Weight vs Form

[quarry206]

Consentrating on negatives made me break through my bicep platau so it obviously has growth effect and I would and do recomend it to many to add to there workouts. If your trying to say that doing just negatives alone wont get growth, to cover for your last statement being absolute bollocks, your barking up the wrong tree cause noone said anything about that.

well we can agree to dis agree or whatever... but high level powerlifters don't do negitives, unless its purely to feel the weight and break fear of that weight..

and no professional body builders do them.. though sometimes they will put talk in a magazine to sell an article.. if you watch their actual work outs none of them spend a lot of focus on the negative..

amateur lifters are the only people you will ever see do negatives.

and my post wasn't to "cover" it was to clarify that though negs might help you feel alittle burn.. if doing full reps you should waste tons of energy on the neg movement since the growth is made from the contraction.

and the long used defense "it helped me" has many holes in it. because we have all seen on this site people say the weirdest things helped them and we all know it didn't.. and maybe adding negatives did help you, but it was because it was a change to your routine not the negatives themselves........If we really want to play the personal experience game.. I can list off my size, strength, endurance and other stats.. all done without a spotter, without juice, and not really fallowing a diet. which are all things people claim to be a must have to be at the level I'm at...so like i said from the beginning everybody is different but there are general rules that hold true to everybody on different levels....

[wharton]

well we can agree to dis agree or whatever... but high level powerlifters don't do negitives, unless its purely to feel the weight and break fear of that weight..

and no professional body builders do them.. though sometimes they will put talk in a magazine to sell an article.. if you watch their actual work outs none of them spend a lot of focus on the negative..

amateur lifters are the only people you will ever see do negatives.

and my post wasn't to "cover" it was to clarify that though negs might help you feel alittle burn.. if doing full reps you should waste tons of energy on the neg movement since the growth is made from the contraction.

and the long used defense "it helped me" has many holes in it. because we have all seen on this site people say the weirdest things helped them and we all know it didn't.. and maybe adding negatives did help you, but it was because it was a change to your routine not the negatives themselves........If we really want to play the personal experience game.. I can list off my size, strength, endurance and other stats.. all done without a spotter, without juice, and not really fallowing a diet. which are all things people claim to be a must have to be at the level I'm at...so like i said from the beginning everybody is different but there are general rules that hold true to everybody on different levels....

True. I agree with the diet stuff and the spotter to. Still negatives work for me and as long as they do i will keep doing them

[kickinit]

well we can agree to dis agree or whatever... but high level powerlifters don't do negitives, unless its purely to feel the weight and break fear of that weight.. NO ONE THAT I KNOW OF JUST SAID "LETS DO NEGATIVES", DID I MISS THAT SOMEWHERE? IT WAS ONLY STATED ABOUT THE NEGATIVE.

and no professional body builders do them.. though sometimes they will put talk in a magazine to sell an article.. if you watch their actual work outs none of them spend a lot of focus on the negative..---DONT READ THEM SO DONT CARE.

amateur lifters are the only people you will ever see do negatives.--- TRUE I DID IT IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT IT NOW.

and my post wasn't to "cover" it was to clarify that though negs might help you feel alittle burn.. if doing full reps you should waste tons of energy on the neg movement since the growth is made from the contraction.---I DISAGREE GRANTED IF THE NEGATIVE IS SO USELESS THEN DO YOU JUST THROW THE WEIGHTS AROUND? ALSO ANY PRO WILL TELL YOU FULL MOVEMENT, SHIT WATCHT THEM FOR CHRISTSAKES, ALL OF THEM WITH FULL CONTROLLED MOVEMENT.

and the long used defense "it helped me" has many holes in it. because we have all seen on this site people say the weirdest things helped them and we all know it didn't.. and maybe adding negatives did help you, but it was because it was a change to your routine not the negatives themselves........If we really want to play the personal experience game.. I can list off my size, strength, endurance and other stats.. all done without a spotter, without juice, and not really fallowing a diet. which are all things people claim to be a must have to be at the level I'm at...so like i said from the beginning everybody is different but there are general rules that hold true to everybody on different levels....

CAPS ABOVE FOR COMMENTS and to add, still don't know where you got anyone saying lets do just negative movements, did I miss it? This sounds like your whole argument too.

[quarry206]

CAPS ABOVE FOR COMMENTS and to add, still don't know where you got anyone saying lets do just negative movements, did I miss it? This sounds like your whole argument too.

either your not reading everything, or you just like to jump into things for fun.... I never said anything about people only doing negatives, I said over and over that if negatives don't help in growth don't focus heavily on them in a full rep... and i also said that controlling the weight down does help with fatigue on the muscle, but has no direct effect on growth so don't harp on the negative movement...

people are twisting what i said and have comment to work for their argument...when did i EVER say dropping or throwing the weight around is what you should do??? I have always harped on using great form, and that form and bouncing is the biggest mistake people make.

last time.. i never said don't do a controlled negative, I merely stated the facts about negatives so why count or try for a 2-3 second negative when there are better ways to hit the muscle for growth.