuron - Research & Product Development
5. ^ Immuron Flubody

so it contains 4 ingredients with no apparent benefit ..one of which may actually be detrimental to athletic performance. The rest of the ingrdients are spelled out above. One thing they def do is make product sound impressive by using obscure ingredient names instead of just saying vitb6 ...or lechithin or ala ...i dont like that ...no need makes me just suspicious as to why the product needs to look "complicated" to imply effectiveness....or maybe they just dont wanna see it a basic multi vitamin /mineral with efa's and basic bodybuilding supps in it like amino acids /ala/no2 and ginseng for energy and digestive enzymes to aid in digestion (not all that necessary imo...but thats JMO)
I WISH INGREDIENT AMOUNTS WERE LISTED THAT MAKES A BIG BIG IN EFFCTIVENESS

So now you have ingredients and knowledge of their function. In your opionion is it worth it by my caLcuations its 28 bucks +shipping for a 44 day supply (22 at max dosages)- not bad if the ingredients are at effective levels. combines- no2/vitamin/mineral/efa's /ala/ plus ginsing and digestive enzymes.
do you use/believe in the ingredients as individual supps? If so and you already use several or want to use several but dont currently this may be a product for you. Just remeber if u chose this product and are using any of the supps included in it before buying it id discontinuje their use when u start this ...Hope this was helpful.

NOTE _ AFTER SEEING DOSAGES BELOW THIS DOES NOT CONTAIN ENOUGH LARGININE OR PYRODOXINE A KETOGKLUTARATE TO BE EVEN CLOSE TO an NO2 SUPPLEMENT!!

Vitamin / mineral /efa's / ala (thiotic acid) /ginsing / digestive enzymes (kind of unnecessary imo)
so theres your info... is it worth 28 bucks for 44 days(or 22 at max dosage) of above ingredients ? thats the question you need to answer.

[j4ever41]

Never used this product. In my opinion again JMO vitamin/mineral supp can be taken in one seperate product. Same with aminos. Then "perfiormance enhancers" can be tinvestigated/tried indivually to see if they work at all. I mean truly if our diet is good ...we dont need crazy levels of vitamnis/minerals..to many fat soluable vitamins isnt healthy and too many h20 soluable are just wasted - harmlessly excreted.. Whey protein has an amazing amino acid profile....i do supp witrh a few aminos for diff specific purposes. Then what are the"performance enhancers?" Id research them again look for publshed studies on compound...not and article in muscle and fitness (what companies generate the most advertising revenue for them...umm the supp companies) if you think thats not a factor on info they publish IMO u r mistaken. Or dont believe a post on a bulletin board ...or a manufacturer claim or manufacturers claim on an unknown study. Thats my take on it..... You will also find in addition to tailoring doses and needs ...you may save money doing this and end up using only min products that work and are safe... JMO

true i have never taking those vit/min tabs thats got 1000,2000 and 3000 + % of rda in them just seems a little crazy to me,jmo, i do take a multi but i get a 90 day supply for about 7 bucks,marked with usp, and it does not have all those crazy %,does it do any positive good for me i dont know but it does no harm and its cheap. like you say keep a good diet.

[jimmyinkedup]

true i have never taking those vit/min tabs thats got 1000,2000 and 3000 + % of rda in them just seems a little crazy to me,jmo, i do take a multi but i get a 90 day supply for about 7 bucks,marked with usp, and it does not have all those crazy %,does it do any positive good for me i dont know but it does no harm and its cheap. like you say keep a good diet.

a rule i use with several supps...do they def work dunno ..are they safe -yes ....are there scientific reasons they should work or i need them- yes ...are they inexpensive-yes. Hard to really go "wrong" with this isnt it?