Phate's S4 Log

[Phate]

did you get the blood test back yet? and do you have weight gains? bf changes?

how do you feel in the s4 in general? were you on hrt before?

i should have the bloodtests back tomorrow and i'll report an abnormalities and such

on the S4 i feel about the same as off, and no, i have never cycled before or used any steroids/peptides/etc...

[amcon]

i should have the bloodtests back tomorrow and i'll report an abnormalities and such

on the S4 i feel about the same as off, and no, i have never cycled before or used any steroids/peptides/etc...

any good gains to talk about? weight or strenght? bf - notice any change?

[Phate]

any good gains to talk about? weight or strenght? bf - notice any change?

bf% is down at least 4% since i started and i look bigger IMO and the opinion of my parents

strength is up i believe, i just went from below sea level to 1000ft above and my strength is more than it was before i left in the presence of less oxygen

[NewMuscle83]

bf% is down at least 4% since i started and i look bigger IMO and the opinion of my parents

strength is up i believe, i just went from below sea level to 1000ft above and my strength is more than it was before i left in the presence of less oxygen

so, worth the cost so far I'm assuming?

From the sounds of this I don't see why it wouldn't become a staple in PCT.

[Phate]

so, worth the cost so far I'm assuming?

From the sounds of this I don't see why it wouldn't become a staple in PCT.

well, as far as worth the cost, it is for me because of my age, though i'll wait to answer that question in more detail at the end of the cycle

as far as a staple in PCT, when i get my bloodwork back i'll be able to see if it suppresses my free/total test levels and that will determine whether it can be used for PCT purposes

[NewMuscle83]

well, as far as worth the cost, it is for me because of my age, though i'll wait to answer that question in more detail at the end of the cycle

as far as a staple in PCT, when i get my bloodwork back i'll be able to see if it suppresses my free/total test levels and that will determine whether it can be used for PCT purposes

cool. My understanding is that it doesn't, and therefore will be a good addition to PCT to help hold on to strength and size.

Will wait for your bloodwork to prove it.

How far along are you now?

[Reed]

bf% is down at least 4% since i started and i look bigger IMO and the opinion of my parents

strength is up i believe, i just went from below sea level to 1000ft above and my strength is more than it was before i left in the presence of less oxygen

So you are cutting currently I assume w/ cals below maintenance and carbs from fibrous veggies with strength up then its a pretty good product.

I'm depleting at the moment for contest prep and on test/tren/winny and my strength is definitely not going up.

[Phate]

cool. My understanding is that it doesn't, and therefore will be a good addition to PCT to help hold on to strength and size.

Will wait for your bloodwork to prove it.

How far along are you now?

i'm around 4 weeks in now i believe, i'd have to go check the date i started

So you are cutting currently I assume w/ cals below maintenance and carbs from fibrous veggies with strength up then its a pretty good product.

I'm depleting at the moment for contest prep and on test/tren/winny and my strength is definitely not going up.

pretty close, my carb sources are oatmeal and veggies mostly, i'm carb cycling with high days on back and legs day, low days on chest, arms etc...and no days(or low days depending on how i feel) on days where i just do cardio

[amcon]

bf% is down at least 4% since i started and i look bigger IMO and the opinion of my parents

strength is up i believe, i just went from below sea level to 1000ft above and my strength is more than it was before i left in the presence of less oxygen

that oxygen level is little or no change ... so that is good your stronger in similar conditions.

[Phate]

bloodwork should have been here today, my dad's came in, just not mine yet, anyway

i'm also getting blood work i had done several months ago(before S4) faxed to me so i can compare and give ya'll a perspective on it's effects on HPTA and such


i should also say that i love HIIT, i ran 60/30 intervals today for 35 total minutes and my heartrate was 180 on average, i loved it

[Phate]

okay guys, got my blood work back and here's how it stands

BLOODWORK FROM OCTOBER 9, 2008
Pre-SARM

Total test level 5.49ng/mL
LH 2.77mIU/mL
Prolactin 11.40ng/mL


BLOODWORK FROM MONDAY, JUNE 1 2009
Intra-SARM

Total test level 282ng/dL (this would be 2.82ng/mL)
Free test 11.9pg/mL(the reference range is 9.3-26.5, i should be at the high end of this as it takes into account age groups from 0-60+)

AST 53(reference range 0-40)
ALT 103 (reference range 0-55)


This tells me a few things:

first, S4 is slightly suppressive of your natural testosterone production as mine has been cut in half over the last 4-5 weeks from use of it, so it might not be the best thing to run in PCT

second, even though it is not 17aa, it is affecting my liver from some angle as my liver enzymes are raised and i haven't had a drink of alcohol in a while

[Marinos]

second, even though it is not 17aa, it is affecting my liver from some angle as my liver enzymes are raised and i haven't had a drink of alcohol in a while

So exactly how 'bad' is this for your liver? Would a 12 week cycle be out of the question?

[ni4ni]

Phate, prior to them drawing labs did/are you taking any other meds that could potentially increase AST/ALT like tylenol?

okay guys, got my blood work back and here's how it stands

BLOODWORK FROM OCTOBER 9, 2008
Pre-SARM

Total test level 5.49ng/mL
LH 2.77mIU/mL
Prolactin 11.40ng/mL


BLOODWORK FROM MONDAY, JUNE 1 2009
Intra-SARM

Total test level 282ng/dL (this would be 2.82ng/mL)
Free test 11.9pg/mL(the reference range is 9.3-26.5, i should be at the high end of this as it takes into account age groups from 0-60+)

AST 53(reference range 0-40)
ALT 103 (reference range 0-55)


This tells me a few things:

first, S4 is slightly suppressive of your natural testosterone production as mine has been cut in half over the last 4-5 weeks from use of it, so it might not be the best thing to run in PCT

second, even though it is not 17aa, it is affecting my liver from some angle as my liver enzymes are raised and i haven't had a drink of alcohol in a while