Phate's S4 Log

[amcon]

i should have the bloodtests back tomorrow and i'll report an abnormalities and such

on the S4 i feel about the same as off, and no, i have never cycled before or used any steroids/peptides/etc...

any good gains to talk about? weight or strenght? bf - notice any change?

[Phate]

any good gains to talk about? weight or strenght? bf - notice any change?

bf% is down at least 4% since i started and i look bigger IMO and the opinion of my parents

strength is up i believe, i just went from below sea level to 1000ft above and my strength is more than it was before i left in the presence of less oxygen

[NewMuscle83]

bf% is down at least 4% since i started and i look bigger IMO and the opinion of my parents

strength is up i believe, i just went from below sea level to 1000ft above and my strength is more than it was before i left in the presence of less oxygen

so, worth the cost so far I'm assuming?

From the sounds of this I don't see why it wouldn't become a staple in PCT.

[Phate]

so, worth the cost so far I'm assuming?

From the sounds of this I don't see why it wouldn't become a staple in PCT.

well, as far as worth the cost, it is for me because of my age, though i'll wait to answer that question in more detail at the end of the cycle

as far as a staple in PCT, when i get my bloodwork back i'll be able to see if it suppresses my free/total test levels and that will determine whether it can be used for PCT purposes

[NewMuscle83]

well, as far as worth the cost, it is for me because of my age, though i'll wait to answer that question in more detail at the end of the cycle

as far as a staple in PCT, when i get my bloodwork back i'll be able to see if it suppresses my free/total test levels and that will determine whether it can be used for PCT purposes

cool. My understanding is that it doesn't, and therefore will be a good addition to PCT to help hold on to strength and size.

Will wait for your bloodwork to prove it.

How far along are you now?

[Reed]

bf% is down at least 4% since i started and i look bigger IMO and the opinion of my parents

strength is up i believe, i just went from below sea level to 1000ft above and my strength is more than it was before i left in the presence of less oxygen

So you are cutting currently I assume w/ cals below maintenance and carbs from fibrous veggies with strength up then its a pretty good product.

I'm depleting at the moment for contest prep and on test/tren/winny and my strength is definitely not going up.

[Phate]

cool. My understanding is that it doesn't, and therefore will be a good addition to PCT to help hold on to strength and size.

Will wait for your bloodwork to prove it.

How far along are you now?

i'm around 4 weeks in now i believe, i'd have to go check the date i started

So you are cutting currently I assume w/ cals below maintenance and carbs from fibrous veggies with strength up then its a pretty good product.

I'm depleting at the moment for contest prep and on test/tren/winny and my strength is definitely not going up.

pretty close, my carb sources are oatmeal and veggies mostly, i'm carb cycling with high days on back and legs day, low days on chest, arms etc...and no days(or low days depending on how i feel) on days where i just do cardio

[Reed]

I'm going put my neck out and say dropping 4% in a months time is AMAZING. Congrats on that.

What are you 2% now benching 400lbs

[amcon]

bf% is down at least 4% since i started and i look bigger IMO and the opinion of my parents

strength is up i believe, i just went from below sea level to 1000ft above and my strength is more than it was before i left in the presence of less oxygen

that oxygen level is little or no change ... so that is good your stronger in similar conditions.

[Phate]

bloodwork should have been here today, my dad's came in, just not mine yet, anyway

i'm also getting blood work i had done several months ago(before S4) faxed to me so i can compare and give ya'll a perspective on it's effects on HPTA and such


i should also say that i love HIIT, i ran 60/30 intervals today for 35 total minutes and my heartrate was 180 on average, i loved it

[Phate]

okay guys, got my blood work back and here's how it stands

BLOODWORK FROM OCTOBER 9, 2008
Pre-SARM

Total test level 5.49ng/mL
LH 2.77mIU/mL
Prolactin 11.40ng/mL


BLOODWORK FROM MONDAY, JUNE 1 2009
Intra-SARM

Total test level 282ng/dL (this would be 2.82ng/mL)
Free test 11.9pg/mL(the reference range is 9.3-26.5, i should be at the high end of this as it takes into account age groups from 0-60+)

AST 53(reference range 0-40)
ALT 103 (reference range 0-55)


This tells me a few things:

first, S4 is slightly suppressive of your natural testosterone production as mine has been cut in half over the last 4-5 weeks from use of it, so it might not be the best thing to run in PCT

second, even though it is not 17aa, it is affecting my liver from some angle as my liver enzymes are raised and i haven't had a drink of alcohol in a while

[RANA]

Great info, I was contemplating on running during my PCT but with your info this really helps.

[Phate]

Great info, I was contemplating on running during my PCT but with your info this really helps.

i'm going to see if i can get prolactin and LH tests run this week as well to try and figure out what's causing the drop in test levels, i'm wondering if the SARM is messing with my LH levels, if so i can correct that

[Reed]

Good info, so I won't be using this in my PCT protocol once the contests are over.


And Phate you ain't gotta lie I know you're a raging alcoholic.



















































jk

[Phate]

Good info, so I won't be using this in my PCT protocol once the contests are over.


And Phate you ain't gotta lie I know you're a raging alcoholic.

jk

that's how i roll, 10 shots of whiskey before i go to the gym to do my balance ball squats and ego benches, then it's time for the one piece sweatsuit and knee high socks for my cardio

don't hate the player, hate the game, lol

[Reed]

that's how i roll, 10 shots of whiskey before i go to the gym to do my balance ball squats and ego benches, then it's time for the one piece sweatsuit and knee high socks for my cardio

don't hate the player, hate the game, lol

Shhh don't be giving out the secrets of the pros.

[Marinos]

second, even though it is not 17aa, it is affecting my liver from some angle as my liver enzymes are raised and i haven't had a drink of alcohol in a while

So exactly how 'bad' is this for your liver? Would a 12 week cycle be out of the question?

[ni4ni]

Phate, prior to them drawing labs did/are you taking any other meds that could potentially increase AST/ALT like tylenol?

okay guys, got my blood work back and here's how it stands

BLOODWORK FROM OCTOBER 9, 2008
Pre-SARM

Total test level 5.49ng/mL
LH 2.77mIU/mL
Prolactin 11.40ng/mL


BLOODWORK FROM MONDAY, JUNE 1 2009
Intra-SARM

Total test level 282ng/dL (this would be 2.82ng/mL)
Free test 11.9pg/mL(the reference range is 9.3-26.5, i should be at the high end of this as it takes into account age groups from 0-60+)

AST 53(reference range 0-40)
ALT 103 (reference range 0-55)


This tells me a few things:

first, S4 is slightly suppressive of your natural testosterone production as mine has been cut in half over the last 4-5 weeks from use of it, so it might not be the best thing to run in PCT

second, even though it is not 17aa, it is affecting my liver from some angle as my liver enzymes are raised and i haven't had a drink of alcohol in a while

[*RAGE*]

So how much lean muscle mass have you put on so far?

[Phate]

Phate, prior to them drawing labs did/are you taking any other meds that could potentially increase AST/ALT like tylenol?

none that i could think of

So how much lean muscle mass have you put on so far?

idk yet, i just got back into texas last night so i need to get a comp test done

[Marinos]

So exactly how 'bad' is this for your liver? Would a 12 week cycle be out of the question?

Bump

I need to know how long to run this stuff, any advice would be much appreciated

[amcon]

read the thread... and make sure it is inline with your goals

[chucklesmcgee]

none that i could think of
i just got back into texas last night so i need to get a comp test done

Good idea getting the body comp. I'm looking at Phase II results in humans- they lost almost as much fat as they gained muscle- so changes in body weight may be deceiving you as to how much muscle you're actually gaining. Once you figure out your new body comp, do the math and figure out your gain in lean mass. Solid log, btw.

[millionairemurph]

This is a good read, thanks phate

[jrmy]

let us know when u get the lh and prolactin checked bro.

[Phate]

let us know when u get the lh and prolactin checked bro.

already did

before S4

LH 2.77 mIU/mL
prolactin 11.4 ng/mL

while on S4

LH 4.1mIU/mL
prolactin 7.1ng/mL

[Jumbo18]

im confused, your lh went up and prolactin went down after getting off S4?

[Phate]

im confused, your lh went up and prolactin went down after getting off S4?

post edited, it wasnt "after S4" it was "while on S4"

[jrmy]

post edited, it wasnt "after S4" it was "while on S4"

hmm interesting.ive been suspecting i have high prolactin,but im sure other meds are more effiecient at reducing this.On another note,lh is responsible for t-levels increasing correct?

[jamyjamjr]

im lost, wtf is s4??

[RANA]

im lost, wtf is s4??

This should help you out: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=386610

[Nooomoto]

What happened to the log?

[Phate]

What happened to the log?

i finished the "cycle", not much to report gain wise so i didn't

[lotsoftime]

So S4 not worth it?

[Phate]

So S4 not worth it?

not for me at least

[bass]

not for me at least

Phate, as you know i am running S4 right now, unless i missed it, i didn’t see anything mentioned about PCT. did you run PCT afterwards, or not? how old are you BTW?

[CMB]

Conclusion --- s4 sucks.

[CaliburKid]

Excellent read! I was curious about S4, however the vision comments are what made me really question the product. What's your age by chance? I notice you keep saying you CAN'T cycle yet. Also, notice you're in TX (Good stuff)...Anywho, excellent thread/study!

[Lmoye22]

From reading earlier about S4, i thought it was going to be great. Good thing i kept reading on. Great info here