Should I CRUISE ? ? ?

[bbminded]

Whats everyone!

Real quick a little about me

29
6ft
245lbs
15 years training
about 8 cycles

I am currently 8 weeks into a 14 week cycle

test E-500mg 1-14wks
deca - 300mgwk 1-12wks
dball 20mg 4-wks
a-dex .5 eod
Ive got nolva, aromasin, and hcg also for pct
So far things have been going awesome. started at 215lbs and am currently at 245.
SO heres the deal, ive always wanted to do and competition and when i looked at the npc shedule they have a show on may 2 which would be perfect for me. There is no way i could do a show in the summer because of the nature of my job at that time. But by the time i finish up my current cycle and run my pct i wouldnt have enough time to start my cut cycle. so would it be ok to maybe run 250mg a week of the test E along with hcg at say 250twice a week starting when i get to the 14th week and then when im say 10weeks out from the show i can start my cut cycle?(thinking about test P,tren a, and mast) i appreciate any input!!

[jethro1]

I would cruise.

[MMArmour]

youre taking 14 ****ing weeks of dbol??

[bbminded]

youre taking 14 ****ing weeks of dbol??

LOL my bad. i meant to say 4 weeks.

[bbminded]

there i ficked it

[MuscleScience]

No I say go off and recover you dont want to get into that habit. Plus you put on thirty lbs already. I bet your BP is through the roof!!!

[DSM4Life]

Mmmm i would cruise

[vishus]

^^^true, i just got done with my bulk cycle and am on PCT, i got a show the second week of may and im taking time off in between and then going to run cut cycle, just easier on my body IMO

[jethro1]

Mmmm i would cruise

Look man we all know u swing the other way, but why don't you actually post something useful in the thread.

[DS21]

Look man we all know u swing the other way, but why don't you actually post something useful in the thread.

Or better yet any thread.

I would post cycle then cut if timing permits.

[bbminded]

No I say go off and recover you dont want to get into that habit. Plus you put on thirty lbs already. I bet your BP is through the roof!!!

i actually check my BP just about every day. its almost always 140 over 80

[DSM4Life]

Look man we all know u swing the other way, but why don't you actually post something useful in the thread.

test E-500mg 1-14wks
deca - 300mgwk 1-12wks
dball 20mg 4-wks

You are :


29
6ft
245lbs
15 years training
about 8 cycles

Whats your BF% ?
Whats your diet ?


You don't know the most important stuff to answer this guys question but you feel a response of "i would cruse" is "useful."

[Matt]

test E-500mg 1-14wks
deca - 300mgwk 1-12wks
dball 20mg 4-wks

You are :


29
6ft
245lbs
15 years training
about 8 cycles

Whats your BF% ?
Whats your diet ?


You don't know the most important stuff to answer this guys question but you feel a response of "i would cruse" is "useful."

Agreed to many people giving out advice before asking for the basics...
And sometimes bad advice..

[bbminded]

not sure about my bf% if i had to guess prob around 10-14% my abs are clearly visible but not ripped to the bone. i have always had a realy fast metabolism. plus my job is basically 8 hours of cardio a day LOL. my diet is pretty consistent. always have a whey shake mixed with gatorade in the morning and another one after my workout. and a casein shake befoe bed. also have a egg sandwich early and a Pb+j sandwich. then another tuna or turkey sandwich. allways have almonds on me. in the evening ill have a huge dinner of either chicken. steak, or halibut with most often brown rice.

[DS21]

If I'm doing my math right, you really wouldn't have time to actually cruise. 6 more weeks of this cycle and then 10 for your cut would put you around may 2nd, right?

[DSM4Life]

not sure about my bf% if i had to guess prob around 10-14% my abs are clearly visible but not ripped to the bone. i have always had a realy fast metabolism. plus my job is basically 8 hours of cardio a day LOL. my diet is pretty consistent. always have a whey shake mixed with gatorade in the morning and another one after my workout. and a casein shake befoe bed. also have a egg sandwich early and a Pb+j sandwich. then another tuna or turkey sandwich. allways have almonds on me. in the evening ill have a huge dinner of either chicken. steak, or halibut with most often brown rice.

So what your saying is that you don't know you daily intake of calories/protein/fats/carbs ?

[bbminded]

So what your saying is that you don't know you daily intake of calories/protein/fats/carbs ?

right im just trying to bulf right now and eat as much as i can but keeping it as clean as i can with of course some cheat meals!

[MuscleScience]

i actually check my BP just about every day. its almost always 140 over 80

Thats systolic hypertension my friend, better up the cardio...

[bbminded]

If I'm doing my math right, you really wouldn't have time to actually cruise. 6 more weeks of this cycle and then 10 for your cut would put you around may 2nd, right?

You know what i think you are just about right on that. would that be stupid to go from a long bulk cycle right into and 10week cut cycle to prepare for a comp. i would of course take a long break after all that to get things back to normal. id really like to do this competition cause as i said there is no way i could do it latter into the summer. other option would be to wait till fall.

[bbminded]

Thats systolic hypertension my friend, better up the cardio...

yea true, however i did read where dave palumbo said that it not uncommon for a bodybuilder higher up in lbs to have a higher systolic just as long as the lower number stays around 80. now that i think about it i usually check my BP not to long after my workouts.

[DSM4Life]

right im just trying to bulf right now and eat as much as i can but keeping it as clean as i can with of course some cheat meals!

Then you are no where near competition level if you don't know this. You need to know/understand how to properly cut/gain/maintain with a given amount of calories (pro/carb/fats). Further more , you shouldn't even be on a cycle.

Or you could just go with jethro1's advice. Up to you.

[bbminded]

Then you are no where near competition level if you don't know this. You need to know/understand how to properly cut/gain/maintain with a given amount of calories (pro/carb/fats). Further more , you shouldn't even be on a cycle.

Or you could just go with jethro1's advice. Up to you.

thats why i plan getting with a trainer/nutrionist to help me prepare for a show. it seems what im doing now is working fine. 30lbs so far and staying lean. and i shoudnt be on a cycle??? ok dude you havent even given and any input to my question.

[jimmyinkedup]

ok you want input - i dont like the idea of cruising and your planning for your contest as far as cycling and diet go obviously is poor and lacking.....

[DSM4Life]

thats why i plan getting with a trainer/nutrionist to help me prepare for a show. it seems what im doing now is working fine. 30lbs so far and staying lean. and i shoudnt be on a cycle??? ok dude you havent even given and any input to my question.

So you are willing to put gear into your body but at the same time not willing to understand the correct food your body needs ?

You want to properly cycle, here is the check list:
Experience - learning what movement works for you- reps - sets - form - type of training ...etc
Diet - (like said above) leaning the amount/types of food you need to maintain/cut/gain with min fat gain.

Finally (IMO) Taking your body to/near its naturally genetic potential.
If you are 240lbs and took gear to get to 300lbs. How would you know that with the proper diet and training you couldn't have made 300lbs naturally, then cycled and gained another 10lbs on top of the 300 ?

You want me to continue to speak the truth or sugar coat stuff ?

[bbminded]

All im doing right now is bulking. im eating as much and as clean as i can. its obviously working so i dont feel the need right now to figure to the "T" how many cals or fats im getting. i know roughly where my protein is. of course when dieting down for a show i will have to make sure to do all those things. I wasnt asking a nutrition question to even begin with and you and gay avatar guy are just being negative. if you cant help me with more info on the pros and cons of cruising for my situation then dont bother taking the time to be negative to my post unless it gonna help

[DSM4Life]

All im doing right now is bulking. im eating as much and as clean as i can. its obviously working so i dont feel the need right now to figure to the "T" how many cals or fats im getting. i know roughly where my protein is. of course when dieting down for a show i will have to make sure to do all those things. I wasnt asking a nutrition question to even begin with and you and gay avatar guy are just being negative. if you cant help me with more info on the pros and cons of cruising for my situation then dont bother taking the time to be negative to my post unless it gonna help

I am helping you by telling you the truth. I would like to see any Vet or mod go against what i am saying here ?

[bbminded]

So you are willing to put gear into your body but at the same time not willing to understand the correct food your body needs ?

You want to properly cycle, here is the check list:
Experience - learning what movement works for you- reps - sets - form - type of training ...etc
Diet - (like said above) leaning the amount/types of food you need to maintain/cut/gain with min fat gain.

Finally (IMO) Taking your body to/near its naturally genetic potential.
If you are 240lbs and took gear to get to 300lbs. How would you know that with the proper diet and training you couldn't have made 300lbs naturally, then cycled and gained another 10lbs on top of the 300 ?

You want me to continue to speak the truth or sugar coat stuff ?

again my question has to do with Cruisin. i know where asked for nutrition advise. had i done that i would have posted in that section.

[seriousmass]

Whats everyone!

Real quick a little about me

29
6ft
245lbs
15 years training
about 8 cycles

I am currently 8 weeks into a 14 week cycle

test E-500mg 1-14wks
deca - 300mgwk 1-12wks
dball 20mg 4-wks
a-dex .5 eod
Ive got nolva, aromasin, and hcg also for pct
So far things have been going awesome. started at 215lbs and am currently at 245.
SO heres the deal, ive always wanted to do and competition and when i looked at the npc shedule they have a show on may 2 which would be perfect for me. There is no way i could do a show in the summer because of the nature of my job at that time. But by the time i finish up my current cycle and run my pct i wouldnt have enough time to start my cut cycle. so would it be ok to maybe run 250mg a week of the test E along with hcg at say 250twice a week starting when i get to the 14th week and then when im say 10weeks out from the show i can start my cut cycle?(thinking about test P,tren a, and mast) i appreciate any input!!

I just did the math... this doesn't make sense. You still have what 6 weeks left in your cycle correct?? and you want to run a 10 week cutting cycle.. prior to May 2nd??

1.) That doesn't give you any time to cruise. (May 2nd is 14 weeks away). So essentially what you're proposing is ending your current bulking cycle, and then jumping right onto a cutting cycle correct?? and thus never giving your body any time whatsoever so recover.

2.) Since you aren't going to be "cruising" since you don't have a proper time frame you are going to be shutdown for what.. this cycle + another cycle = 4 -5 months.

I actually agree with DSM... you don't sound like you're prepared.

[bbminded]

im not saying your wrong but that wasnt my question dude. i understand that when i dedcide to do a show im gonna have to get a diet plan down but im not in that situation yet.

[DSM4Life]

again my question has to do with Cruisin. i know where asked for nutrition advise. had i done that i would have posted in that section.

Your head is as thick as a rock. If someone just told you they feel you shouldn't be on a cycle at all, what do you think the answer would be to them asking you if they should cruise.

You are making my brain hurt.

[romo6]

I will say one thing, you better make sure and be prepared to what can happen when you cruise.HRT for life.Or one hell of a long hard miserably pct recovery.

[DSM4Life]

im not saying your wrong but that wasnt my question dude. i understand that when i dedcide to do a show im gonna have to get a diet plan down but im not in that situation yet.

But why not get on a diet right now ? Why cycle without a proper diet ? Answer this for me ?

(im not being a #ick just curious)

[bbminded]

dude seriously...... im not eating freaking cakes and junk food everyday. im eating cleaning and getting enough protein, carbs at the right time and healthy fats. i go with how i feel my body is responding and the way it is developing. if i start getting fat then yea i would guess id need to look at what im eating but im getting bigger and leaner so i must be doing something right.

[seriousmass]

dude seriously...... im not eating freaking cakes and junk food everyday. im eating cleaning and getting enough protein, carbs at the right time and healthy fats. i go with how i feel my body is responding and the way it is developing. if i start getting fat then yea i would guess id need to look at what im eating but im getting bigger and leaner so i must be doing something right.

I just don't understand how you justify being ready to cruise when you don't even know your macro's yet. Moreover, you have no meal plan. And you want to hire a nutritionist... sometime??? Oh.. and you don't even know your own BF%..

But you think that you're ready for a competition...

Can you answer my question about the cycle times.. because something isn't right.

[jimmyinkedup]

seriously if you spent the time you are wasting here asking about cruising when you dont have time to even cruise ...and cycles for a contest where your cycle timing is obviously wayy off - well lets just say your time would be better spent on your "i go by how i feel" diet...thats good advice u r getting - i wouldnt dismiss it.......

[bbminded]

i can see what your saying about how close i would be cutting it. if i do go 14 weeks then it might just run right into a cutting cycle unless i end my current one at 10weeks and cruise up to my cutting cycle and maybe start it 6-8weeks out since i stay lean anyways. serioulsy though guys i didnt ask any question regarding nutrition. i dont know why you all are giving me so much crap about it. i am FULLY aware that ill have to dial my nutrition in when preparing for a show. I see so many guys coming on here asking stupid question and not giving any of there stats and they dont get as hard of a time as im getting. If you think its not a good idea to run such a long cycle and i should wait till fall then say that. or if you have or have known other who have stayed on for a long time but then went off and and pct and stayed off a little longer to get things back to normal then please tell me that and explain.

[seriousmass]

i can see what your saying about how close i would be cutting it. if i do go 14 weeks then it might just run right into a cutting cycle unless i end my current one at 10weeks and cruise up to my cutting cycle and maybe start it 6-8weeks out since i stay lean anyways. serioulsy though guys i didnt ask any question regarding nutrition. i dont know why you all are giving me so much crap about it. i am FULLY aware that ill have to dial my nutrition in when preparing for a show. I see so many guys coming on here asking stupid question and not giving any of there stats and they dont get as hard of a time as im getting. If you think its not a good idea to run such a long cycle and i should wait till fall then say that. or if you have or have known other who have stayed on for a long time but then went off and and pct and stayed off a little longer to get things back to normal then please tell me that and explain.

k well I'll be the first to say you shouldn't cruise. Your schedule does not permit it. Leaving the nutritional aspect behind, you are going to put your body through hell. Even if you end this cycle early lets say 12 weeks instead of 14... and you run 250mg EW until you start your cutting cycle in what 4 weeks after that??? you will still be shut down for a prolonged period of time.

You're coming off a deca cycle (with no PCT) and you're proposing being on test for 5 months. The PCT will be horrible, and you're going to regret it.

I'd just give it time. Wait until you're way more prepared. You're only 29... plenty of time to compete in the future man. You don't want to be put on HRT for the rest of your life before you're even 30..

[bbminded]

k well I'll be the first to say you shouldn't cruise. Your schedule does not permit it. Leaving the nutritional aspect behind, you are going to put your body through hell. Even if you end this cycle early lets say 12 weeks instead of 14... and you run 250mg EW until you start your cutting cycle in what 4 weeks after that??? you will still be shut down for a prolonged period of time.

You're coming off a deca cycle (with no PCT) and you're proposing being on test for 5 months. The PCT will be horrible, and you're going to regret it.

I'd just give it time. Wait until you're way more prepared. You're only 29... plenty of time to compete in the future man. You don't want to be put on HRT for the rest of your life before you're even 30..

finally a helpful answer. thats all i was looking. thanks dude!!

[Immortal Soldier]

Alright all you guys need to give a guy a ****ing break. You are all bagging on him and quick to point out his errors and continue to repeat it like parrot.

We obviously know his diet isn't down and he doesn't have macros, we don't need 10 posts saying the same thing. Instead answer the guys ****ing question.

Seriously, point out his errors then answer his thing instead of just saying the same thing over and over by 10 different people.



Since no one else wants to do the long and dirty I will do it.


To the OP:

1. Cruising is not something to be taken lightly and should only be used when you have experience in cycling and want to take the next step. Right now I can tell you are not ready. 29 is not the age to be going on cruising you are still young and your test levels while not what they use to be are still enough to build muscle without. HRT is a serious thing.

2. Sign up for the account called FitDay

http://www.fitday.com/

You can monitor your macros for free and you won't need a nutritionist to tell you what your eating. Plus this will help you monitor where you need to (carbs, protein,etc.) and help improve your diet immensly.

3. Do not do the competition on May 2nd. Instead do this cycle and bulk then take the adequate amount of time off and run the cutter in summer and compete in Fall. (You will have a better chance of winning and you will spare your health in the process)

[seriousmass]

Alright all you guys need to give a guy a ****ing break. You are all bagging on him and quick to point out his errors and continue to repeat it like parrot.

We obviously know his diet isn't down and he doesn't have macros, we don't need 10 posts saying the same thing. Instead answer the guys ****ing question.

Seriously, point out his errors then answer his thing instead of just saying the same thing over and over by 10 different people.



Since no one else wants to do the long and dirty I will do it.


To the OP:

1. Cruising is not something to be taken lightly and should only be used when you have experience in cycling and want to take the next step. Right now I can tell you are not ready.

2. Sign up for the account called FitDay

http://www.fitday.com/

You can monitor your macros for free and you won't need a nutritionist to tell you what your eating. Plus this will help you monitor where you need to improve your diet and help improve your diet immensly.

3. Do not do the competition on May 2nd. Instead do this cycle and bulk then take the adequate amount of time off and run the cutter in summer and compete in Fall.

Talking about repetition, I just said this ALL 2 post up buddy. But thanks for clearing it up for everyone