Current Pics, BEFORE Cycle...

[The Deuce]

Here are some current pics of me Before my Cycle that I am starting in oooohhh like 4 days...

The cycle will consist of 40 days of TBOL at 50mgs ED and 8 weeks of PROP.. MIGHT EXTEND to 10 weeks DEPENDING... of 75mgs ED. I will be FRONTLOADING the Propinate, I know a lot of you don't believe in this but I KNOW from personal experience that it works... and it works well.. it's just DOUBLE DOSE for 4 days...












Tried to hit the poses as best I could, plus these are not pumped.. fresh out of BED.. so my muscles aren't full of blood like they would be if I had just gotten out of the gym or if I were back stage warming up... I have definitely progressed a long ways from where I was at.. STILL HAVE A LONG ROAD AHEAD OF ME but... BE VICIOUS GUYS, LIGHT INTO ME.. I need it.. also compliment where it's due I suppose... I am my own worst critic so I obviously think i look like total shizzit !!!

[Dukkit]

wtf?

[Dukkit]

lol

just messin

not bad man. i didnt see any stats posted.... hmmm?????


nipples look a lil puffy? normal or left over gyno?

chest and rear delts need hit hard

[The Deuce]

lol

just messin

not bad man. i didnt see any stats posted.... hmmm?????


nipples look a lil puffy? normal or left over gyno?

chest and rear delts need hit hard

Left over GYNO from FATNESS.. not Gear use.. No itchyness, No lumps, just from left over FAT TISSUE... Slowly but surely disappearing as my BODY FAT goes down and down and down...

Yah I just started a regimen hittin' those rear delts a lot better.. before I wasn't hitting them at all and just letting the normal exercises like SQUEEZING extra hard at the top on BENT OVER DB ROWS when doing back...

And my Chest routine has definitely been switch up recently to involve more UPPER chest than anything, It has progressed more than it looks... You shoulda seen my chest 6 months ago.. UGH... PUKE... .hahaha

But thanks for the critiquing much appreciated brotha man...

Oh stats,

6 feet Tall
225lbs.
16.5-17.2%BF depending on what method I use.. 9 spot caliper test revealed 17.2% but the method they use for the US ARMED FORCES Guidelines gave a reading of 16.5... I am leaning more towards the 17.2 because I still have a gut !!

ARMS= Right Arm 17" Left Arm Slightly smaller at 16.85"
Legs= 27"
Calves= 17"
Neck= 18.5"
Abdominal Region= 37"
Forearm= 15"

[Dukkit]

awesome. well gettin rid of that fat gyno will take some time and solid cutting. but itll happen

i wasnt sayin your chest looks weak. just that it could be brought up to par with your other parts. i know how hard it is for chest growth. its one of my weakest spots.

i did the same thing. relied on back exercises to hit the rear delts and ive also had to focus on them lately. probably why i picked them out on you. cuz i pick them out on me. lol

[supragasm]

should of wore an american flag thong lol

[tallguy23]

Not to shabby man. Did you lose a huge ammount of weight? The first pic looks like you have some loose skin there that sugery might be the only way to get rid of.

[kickinit]

Yeah you going for the tummy tuck?

[The Deuce]

awesome. well gettin rid of that fat gyno will take some time and solid cutting. but itll happen

i wasnt sayin your chest looks weak. just that it could be brought up to par with your other parts. i know how hard it is for chest growth. its one of my weakest spots.

i did the same thing. relied on back exercises to hit the rear delts and ive also had to focus on them lately. probably why i picked them out on you. cuz i pick them out on me. lol

I know it will take a long time, well hopefully not.. I know it wont happen overnight.. as you can see.. some members replied below that I MAY NEED SURGERY TO GET RID OF THAT EXTRA SKIN... Do you honestly think that be the case?? CAN IT BE DONE NATURALLY WITHOUT A SURGICAL PROCEDURE.. That is one thing I do not need right now, not only do I not want to afford it but, IT WILL SET ME BACK BY MONTHS !!! Healing and recovering from that will result in massive amounts of loss in muscle tissue... I can't do that.. so please if you know anything about things of this nature let me know if this can be done without the aid of a plastic surgeon ... Thanks MAN !!

I know I have a long way to go and hopefully,hopefully what I AM BEING TOLD IF FALSE and I CAN do it without having to have to have surgery... ugh u have no clue how much I am upset right now dwelling on this...

should of wore an american flag thong lol

LOL... Yah thought about it... Nah I just wanted to be able to get a full body shot.. so I just dropped trow and had the wife snap away...

Not to shabby man. Did you lose a huge ammount of weight? The first pic looks like you have some loose skin there that sugery might be the only way to get rid of.

TELL ME YOU ARE JOKING, YES I lost a considerable amount of weight, I weighed 300lbs. But not for long... I only spiked to that weight for a lil bit during my depressive state and then snapped out of it and started back in the gym dropping the fat as quickly as I could so it's not like I was always FAT, at one point in my life I did have massive abdominal muscles.. you would never be able to tell from these pictures but I did...

Please tell me I dont need surgery and I can do this on my own.. like I stated above.. SURGERY would set me back SO FAR while I heal and recover.. I cant go through that.. NO FVCKING WAY !!!

Yeah you going for the tummy tuck?

No I am not going for the TUMMY tuck, not if I dont have to.. I don't care if it takes a year to get rid of.. I'll do it.. at this point I CAN NOT afford to take time off for a surgery to recover and heal.. but


I NEED MORE OPINIONS !!! IS THIS GOING TO REQUIRE SURGERY OR CAN I DO IT ON MY OWN.. It would be great to know now before I get to involved and end up getting IN PERFECT shape only to take 8-12 weeks off POST-OP to heal...

Guys you have seriously ruined my night.. like I really hope you are joking just saying that it is a quick alternative than working my ass off to get rid of it...

[FireGuy]

Even if you were to lose all th fat in the abdominal region I dont think that amount of skin will ever tighten up, you can see the skin has lost most of its elacticity already. That's one of the very negative effects of extreme bulking and getting your bodyfat over 20%. I think it will actually become more noticable the leaner you get.

[The Deuce]

So I am screwed basically.. just give up now kinda thing... fvckin awesome... ugh ruined my night.. what the hell am I supposed to do???

[FireGuy]

So I am screwed basically.. just give up now kinda thing... fvckin awesome... ugh ruined my night.. what the hell am I supposed to do???

No one is saying your screwed. There are ways to fix it but I dont see it going away simply from leaning out. Turn that frown upside down my man.

[FireGuy]

Drop down to 9-10% bodyfat. You will know then if it's going to fix itself or require a tuck.

[Equiguns]

how old are you? depending on your age and the type of skin/tissue you have- that moderate amount may very well tighten up, but it will likely take years. i understand it looks impossible to some of the members here after seeing that first pic, but it has been my experience that many people will get tummy tucks to 'speed' the process. if you REALLY dont want to get the tuck and you are willing to wait 'years' and not 'months' (and you are under 35 yo or better yet under 30 yo) then you should see great improvements in that area. however i dont know how old you are and pics can be deceiving both way (make the area look better or worse than reality). it can also depends on how "healthy" you are because certain substances and foods affect your skin and it's ability to retain its elastic nature. hope this helps, feel free to message me if you want a better explanation

[seriousmass]

Drop down to 9-10% bodyfat.

100% agree.

Deuce, if you can manage to get down to ~10% you will know for certain if the surgery is necessary. Unfortunately, I've seen in the past, that when someone cuts bodyfat from an extra bodyfat the elasticity of the skin will become more predominant / visible, once in a lower range.

Right now I'd focus on cutting down 6% or so. IMO stick to simple compounds / stacks... (IE) Test + Clen / T3... perhaps start using winstrol when you get to around 12 - 13%.

You've got a mega thick frame, which is a definite plus. Just keep hammering out the cardio. Join a spin-class at your gym!! lol. Anyways, good luck bro.

[xnotoriousx]

To be honest, the only way to find out is to get your body fat down and then see what happens. Honestly, even if it doesn't go away, when you're ****** up and huge, and you can say at one point you were 300+lbs that is such a fking amazing acomplishment that it doesn't matter if you have a small patch of lose skin....


Don't let this crap get you down, just keep on pushing...

[Equiguns]

100% agree.

Deuce, if you can manage to get down to ~10% you will know for certain if the surgery is necessary. Unfortunately, I've seen in the past, that when someone cuts bodyfat from an extra bodyfat the elasticity of the skin will become more predominant / visible, once in a lower range.

Right now I'd focus on cutting down 6% or so. IMO stick to simple compounds / stacks... (IE) Test + Clen / T3... perhaps start using winstrol when you get to around 12 - 13%.

You've got a mega thick frame, which is a definite plus. Just keep hammering out the cardio. Join a spin-class at your gym!! lol. Anyways, good luck bro.

FYI- dropping to 9% or even 5% will not tell you for 'certain' by any means. however, it will "release" the subq fat and might even make it LOOK worse OR make it look less conspicuous (but thats unlikely as it will probably look worse if you drop the fat too quickly). only time will tell, the time it requires your body to produce certain factors and eliminate others (recruit stuff, etc) and the skin will slowly tighten up. you should read proper MEDICAL LITERATURE on this subject. the new england journal as well as some online search engines for medical literature will be reliable sources.

[The Deuce]

No one is saying your screwed. There are ways to fix it but I dont see it going away simply from leaning out. Turn that frown upside down my man.

I know I know I get upset quick brother.. its just when I think surgery, not only do i think COST.. but I also think RECOVERY TIME.. Not being at the gym, losing everything I have strived for and gained and that is what hit me like a ton of bricks.. I thought I was just going to be able to lean down.. and it would disappear like the rest of the fat on my body is just disappearing at such a rapid pace.. well not rapid but .. within reason... ya know??

Drop down to 9-10% bodyfat. You will know then if it's going to fix itself or require a tuck.

Trust me bro, that is my next goal, its just so disheartening to know that I can get down to that BF range and then look down and OH NO ABS.. nope instead I got gross disgusting dangling fckin skin... that is a definite slam to the face.... I just sent a message to a rather premiere Plastic Surgeon in my area and stated that i wanted to possibly discuss options for something about in the 6 month range.... I believe at this point, I will know in 6 months whether or not that will go away or not...

how old are you? depending on your age and the type of skin/tissue you have- that moderate amount may very well tighten up, but it will likely take years. i understand it looks impossible to some of the members here after seeing that first pic, but it has been my experience that many people will get tummy tucks to 'speed' the process. if you REALLY dont want to get the tuck and you are willing to wait 'years' and not 'months' (and you are under 35 yo or better yet under 30 yo) then you should see great improvements in that area. however i dont know how old you are and pics can be deceiving both way (make the area look better or worse than reality). it can also depends on how "healthy" you are because certain substances and foods affect your skin and it's ability to retain its elastic nature. hope this helps, feel free to message me if you want a better explanation

I am 27 years old.. a fresh 27 ... 27 and 2 months to be exact... I know most can not tell from a picture.. but honestly I do not have YEARS to wait... months yes.. I got months... maybe a year.. BUT I WANTED TO BE ENTERING INTO MY FIRST EVER COMPETITION IN A YEARS TIME... Whatever my weight class may be at the time, I certainly can not do that without a glistening abdominal section outlining my AB muscles.. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO WIN WITHOUT ROCKIN' ABS ya know?? No judge in their right mind will hand me a trophy.. ILL BE LAUGHED OFF THE STAGE.. this isn't mere self improvement and self gratification.. this is a career option that I am striving for.. ya know?? I know I eat healthy... but if you don't mind I'll shoot ya a PM.. and maybe you can direct me in the way of returning my godforsaken skin to normal so I can have my "6 pack" back... Thank you for your advice.. brought a smile to my face and gave me hope at least.. I do not want to go under the knife.. for many many reasons.. number 1.. time off of my workout routine to HEAL. But if it is what I must do, then it is what I must do...

100% agree.

Deuce, if you can manage to get down to ~10% you will know for certain if the surgery is necessary. Unfortunately, I've seen in the past, that when someone cuts bodyfat from an extra bodyfat the elasticity of the skin will become more predominant / visible, once in a lower range.

Right now I'd focus on cutting down 6% or so. IMO stick to simple compounds / stacks... (IE) Test + Clen / T3... perhaps start using winstrol when you get to around 12 - 13%.

You've got a mega thick frame, which is a definite plus. Just keep hammering out the cardio. Join a spin-class at your gym!! lol. Anyways, good luck bro.

Thanks man, you know me I am not gonna give up.. just hearing this is a BIG downer man.. fckin hurts to tell ya the truth.. I have been working so hard to hit a snag like this.. ugh.. maybe just maybe ill get lucky and skate away without the need for surgery... but if its what I have to do.. it's what I have to do.. I WILL SUCCEED AT THIS BODYBUILDING THING.. I WILL!!!

To be honest, the only way to find out is to get your body fat down and then see what happens. Honestly, even if it doesn't go away, when you're ****** up and huge, and you can say at one point you were 300+lbs that is such a fking amazing acomplishment that it doesn't matter if you have a small patch of lose skin....


Don't let this crap get you down, just keep on pushing...

Yah I definitely hear what you are saying.. and Thanks !! You are right I have to keep pushing and pushing.. but what am I to do if I push and then I NEED THE SURGERY TO COMPETE?? All that I have worked for and strived for will go down the toilet.. 8 weeks with NO GYM activity will cause all my muscles to atrophy and I will be back to square 1.

I have no other option at this point BUT to keep pushing and SEE what happens because right now, the wife is not going to approve of the funding for me to go get PLASTIC SURGERY. Who knows maybe I can get it financed or payments or Insurance coverage or something to help me out in that avenue.. like I said its a definite downer to hear this info after all the hard work I have already put in.

But I can promise you all one thing.. THE DEUCE does not give up.. I will persevere and overcome this obstacle somehow, someway.. if it's surgery... then so be it.. but I will try not to let it affect me as much as it wants to.. I guess we will see what happens... Thanks bro!!

[Equiguns]

you say career option... do you mean you plan on making a paycheck purely off of the aesthetics of your body? like in print form or on a stage? if that is so, then you will need at 'least' a year+ anyway. you might as well work on that body, do a couple of bulking cycles and a cutting cycle (if you do that stuff); or spend the next couple of years doing the all natural thing if thats your cuposoup. by the time you're in "mint condition" your skin should be back to normal anyhow. im not saying anything in particular to you, but it requires a LOT of work to actually make a living out of fitness, or even make a supplementary income! if you meant going on stage (when you said "career") then thats different. if you go on stage, you go to win, and to make sure you win, it will take time as well. from the looks of it, i would say you need anywhere from 6 months to 2 years to regain form and at least 6 months to get on stage anyway. stuff you can do to speed the process: take in oral and topical lutein, vit's B/C/&E, antioxidants, biotin, cocoa butter lotion, flaxseed oil/fish oils rich in *****-3 FA, and topical vitE also if you want to try everything possible. Use plenty of all of these and in synergy they may double, or even triple the speed of recovery. its cheap and good for you anyway also. but those are the statistically proven supplements. goodluck

[The Deuce]

you say career option... do you mean you plan on making a paycheck purely off of the aesthetics of your body? like in print form or on a stage? if that is so, then you will need at 'least' a year+ anyway. you might as well work on that body, do a couple of bulking cycles and a cutting cycle (if you do that stuff); or spend the next couple of years doing the all natural thing if thats your cuposoup. by the time you're in "mint condition" your skin should be back to normal anyhow. im not saying anything in particular to you, but it requires a LOT of work to actually make a living out of fitness, or even make a supplementary income! if you meant going on stage (when you said "career") then thats different. if you go on stage, you go to win, and to make sure you win, it will take time as well. from the looks of it, i would say you need anywhere from 6 months to 2 years to regain form and at least 6 months to get on stage anyway. stuff you can do to speed the process: take in oral and topical lutein, vit's B/C/&E, antioxidants, biotin, cocoa butter lotion, flaxseed oil/fish oils rich in *****-3 FA, and topical vitE also if you want to try everything possible. Use plenty of all of these and in synergy they may double, or even triple the speed of recovery. its cheap and good for you anyway also. but those are the statistically proven supplements. goodluck

Yep, I meant career like bodybuilding career... Yes I know I am at least a year out 365 days practically til the COMP in Culver City,CA. As far as I knew there was no money in Powerlifting. BUT obviously I am not competing in shizzit with a stomach like that. I knew pure MUSCLE for the abdominal region... no extra skin.. like i said I'd be laughed off the stage.

YES, I cycle, that was my whole plan BULK up now and another in the winter and CUT in the Spring with a cycle, then try my luck at the comp. I just need to do whatever possible to hopefully return my skin to normal, whatever that may be... I'm already taking some of them supps. But now that I know of all of them, I will head to the store and BUY everything listed above because thats what truly matters.. GETTING INTO PEAK CONDITION TO BE A HELL OF A COMPETITOR !!

Obviously I am got a long road ahead of me, it's just when I heard "[SURGERY]" I feared the worst, I thought I could do this all naturally, well.. haha not including the supplements, im talking about losing the fat and converting back to an abdominal region that is just slammin' !!


Now is there any AB exercises that I should be hammerin' on to maybe possibly tighten things up... I'm gonna add a day a week in training designed for ABS,FOREARMS, and CALVES. So that will up my training to 6 days per week... Day #1) Chest , Day #2) Arms [Bicep/Tricep], Day #3) Legs, Day #4) Shoulders, Day #5) Abs/forearms/Calves, Day #6) Back ... DAY OFF... then start it all over again.

Today I started my cycle, Test Prop- 75mgs ED - FRONTLOADING it at 150mgs ED for 4 days... I have found in my previous experience that this works the best at getting everything up to PAR quickly.. This way I am making gains by the end of WEEK 1 as compared to the end of Week 2.. of course Prop has it's sexual enhancement benefits almost immediately... I am also running Tbol at 50mgs ED.

This cycle as I have stated I am looking to GAIN.. 10lbs. That's it. If I gain more, well then I gain more but I am not expecting to. I want sustainable gains. Ones that will not go away upon cessation of the cycle. The greatest thing I have in my arsenal is the prescription to TRT. That way, I will not have to PCT and risk losing ANYTHING.

I WILL KEEP EVERYONE UPDATED. I am planning on starting a LOG. For those who wanna know, and then I guess I will Log not only my results as far as SIZE increases in Measurements and Fat Loss but also.. I wanna LOG my strength increase.. From exercise to exercise... Such as Currently.. My one rep Max of BENCH PRESS IS 335lbs., SQUAT is 585lbs., DEADLIFT 505lbs., and Military Press is 205lbs. NOT BAD in my eyes... But I will start my Log tomorrow.. hopefully it progresses like I see it Progressing..

It's just this FAT POUCH is kinda ... lol... kinda getting me DOWN a lil bit.. but I am going to just put it in the back of my mind and worry about it if and when the time comes...

[Reed]

Ok you wanted people to be honest and vicious so here it goes.....

Deuce I think its time for you to be more realistic with yourself

Sorry no offense but I don't see a max squat of 585. I don't even do that much for squat and my legs have twice the muscles yours do. You need to AT least go parallel for most of the time you are squatting. A lot of those maxes seem off, deadlifts with the amount of muscle you are packing in your back which isn't that much. I could see the shoulder press, I don't know about the bench though as you are truly lacking a good bit of muscle there.

You realize at your muscle level and those weights you are throwing around you be able to one day be the strongest bodybuilder in the world especially with the current level of muscle you have on your chest, back, and legs. All which need to be brought up tremendously if you want to compete seriously one day

Be less about the weight and more about developing your physique as a bodybuilder

IF you are doing that then you are a budding champion powerlifter and should switch over to that.

I really think you need to get more in touch with where you truly are at. You said you are going to bulk up to 275 and then compete at 250 on stage, with where you stand now that is 5+ years off, especially at the rate you have been progressing as you look pretty much the same from the last pics you posted in June. I've been able to show a tremendous amount of improvements in conditioning and size in both my legs, arms, and chest in that amount of time all while in CONTEST PREP.

The reason they are telling you to lean out is so you can get the water and fat off and be lean so you can be judged better. If you want to be a competitive bodybuilder you'll need to put your ego to be heavy to the side and sit back, diet down to see how much lean body mass you really are packing

I know this may hurt but its meant to hopefully knock you into being more realistic and less of giving people long drawn out excuses and explanations.

Good luck

[The Deuce]

SENT YOU A PM BRO.. hope ya don't mind...

[UncleD]

Ok you wanted people to be honest and vicious so here it goes.....

Deuce I think its time for you to be more realistic with yourself

Sorry no offense but I don't see a max squat of 585. I don't even do that much for squat and my legs have twice the muscles yours do. You need to AT least go parallel for most of the time you are squatting. A lot of those maxes seem off, deadlifts with the amount of muscle you are packing in your back which isn't that much. I could see the shoulder press, I don't know about the bench though as you are truly lacking a good bit of muscle there.

You realize at your muscle level and those weights you are throwing around you be able to one day be the strongest bodybuilder in the world especially with the current level of muscle you have on your chest, back, and legs. All which need to be brought up tremendously if you want to compete seriously one day

Be less about the weight and more about developing your physique as a bodybuilder

IF you are doing that then you are a budding champion powerlifter and should switch over to that.

I really think you need to get more in touch with where you truly are at. You said you are going to bulk up to 275 and then compete at 250 on stage, with where you stand now that is 5+ years off, especially at the rate you have been progressing as you look pretty much the same from the last pics you posted in June. I've been able to show a tremendous amount of improvements in conditioning and size in both my legs, arms, and chest in that amount of time all while in CONTEST PREP.

The reason they are telling you to lean out is so you can get the water and fat off and be lean so you can be judged better. If you want to be a competitive bodybuilder you'll need to put your ego to be heavy to the side and sit back, diet down to see how much lean body mass you really are packing

I know this may hurt but its meant to hopefully knock you into being more realistic and less of giving people long drawn out excuses and explanations.

Good luck

wow dude dont hold back tell him how you REALLY feel..not need to beat around the bush.. and just so ya know looks are not everything.. there are guys who are half deuces size pushing more weight..just cause your legs are bigger DONT MEAN JACK SHIOT BUDDY there is a 14yrold at my gym 150lbs and 22" legs squating 315 for 13 FULL reps.. 1 in a billion i guess?

[DSM4Life]

Totally agree with Reed and fire but i still love you Deuce

[The Deuce]

Thank you DSM AWWW !!!

I know u dont mean that in a sexual way because i know I am not ur type, I's got a fat tummy...lol... j/k

So honest opinion guys.. continue and log my progress/diet/updated pictures/workout's
HERE IN THIS THREAD or... Start a new one in the in definitive section for such things.. (The One right below this one)

[Tjohn6231]

Your looking solid. Im shedding a lot of stomach fat right now, and my heaviest weight was 260. I was a fat ass, and still feel like one sometimes, but Im working on it every day. Im around 218 right now. Ill probably have the same problem that you have when I reach my goals, but fook it. Ill still be a solid son of a b*tch.
Even if you never compete, then your still looking much better than 90% of the general population. Keep workin hard, and keep us updated with pics.

[The Deuce]

Thanks bro !!

[Reed]

wow dude dont hold back tell him how you REALLY feel..not need to beat around the bush.. and just so ya know looks are not everything.. there are guys who are half deuces size pushing more weight..just cause your legs are bigger DONT MEAN JACK SHIOT BUDDY there is a 14yrold at my gym 150lbs and 22" legs squating 315 for 13 FULL reps.. 1 in a billion i guess?

thats cool w/ their half reps right post a vid or stfu

[xnotoriousx]

lol....

[FireGuy]

wow dude dont hold back tell him how you REALLY feel..not need to beat around the bush.. and just so ya know looks are not everything.. there are guys who are half deuces size pushing more weight..just cause your legs are bigger DONT MEAN JACK SHIOT BUDDY there is a 14yrold at my gym 150lbs and 22" legs squating 315 for 13 FULL reps.. 1 in a billion i guess?

315 for 13 should equal a 1 rep max of around 465. A triple bodyweight squat at 14???? Sounds like you should call Guiness as the strongest teenager in the world happens to work out at your gym.

[FireGuy]

Sorry if I sound just a tad cynical. I work out at 2 different gyms and watch people load up the weight with double the amount they could handle if they actually did a full range of motion. I watch people do "Curtsey Squats" Bench Presses and even rows that literally have a 6-8 inch range of motion. I was doing incline DB presses yesterday with a pair of 95's. Burying the DB's in my armpits on the way down with a pause. Some skinny kid next to me is using 90's and doing at most, the top 8 inches of the movement. I am sure he tells all his friends he inclines 90's for 10 reps. I would love to put a pair of 70's in his hand and had him try one FULL rep and watch him not being able to budge it. Of course he had ZERO chest development to go along with this as would be expected. SO when you tell me a 14 YO kid with 22 inch legs if FULL squatting 315 for 13 @ 140lbs? I gotta see it to believe it.

[Reed]

yup and btw the deuce admitted in a pm when we were discussing a few things that it is probably more like a quarter rep so i was right, i've been around the block enough to be able to call out bullshit, i have done it so many times here and take people to the gym that claim outrageous numbers and THEN they realize how heavy the weight is and what ROM is about

regardless of the look you still have to have muscle development

plus if you go watch most people that squat that kinda heavy weight that are powerlifters or football players they a have powerlifting suit, belt, and wraps so their squat is not considered raw.

[DSM4Life]

i found uncle squat video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV0B1N1JZOM

[The Deuce]

Sorry if I sound just a tad cynical. I work out at 2 different gyms and watch people load up the weight with double the amount they could handle if they actually did a full range of motion. I watch people do "Curtsey Squats" Bench Presses and even rows that literally have a 6-8 inch range of motion. I was doing incline DB presses yesterday with a pair of 95's. Burying the DB's in my armpits on the way down with a pause. Some skinny kid next to me is using 90's and doing at most, the top 8 inches of the movement. I am sure he tells all his friends he inclines 90's for 10 reps. I would love to put a pair of 70's in his hand and had him try one FULL rep and watch him not being able to budge it. Of course he had ZERO chest development to go along with this as would be expected. SO when you tell me a 14 YO kid with 22 inch legs if FULL squatting 315 for 13 @ 140lbs? I gotta see it to believe it.

Yah I also do not believe this 14 Year old could even come close to it. I know I can go full range of motion for 10 AT MOST with 315lbs. Then When I throw another plate on I can go 6 full ROM. It is when I go above 405lbs. That it almost seems that 1lb. over this weight I can not go all the way down anymore, it is weird... almost as if my brain automatically says DON'T DO IT.. Only go this far, but I will go ahead and throw another plate on, and lower myself and pound myself back up... THEN YET ANOTHER PLATE AND MANAGE TO SQUEEZE OUT A REP... So hence... I call it my 1 rep max.. Obviously I know now that I CAN NOT COUNT that, as much as I would like to, REED has taught me that is not how it works. So yah...

yup and btw the deuce admitted in a pm when we were discussing a few things that it is probably more like a quarter rep so i was right, i've been around the block enough to be able to call out bullshit, i have done it so many times here and take people to the gym that claim outrageous numbers and THEN they realize how heavy the weight is and what ROM is about

regardless of the look you still have to have muscle development

plus if you go watch most people that squat that kinda heavy weight that are powerlifters or football players they a have powerlifting suit, belt, and wraps so their squat is not considered raw.

REED... lol.. A PM is just that.. A PRIVATE MESSAGE.. but thanks for sharing hahahaha !! I don't really care, like I explained above, I got a lot of learning to do, and I am hoping that everyone around here is as willing to offer advice, critical or not, just like you have helped me.

I am gonna work on getting myself going through the FULL ROM on every exercise and accentuate it to the extreme just to check myself to make sure I AM doing it properly.. I guess with the fact of the matter as the gym has become part of my everyday life maybe I have forgotten the basics and fundamentals and that is why my growth has been stalled... so this week in the gym I will do what I can on seeing how well iI am doing each and every exercise in every routine in everyday that I attend the gym...

[FireGuy]

i found uncle squat video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV0B1N1JZOM

That was perfect!

[Reed]

Yah I also do not believe this 14 Year old could even come close to it. I know I can go full range of motion for 10 AT MOST with 315lbs. Then When I throw another plate on I can go 6 full ROM. It is when I go above 405lbs. That it almost seems that 1lb. over this weight I can not go all the way down anymore, it is weird... almost as if my brain automatically says DON'T DO IT.. Only go this far, but I will go ahead and throw another plate on, and lower myself and pound myself back up... THEN YET ANOTHER PLATE AND MANAGE TO SQUEEZE OUT A REP... So hence... I call it my 1 rep max.. Obviously I know now that I CAN NOT COUNT that, as much as I would like to, REED has taught me that is not how it works. So yah...



REED... lol.. A PM is just that.. A PRIVATE MESSAGE.. but thanks for sharing hahahaha !! I don't really care, like I explained above, I got a lot of learning to do, and I am hoping that everyone around here is as willing to offer advice, critical or not, just like you have helped me.

I am gonna work on getting myself going through the FULL ROM on every exercise and accentuate it to the extreme just to check myself to make sure I AM doing it properly.. I guess with the fact of the matter as the gym has become part of my everyday life maybe I have forgotten the basics and fundamentals and that is why my growth has been stalled... so this week in the gym I will do what I can on seeing how well iI am doing each and every exercise in every routine in everyday that I attend the gym...

my bad

[illwillogical]

I don't know who measured you, but I think your stats are off. But still hope everything works out for you.

[UncleD]

thats cool w/ their half reps right post a vid or stfu

lol maybe YOU need to SHUT THE FUK UP buddy i was just saying it IS possiable to lift that much and this kid is a freak and has played football from birth almost..reminds me of when smokethedays said he could lift 365lbs on bench 20 times.. thats what a 10,000lbs bench right??? for one??? and just because you and fireguy do look awsome and fukin ****** ect ect is NO REASON SO LOOK DOWN ON EVERYONE ELSE get off you high horses

[UncleD]

Sorry if I sound just a tad cynical. I work out at 2 different gyms and watch people load up the weight with double the amount they could handle if they actually did a full range of motion. I watch people do "Curtsey Squats" Bench Presses and even rows that literally have a 6-8 inch range of motion. I was doing incline DB presses yesterday with a pair of 95's. Burying the DB's in my armpits on the way down with a pause. Some skinny kid next to me is using 90's and doing at most, the top 8 inches of the movement. I am sure he tells all his friends he inclines 90's for 10 reps. I would love to put a pair of 70's in his hand and had him try one FULL rep and watch him not being able to budge it. Of course he had ZERO chest development to go along with this as would be expected. SO when you tell me a 14 YO kid with 22 inch legs if FULL squatting 315 for 13 @ 140lbs? I gotta see it to believe it.

the kid is 5 foot 5 uses a belt knee wraps and a wide stance and a spot, after the 8th rep the coach gets in on it so idk but 8 true reps no doubt parellel

[UncleD]

i found uncle squat video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV0B1N1JZOM

how did you get a camera in my gym dsm?? lol