Free Diet advice by Narkissos & Novastepp: Intro to Performance Nutrition 101

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question guys..

due to a recent shift in my work schedule, i am forced to do all of my workouts in the early mornings (5 am)..

diet wise, what should i do for my Pre workout meal, post workout meal..and Breakfast?

like should I try and workout on an empty stomach and then combine a post workout shake with my first meal of the day?

or should I eat a small meal @ like 430 am...(egg whites and oats)...then a workout shake afterwards?

its a monkey wrench that im having trouble figuring out whats best for my body and gains..

thanks

[mousetraps]

btw... re: 2614kcals daily average.

I hope you haven't been eating the same amount daily.

correct, I have been carb cycling.. calories are roughly 3000 on hi, 2500 on low, and 2000 on no.

[novastepp]

question guys..

due to a recent shift in my work schedule, i am forced to do all of my workouts in the early mornings (5 am)..

diet wise, what should i do for my Pre workout meal, post workout meal..and Breakfast?

like should I try and workout on an empty stomach and then combine a post workout shake with my first meal of the day?

or should I eat a small meal @ like 430 am...(egg whites and oats)...then a workout shake afterwards?

its a monkey wrench that im having trouble figuring out whats best for my body and gains..

thanks

i don't think you know how respectable it is for your first post to be in this section. i will then give you some invaluable advice, do some research here. you are moving in the right direction and many of the questions that have been asked in this section will benefit you in some way.

now to your question. NEVER workout on empty. ever (thattakes exemption to some forms of light cardio). have a meal before you workout, and your idea of oats and egg whites would easily fit that mold. then just continue with your PWO offering and subsequent meals. Don't treat it differently than any of your other workouts. eat, train, and eat.

as far as "best for your body and gains", that would be your entire dietary approach. and if you would like to post up what you're eating throughout the day, along with your stats and any/all applicable info, we'd be even better equipped to give advice.

[mhafez]

I'm 6''6' tall 220 lb with 15% bf. My new diet is as follows

Meal 1 (Pre-workout)
2 whole eggs/ 6 egg whites / 1.5 cups oatmeal / 200 ml milk
63.8 gm protein / 108.28 gm carbs

2 Scoops Whey 10 mins before my workout
workout
1 scoop whey after workout


Meal 2 (PWO)
10 oz. beef / 2 cups whole wheat rice / veg.
70.5 gm protein / 113 gm carbs

Meal 3
2 cans tuna (6 oz. can) with 4 tbs olive oil
93 gm protein / 54 gm fats

Meal 4
9 oz. black beans / 2 toast whole wheat bread
29 gm protein / 81.5 gm carbs

Meal 5
8 oz. chicken breast / 1.5 tbs Flaxseed oil
52 gm protein / 21 gm fats

That turns out into

380.3 gm protein/day
355 gm carbs/day
75 gm fats/day

Plz tell me what you think

[ckyass]

nark how do you find time to do this? AND sing on facebook at the same time? You amaze me

[Andro9]

I'm 6''6' tall 220 lb with 15% bf. My new diet is as follows

Meal 1 (Pre-workout)
2 whole eggs/ 6 egg whites / 1.5 cups oatmeal / 200 ml milk
63.8 gm protein / 108.28 gm carbs

2 Scoops Whey 10 mins before my workout
workout
1 scoop whey after workout


Meal 2 (PWO)
10 oz. beef / 2 cups whole wheat rice / veg.
70.5 gm protein / 113 gm carbs

Meal 3
2 cans tuna (6 oz. can) with 4 tbs olive oil
93 gm protein / 54 gm fats

Meal 4
9 oz. black beans / 2 toast whole wheat bread
29 gm protein / 81.5 gm carbs

Meal 5
8 oz. chicken breast / 1.5 tbs Flaxseed oil
52 gm protein / 21 gm fats

That turns out into

380.3 gm protein/day
355 gm carbs/day
75 gm fats/day

Plz tell me what you think

i can already tell you need to spread your meals out more. you eat way to much in one sitting

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i don't think you know how respectable it is for your first post to be in this section. i will then give you some invaluable advice, do some research here. you are moving in the right direction and many of the questions that have been asked in this section will benefit you in some way.

now to your question. NEVER workout on empty. ever (thattakes exemption to some forms of light cardio). have a meal before you workout, and your idea of oats and egg whites would easily fit that mold. then just continue with your PWO offering and subsequent meals. Don't treat it differently than any of your other workouts. eat, train, and eat.

as far as "best for your body and gains", that would be your entire dietary approach. and if you would like to post up what you're eating throughout the day, along with your stats and any/all applicable info, we'd be even better equipped to give advice.

no doubt man..you right, this tread is amazingly imformative and Its taken me two days of sitting at work to get through most all of it...Ive taken notes and such like im a kid in school again...but here goes...

I'm 25 years old, 6ft 4 and 186lbs (11% bf) as of this morning. I played a few years of pro-baseball and was conditioned to eat a certain way that was described by my trainers. Basically tons of carbs, moderate protein intake, and exclusion of fats and sugars. There wasnt a whole lot of balance.

Last years was my first year out of pro ball and I decided to take care of some house cleaning with my body. So i had a torn groin surgically repaired and I had my entire right shoulder completely rebuilt (cuff, labrium, bicep tendon)...I took 6 month off, lost 15 pounds, ate like shit...played a lot of video games.

Now Im trying to construct a diet that helps me get back up to 210-215 I feel is my best playing weight. But doing it the right way..and doing it the right way means no short cuts, no cycles, nothing but a solid diet as the foundation and lots of kick ass time in the gym to build on

a day like today, my diet looked something like this..

430am
1 cup egg whites
2 slices whole wheat toast

500am
26 gram carb shake
1 scoop NO explode

(workout)

645am
Protein shake (44g protein)
2 cups whole oats

1015am
2 cups vanilla yogurt 1% milk fat
1 cup all natural granola

1245pm
10oz chicken breast, with cayane pepper
3 cups of green beans

3pm
2 PB and J sandwiches
(whole wheat bread, all natural PB, sugar free jelly)

530pm
apple

830pm
Boneless pork cutlet
1/2 cup of spagetti
diced tomatoes

bed 1015

basically breaks down to

3400cal, 220 grams of protein, 81 grams fat



thanks guys, this tread is awesome

[mhafez]

i can already tell you need to spread your meals out more. you eat way to much in one sitting

i can add one more meal...but what about the carbs & protein, do i need more/less?

[rickrick55]

hey guys, can you take a look at this?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=374949

Thanks!

[novastepp]

I'm 6''6' tall 220 lb with 15% bf. My new diet is as follows

Meal 1 (Pre-workout)
2 whole eggs/ 6 egg whites / 1.5 cups oatmeal / 200 ml milk
63.8 gm protein / 108.28 gm carbs

2 Scoops Whey 10 mins before my workout
workout
1 scoop whey after workout

you could have carbs/pro before and after your workout to better fuel and repair a workout. i would go go with a scoop of whey and an apple before if i were you, and then two scoops of whey with milk after. that is one idea, there are endless combos of pre and post workout meals, however.

Meal 2 (PWO)
10 oz. beef / 2 cups whole wheat rice / veg.
70.5 gm protein / 113 gm carbs

Meal 3
2 cans tuna (6 oz. can) with 4 tbs olive oil
93 gm protein / 54 gm fats

Meal 4
9 oz. black beans / 2 toast whole wheat bread
29 gm protein / 81.5 gm carbs

would add a better protein source here along with teh beans and whole wheat. chicken steak, beef, porkchops, tuna, eggs...

Meal 5
8 oz. chicken breast / 1.5 tbs Flaxseed oil
52 gm protein / 21 gm fats

That turns out into

380.3 gm protein/day
355 gm carbs/day
75 gm fats/day

Plz tell me what you think

your caloric requirements are close. i have you at ~3800 a day, and you are taking in 3615 with your current schema. now i feel like you are definitely eating "clean" foods. but the problem lies with your timing. your meals are too calorie dense for a guy your size and should be smaller. with simple division you find an easy way to figure out your meal requirements.

380g protein, over 6 meals = 63g per meal.
355g carbs, over 6 meals = 60g per meal.
75g fat, over 6 meals = 12.5g per meal.

now i realize those are generalizations, and you are separating your fats and carbs, but maybe eat a fattier food so you can accurately eat one pro/fat meal before bed or to start the day.

also, those numbers accurately depict a MAINTENANCE diet, what are you planning to do with your diet? cut or bulk or recomposition? those numbers would change in regard to your dietary needs.

[novastepp]

a day like today, my diet looked something like this..

430am
1 cup egg whites
2 slices whole wheat toast

500am
26 gram carb shake
1 scoop NO explode

(workout)

645am
Protein shake (44g protein)
2 cups whole oats

2 cups of oats here is going to be too many carbs at one sitting. spread that out into two meals. that other cup of oats would go great with teh next meal...

1015am
2 cups vanilla yogurt 1% milk fat
1 cup all natural granola

maybe try cottage cheese with cinnamon and splenda instead of that yogurt?

1245pm
10oz chicken breast, with cayane pepper
3 cups of green beans

3pm
2 PB and J sandwiches
(whole wheat bread, all natural PB, sugar free jelly)

eh', i'd make a chicken and broccoli meal here. something with more protein and a better basis for growth.

530pm
apple

not going to cut it here either. you're training now, your body is going to constantly be trying to repair with aminos, healthy fats and complex carbs. so give it what it needs. a nice steak, handful of almonds, and a swet potato.

830pm
Boneless pork cutlet
1/2 cup of spagetti
diced tomatoes

bed 1015

basically breaks down to

3400cal, 220 grams of protein, 81 grams fat



thanks guys, this tread is awesome

i see what you've provided, but the macros are needed to best address a diet, try and provide those. many of your selections are good, but I have commented on some of the not-so-good ones.

[novastepp]

nark how do you find time to do this? AND sing on facebook at the same time? You amaze me

he's a gypsy.

[novastepp]

hey guys, can you take a look at this?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=374949

Thanks!

i'm on board...

[novastepp]

Nark, how about that literature/experience with "tubers/potatoes"? i cannot find it! geez, i'm being asked questions about it and I can't find it anywhere. lil' help here, big man.

[mhafez]

your caloric requirements are close. i have you at ~3800 a day, and you are taking in 3615 with your current schema. now i feel like you are definitely eating "clean" foods. but the problem lies with your timing. your meals are too calorie dense for a guy your size and should be smaller. with simple division you find an easy way to figure out your meal requirements.

380g protein, over 6 meals = 63g per meal.
355g carbs, over 6 meals = 60g per meal.
75g fat, over 6 meals = 12.5g per meal.

now i realize those are generalizations, and you are separating your fats and carbs, but maybe eat a fattier food so you can accurately eat one pro/fat meal before bed or to start the day.

also, those numbers accurately depict a MAINTENANCE diet, what are you planning to do with your diet? cut or bulk or recomposition? those numbers would change in regard to your dietary needs.

Thank you for your answer
i'm trying to bulk...but i cant eat more than that it's too much food for me...i mean 8 eggs & 1.5 cup oats with milk is not an easy meal, and 9 oz. black beans with bread thats too much.
and i really need to bulk, so plz give me some ideas

[novastepp]

Thank you for your answer
i'm trying to bulk...but i cant eat more than that it's too much food for me...i mean 8 eggs & 1.5 cup oats with milk is not an easy meal, and 9 oz. black beans with bread thats too much.
and i really need to bulk, so plz give me some ideas

i did. smaller meals, with an added one in there somewhere. smaller portions more often should be much easier than CRAMMING, like you're doing.

you will need more cals and after 3 weeks, it should be easier. myself, i now crave food at the 3 hour mark, even if i'm pounding it.

[mhafez]

i did. smaller meals, with an added one in there somewhere. smaller portions more often should be much easier than CRAMMING, like you're doing.

you will need more cals and after 3 weeks, it should be easier. myself, i now crave food at the 3 hour mark, even if i'm pounding it.

will do
thank you for your help

[BlackHat]

Need some help please on my "new to the diet business thread" or should i post all the info here ?

Id appreciate it if you had a look at it and gave me your opinions and feedback.

Thanks alot in advance

[C MacKn]

Hey guys, I need help on my diet! I am 5 ''11,weigh 155 pounds, and have 8 % BF. I am very dedicated to training but my diet has not been the best and based off what I have been reading that is why I am not gaining weight. I will list below the diet that I was given by a trainer at my gym but some of you said that it suck for bulking at thats what I am trying to do. I would appreciate it if someone could write me out a diet that would fit my needs and be the right amount of calories for me to start gaining. I will list below what this trainer gave me to bulk up. Also the pre- workout I am taking says to take on an empty stomach and to wait 2 hours after I eat and this gets in the way of my diet sice I normaly lift for about 2 hours. Any suggestions on what to do preworkout, is it really necessary to have a complete emty stomach?

Meal 1- 1/2 cup oats, 1 whole egg 3 egg white, 1 scoop protein
Meal 2- 2 scoop protein, 3 rice cakes
Meal 3- 8 oz chicken, 1 cup brown rice, 1 cup veggies
Meal 4- 2 scoop protein, 1 tbsp MCT
Meal 5- 8 oz chicken, 1 cup beans, 1 cup veggies
Meal 6- 2 scoop protein, 1 tbsp MCT

[srebrenica]

my stats are
18 years old
5'10
193 pounds
11% bf
i need some help i havent really had diet before i stay away from protein shakes this all i came up with
This is what have so far i want to stay away from protein shakes i want to have around 4,000 calories 300grams of protein
Meal 1 Pro/Carb
8 egg whites 1 cup of oatmeal

Meal 2 Pro/Fat
Lean Ground Beef?

Meal 3 Pro/Carb
Chicken Breast ?

Meal 5
not sure

Meal 6

Boneless skinless Chicken Breast ?

Meal 7 Pro/Fat
Protein choice ?

Meal 8
before bed ?

i know needs alot of work any advice would thnx in advance

[novastepp]

Need some help please on my "new to the diet business thread" or should i post all the info here ?

Id appreciate it if you had a look at it and gave me your opinions and feedback.

Thanks alot in advance

be there in a lil.

[novastepp]

Hey guys, I need help on my diet! I am 5 ''11,weigh 155 pounds, and have 8 % BF. I am very dedicated to training but my diet has not been the best and based off what I have been reading that is why I am not gaining weight. I will list below the diet that I was given by a trainer at my gym but some of you said that it suck for bulking at thats what I am trying to do. I would appreciate it if someone could write me out a diet that would fit my needs and be the right amount of calories for me to start gaining. I will list below what this trainer gave me to bulk up. Also the pre- workout I am taking says to take on an empty stomach and to wait 2 hours after I eat and this gets in the way of my diet sice I normaly lift for about 2 hours. Any suggestions on what to do preworkout, is it really necessary to have a complete emty stomach?

Meal 1- 1/2 cup oats, 1 whole egg 3 egg white, 1 scoop protein
Meal 2- 2 scoop protein, 3 rice cakes
Meal 3- 8 oz chicken, 1 cup brown rice, 1 cup veggies
Meal 4- 2 scoop protein, 1 tbsp MCT
Meal 5- 8 oz chicken, 1 cup beans, 1 cup veggies
Meal 6- 2 scoop protein, 1 tbsp MCT

i can tell you are a novice, but I'm going to try and help you. read up on the majority of the threads now in the diet section. there are some decent one's floating around.

here is how to properly post a diet http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=341994

that shows macros and food choices throughout eh day along with totals.

you meals 3 and 5 are very suitable, and others should look more like that. with a few protein sources that sit well with you, and carb choices that also don't bloat you and give you energy. using the KATCH MCARDLE formula, i put you around 2661 kcals a day to build muscle. start from there and then reevaluate every couple of weeks. post any questiosn you have in this thread and we'll get to them.

i would also again, make more whole meals and try to cut back on the shakes.

now MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY; do NOT workout on an empty stomach. eat a pro/carb meal about an hour before you begin lifting/training and pro/carb offering after your workout. if u do a search for "pwo" you will find a lot of garbage and some informative stuff. concentrate on ideas and general rules to nutrition surrounding workouts. again, let us know if u have any questions.

[novastepp]

my stats are
18 years old
5'10
193 pounds
11% bf
i need some help i havent really had diet before i stay away from protein shakes this all i came up with
This is what have so far i want to stay away from protein shakes i want to have around 4,000 calories 300grams of protein
Meal 1 Pro/Carb
8 egg whites 1 cup of oatmeal

Meal 2 Pro/Fat
Lean Ground Beef?

Meal 3 Pro/Carb
Chicken Breast ?

Meal 5
not sure

Meal 6

Boneless skinless Chicken Breast ?

Meal 7 Pro/Fat
Protein choice ?

Meal 8
before bed ?

i know needs alot of work any advice would thnx in advance

what are you currently getting from this diet?

what are your goals?

what did you do to get to 193 and 11%bf?

[srebrenica]

my goal is to be 205 i started working out when i was 16 didn't really have diet i ate what i thought was good chicken tuna i dont want my diet to have protein shakes so can you help build my diet

[C MacKn]

i can tell you are a novice, but I'm going to try and help you. read up on the majority of the threads now in the diet section. there are some decent one's floating around.

here is how to properly post a diet http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=341994

that shows macros and food choices throughout eh day along with totals.

you meals 3 and 5 are very suitable, and others should look more like that. with a few protein sources that sit well with you, and carb choices that also don't bloat you and give you energy. using the KATCH MCARDLE formula, i put you around 2661 kcals a day to build muscle. start from there and then reevaluate every couple of weeks. post any questiosn you have in this thread and we'll get to them.

i would also again, make more whole meals and try to cut back on the shakes.

now MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY; do NOT workout on an empty stomach. eat a pro/carb meal about an hour before you begin lifting/training and pro/carb offering after your workout. if u do a search for "pwo" you will find a lot of garbage and some informative stuff. concentrate on ideas and general rules to nutrition surrounding workouts. again, let us know if u have any questions.

Thanks for the response you obviously know your shit!! Here's a diet you linked me to but I am unsure about the last meal. I don't know what f/f cc and TB BB are. Let me know if you think this would be good for me.
Meal 1:
15g BCAA's
1 chicken breast
1 cup oats
500 cals, 56g protein, 54g carbs, 6g fat

Meal 2:
1 chicken breast
3 pieces ezekiel WW bread
500 cals, 67g protein, 63g carbs, 0.3g fat

Meal 3:
1 chicken breast
1 cup oats
500 cals, 56g protein, 54g carbs, 7g fat

Meal 4 PRE-WORKOUT:
15g BCAA's
1 chicken breast
1 cup oats
500 cals, 56g protein, 54g carbs, 7g fat

Meal 5 PWO:
15g BCAA's
1 scoop whey
1 cup f/f cottage cheese
1/2 cup oats
1 large banana
499 cals, 54.5g protein, 63.8g carbs, 5g fat

Meal 6 PPWO:
1 chicken breast
1 cup oats
500 cals, 56g protein, 54g carbs, 7g fat

Meal 7:
6oz top sirloin
1/2 cup oats
461 cals, 56.9g protein, 27g carbs, 12.8g fat

Meal 8:
1 cup f/f CC
2 TB PB
333 cals, 30g protein, 7.7g carbs, 19g fat

TOTAL: 3,793 cals, 432.4g protein, 377.5g carbs, 66.1g fat

[srebrenica]

whats bcaa's

[novastepp]

my goal is to be 205 i started working out when i was 16 didn't really have diet i ate what i thought was good chicken tuna i dont want my diet to have protein shakes so can you help build my diet

i wont build you a diet man. but there are examples in this thread and stickys atop the diet section to help give you a start.

[novastepp]

Thanks for the response you obviously know your shit!! Here's a diet you linked me to but I am unsure about the last meal. I don't know what f/f cc and TB BB are. Let me know if you think this would be good for me.
Meal 1:
15g BCAA's
1 chicken breast
1 cup oats
500 cals, 56g protein, 54g carbs, 6g fat

Meal 2:
1 chicken breast
3 pieces ezekiel WW bread
500 cals, 67g protein, 63g carbs, 0.3g fat

Meal 3:
1 chicken breast
1 cup oats
500 cals, 56g protein, 54g carbs, 7g fat

Meal 4 PRE-WORKOUT:
15g BCAA's
1 chicken breast
1 cup oats
500 cals, 56g protein, 54g carbs, 7g fat

Meal 5 PWO:
15g BCAA's
1 scoop whey
1 cup f/f cottage cheese
1/2 cup oats
1 large banana
499 cals, 54.5g protein, 63.8g carbs, 5g fat

Meal 6 PPWO:
1 chicken breast
1 cup oats
500 cals, 56g protein, 54g carbs, 7g fat

Meal 7:
6oz top sirloin
1/2 cup oats
461 cals, 56.9g protein, 27g carbs, 12.8g fat

Meal 8:
1 cup f/f CC
2 TB PB
333 cals, 30g protein, 7.7g carbs, 19g fat

TOTAL: 3,793 cals, 432.4g protein, 377.5g carbs, 66.1g fat

haha, no no no. i was showing you a way to create a diet. you'll have to tailor it to your needs in regard to calories and in regard to macros. do the diligence and tailor it to those requirements i posted in the earlier post.

f/f CC is fat free cottage cheese

2 TB PB is 2 tablespoons of natural peanut butter.

[novastepp]

whats bcaa's

branched-chain amino acids. read the first few pages of this thread (well, realistically, read it all) but there is some seriously good literature on BCAA's.

[srebrenica]

i did i could not find out what what meal 8 1 cup f/f cc and 2 TB PB mean

[novastepp]

haha, no no no. i was showing you a way to create a diet. you'll have to tailor it to your needs in regard to calories and in regard to macros. do the diligence and tailor it to those requirements i posted in the earlier post.

f/f CC is fat free cottage cheese

2 TB PB is 2 tablespoons of natural peanut butter.

again

[mhafez]

Nark, how about that literature/experience with "tubers/potatoes"? i cannot find it! geez, i'm being asked questions about it and I can't find it anywhere. lil' help here, big man.

If you mean the reason why you guys prefer potatoes over oats...i add my voice to yours, we have to see this literature/experience

[novastepp]

I've seen it all before. But i must not have saved it to my computer. just need a quick refresher Narkskie.

bump

[Deltasaurus]

I have been to alot of research and listening to doctors reports and what not, studies,opinions,etc..... And its seems that there are good ways to Increase LBM while consuming only 200-300 grams of carbs a day. there were saying Fats and Protein build muscle and carbs provide energy. which we all know is correct. Im going to jsut ask your opinions on this,but i already know what you generally advocate in this situation higher carbs mod pro and low fat.

What is your opinion on this idea i guess?
more specifically do think this is a plausible way to gain while maintaining leaness?
or do you feel your version is better suited to gain while staying lean?

[Deltasaurus]

Or what about 3000kcal like this 275 Carbs 200 Pro and 100 Fat????

that the Macro Split Raw Milk Has, well pretty close

[IM708]

In the morning I usually some oats and I'm gettin sick of the blandness-cardboard flavor quick. What would you suggest I mix w/ it to give it a better flavor and can fit in with a cutting diet.

[novastepp]

I have been to alot of research and listening to doctors reports and what not, studies,opinions,etc..... And its seems that there are good ways to Increase LBM while consuming only 200-300 grams of carbs a day. there were saying Fats and Protein build muscle and carbs provide energy. which we all know is correct. Im going to jsut ask your opinions on this,but i already know what you generally advocate in this situation higher carbs mod pro and low fat.

What is your opinion on this idea i guess?
more specifically do think this is a plausible way to gain while maintaining leanness?
or do you feel your version is better suited to gain while staying lean?

I advocate this method for documented reasons and more so, individual reasons. It works for me, so I obviously stick to it.

As far as what you are talking about, I think it will rely highly on carb timing. which does matter in regard to ANY dietary approach whether its high, mod, or low carb intake. They would easily need to be used around the workout, primarily before.

I think depending on the cleanliness of the diet that you could use it. It would work well I'm sure. It's still a decent amount of carbs. However, to give ONE number of carbs for a varying range of sizes is inaccurate and a mistake. A guy who is 165 and a guy who is 225 would NOT be taking in the same amount of carbs, so "they" would be better suited to recommend a percentage of daily calories instead of a number.

Or what about 3000kcal like this 275 Carbs 200 Pro and 100 Fat????

that the Macro Split Raw Milk Has, well pretty close

I always stick to teh idea of 1.5g of pro per lb of LBM. again, it looks like they are generalizing everyone into a single size category; again, mistake. but those numbers there are pretty darn close to the % spread that I use myself. Just slightly higher on the pro and slightly lower in the fat category.

[novastepp]

In the morning I usually some oats and I'm gettin sick of the blandness-cardboard flavor quick. What would you suggest I mix w/ it to give it a better flavor and can fit in with a cutting diet.

well can you add skim milk? that always helped me when i would eat them often. but my favorite thing to add to oats was cinnamon and splenda. if you can add some skim milk to that mix its even better, but it is still great with plain old water.

[IM708]

well can you add skim milk? that always helped me when i would eat them often. but my favorite thing to add to oats was cinnamon and splenda. if you can add some skim milk to that mix its even better, but it is still great with plain old water.

I already do cinnamon, ill try splenda and see how that works. But if that doesn't work ill try 1/2cup milk 1/2 cup water.

[novastepp]

I already do cinnamon, ill try splenda and see how that works. But if that doesn't work ill try 1/2cup milk 1/2 cup water.

maybe try cooking them too; relieves that bland flavor. and the cinnamon + splenda trick is good stuff