Anyone else only about to failure once?

[nbaylot33]

THIS ABOUT SUMS IT UP...
"the effect of intensity on the muscle tissue can be likened to breaking and repairing a pencil lead; by constantly training beyong failure, you are taking a hammer and shmashing the actin and myosin (pencil lead) amking it very difficult, if not impossible to repair.

do not train beyond failure or performing forced reps, as this may disallow the performance of the same number of reps set to set"

ok so what have we learned?? do not train beyond failure.. instead use the overload training principle. for example, if you are training for strength and size 4-6 rep range will maximize white twitch muscle fibers. by choosing a weight you can do 100% INTENSITY 4 good controlled reps, once you hit 6 reps of that weight advance the weight. never go beyond failure, regardless of what anyone says. the body was not meant to train beyond failure

Never said do it every time but it is useful. And If your talking about fast twitch muscles, explosive training is the best for it (hince sprinters having larger muscles than endurance runners). The body was made for adapting. You can lift beyond your limit of your current abilities that is why you GET stronger not because you keep doing the same weight every time. And training for size is not necessarily 4-6 reps again HST training does not use that and it has been proven to work.

[eatrainrest]

Never said do it every time but it is useful. And If your talking about fast twitch muscles, explosive training is the best for it (hince sprinters having larger muscles than endurance runners). The body was made for adapting. You can lift beyond your limit of your current abilities that is why you GET stronger not because you keep doing the same weight every time. And training for size is not necessarily 4-6 reps again HST training does not use that and it has been proven to work.

these methods as well have been "proven". lets get this straight, in exercise science there is no proven method. with that being said its all preference and how relatively you see results.

white twitch mucsle fibers (type 2b), yes sprintres use alot of white twitch muscle fibers hence, short bursts. white twitch muscle fibers have very few capillaries and because of the absense of this nutrient rich blood supply, they cannot function for very long periods of times as opposed to red fast and red slow fibers.

white twitch are greatly connected with strength gains and are used in lower rep ranges. this has the greatest effect on the myofibril. the controlled damage and repair of the actin and myosin ist he key to optimizing myofibril growth.

who ever stated saying with the same weight? i dont think you understand the overload training principle too well, or what i stated for that matter, "lifting beyond current abilities" is gradually moving up in the weights with proper form. progress will ersult on diet/traning/stress/sleep/etc. the fact is the risk of injury is so much higher and stresses too much. by training past failure you will eventually burn out and an injury is much more likely to occur. so why risk it when its not necessary??

[nbaylot33]

Like I was saying before 100% changes. We are saying the same thing I guess. I also agree that there is no certain way to get the best results. We should just tell him "Do what works" lol. Our definition of failure might be different as well. My failure means If you can get 10 reps at 100 lbs and try for 105 and get 8 but your partner helps you on 2 to get 10 you have gone past failure to inhibit more growth.

[nbaylot33]

A strength training principle which states that the intensity of exercise must be high enough above normal for physiological adaptation to occur. In other words, if you want to see results when lifting weights, you have to lift more than your muscles can handle. That overload will cause the muscle fibers to grow stronger and, sometimes, bigger in order to handle the extra load.

That is the def. of overload principle and that is exactly what I have been saying.