Ok, time to clear the air on AAS use for those under 25

[Hazard]

Good post JA..... I myself started early..... i'm 25 right now LOL. I trusted opinions from guys who were in amateur bodybuilding..... guys who were in their 30's..... big..... ripped. I was told 10 weeks of Deca - 250mg's/wk would be awesome for me. No mention of PCT..... no mention of deca d*ck......

The people on this site pointed me in the right direction in my early days here..... I'm thankful for that. I don't have libido issue right now but it's almost as if i can feel that i'm going to. One of the main effects i've noticed from cycling from 18-22 years old was that i used to be able to go 4 rounds with a girl.... no problem. Now.... once i get the rocks off - i'm screwd for atleast an hour or two LOL..... there is no round two.

again..... good post..... I hope some of the young guys listen. All we can do is lead the horse to the water..... not make it drink.....

~Haz~

[nilrac]

I was told 10 weeks of Deca - 250mg's/wk would be awesome for me. No mention of PCT..... no mention of deca d*ck......
~Haz~

You did 10wks of Deca only? Bad experience?

[Hazard]

You did 10wks of Deca only? Bad experience?

Definately not a GOOD experience..... i'll tell you that. I didn't know any better..... and to be honest..... at that time (out of highschool) i thought steroids put size on you if you took em and worked out...... not necessarily from your diet. I was young..... still immature..... and all I wanted was a body no woman could resist. Steroids were the ticket...... so it seemed.

I think the main point to this thread is to get the young guys to open up their eyes and understand that while you can take steroids for a long portion of your life and walk away perfectly fine..... there is DEFINATELY a risk of putting exogenous hormones into your body. If you're going to start young..... you better know how to use steroids and not abuse them.

In my honest opinion.... if your 18 years old..... 170lbs..... 6'0" - you have NO BUSINESS touching steroids. If someone like that was anywhere near ready for steroids they'd be over 200lbs. All this tells me is that they don't have all their ducks in a row..... the diet is off..... their training split could be off..... they don't know their body yet. This is where things go wrong.....

~Haz~

[seriousmass]

I think the main point to this thread is to get the young guys to open up their eyes and understand that while you can take steroids for a long portion of your life and walk away perfectly fine..... there is DEFINATELY a risk of putting exogenous hormones into your body. If you're going to start young..... you better know how to use steroids and not abuse them.

Well said.

[Juice Authority]

I think the main point to this thread is to get the young guys to open up their eyes and understand that while you can take steroids for a long portion of your life and walk away perfectly fine..... there is DEFINATELY a risk of putting exogenous hormones into your body. If you're going to start young..... you better know how to use steroids and not abuse them.

That was the sole purpose of this thread. If you ask 'most' people in their mid to late 30s that started cycling at an early age 'most' will tell you that knowing what they know now they would have waited. Hindsight is always 20/20 but unfortuately 'most' people have to learn through their own experience.

[nilrac]

In my honest opinion.... if your 18 years old..... 170lbs..... 6'0" - you have NO BUSINESS touching steroids. If someone like that was anywhere near ready for steroids they'd be over 200lbs. All this tells me is that they don't have all their ducks in a row..... the diet is off..... their training split could be off..... they don't know their body yet. This is where things go wrong.....
~Haz~

Firstly, I appreciate the response. Secondly, I agree that an individual should maximise their training naturally before even contemplating gear. And then they should do alot of research into the subject.

The only other point I'd make though, is this idea that everybody has to be atleast 200Lbs naturally before they should touch gear. That seems to be the general rule of thumb on this forum, however, alot of people are just never going to attain that kind of lean weight, naturally.

Although I am a firm believer of lifestyle affecting who we become mentally and physically, and diet being a huge part of that, we can't avoid the fact that genetics also do contribute to the end result.

So to say that somebody HAS to be 200Lbs, low bf % NATURAL, before touching gear, to me, seems unrealistic and maybe even a little silly. It depends on the individual, hell even their basic height! And I highly doubt that the majority of users on this forum had a lean, natural base of 200Lbs before deciding to juice. Most people probably decide to juice because they are nowhere near 200Lbs natty...

So my point, I guess... if you are 5ft 10', 185Lbs, great natural base with low BF%... then by the rule of thumb on this forum, you are not ready to take gear, just because of your overall poundage. I don't agree. I do agree though, that age is a very important aspect of deciding when to take steroids, as is general health (BF% etc, how long you've trained, etc etc etc). 18 years to me, is too young. 25... much more acceptable.

Just my two. Peace.

[Matt]

Firstly, I appreciate the response. Secondly, I agree that an individual should maximise their training naturally before even contemplating gear. And then they should do alot of research into the subject.

The only other point I'd make though, is this idea that everybody has to be atleast 200Lbs naturally before they should touch gear. That seems to be the general rule of thumb on this forum, however, alot of people are just never going to attain that kind of lean weight, naturally.

Although I am a firm believer of lifestyle affecting who we become mentally and physically, and diet being a huge part of that, we can't avoid the fact that genetics also do contribute to the end result.

So to say that somebody HAS to be 200Lbs, low bf % NATURAL, before touching gear, to me, seems unrealistic and maybe even a little silly. It depends on the individual, hell even their basic height! And I highly doubt that the majority of users on this forum had a lean, natural base of 200Lbs before deciding to juice. Most people probably decide to juice because they are nowhere near 200Lbs natty...

So my point, I guess... if you are 5ft 10', 185Lbs, great natural base with low BF%... then by the rule of thumb on this forum, you are not ready to take gear, just because of your overall poundage. I don't agree. I do agree though, that age is a very important aspect of deciding when to take steroids, as is general health (BF% etc, how long you've trained, etc etc etc). 18 years to me, is too young. 25... much more acceptable.

Just my two. Peace.

Very well stated, however ive not seen many people on here being told that they must be 200lbs low bf before they should cycle.

I have seen the thread that Big uses alot and im sure the title is "If your 5'10 and under 160lbs then your diet sucks", I agree to some degree with this statement.

Time and time again ive seen people ask for a first cycle plan and when asked for stats they reply, 5'10, 6' ect with a body weight of 145lbs, they claim to be on a great diet but when their diet is posted its horrible.
Their eating between 2000 and 2500 cals a day.

I think the problem is that alot of people want to use steroids as an alternative to eating correctly, (the lazy option). Again imo it comes back to the age thing, most of these guy's that see steroids as an alternative tend to be between the ages of 17/22....

[Hazard]

Firstly, I appreciate the response. Secondly, I agree that an individual should maximise their training naturally before even contemplating gear. And then they should do alot of research into the subject.

The only other point I'd make though, is this idea that everybody has to be atleast 200Lbs naturally before they should touch gear. That seems to be the general rule of thumb on this forum, however, alot of people are just never going to attain that kind of lean weight, naturally.

Although I am a firm believer of lifestyle affecting who we become mentally and physically, and diet being a huge part of that, we can't avoid the fact that genetics also do contribute to the end result.

So to say that somebody HAS to be 200Lbs, low bf % NATURAL, before touching gear, to me, seems unrealistic and maybe even a little silly. It depends on the individual, hell even their basic height! And I highly doubt that the majority of users on this forum had a lean, natural base of 200Lbs before deciding to juice. Most people probably decide to juice because they are nowhere near 200Lbs natty...

So my point, I guess... if you are 5ft 10', 185Lbs, great natural base with low BF%... then by the rule of thumb on this forum, you are not ready to take gear, just because of your overall poundage. I don't agree. I do agree though, that age is a very important aspect of deciding when to take steroids, as is general health (BF% etc, how long you've trained, etc etc etc). 18 years to me, is too young. 25... much more acceptable.

Just my two. Peace.

Yes there are exceptions to the 200lb rule of thumb i stated.... there are exceptions with everything. If your 6'0 185lbs...... been training for 10 years...... something is off if your goal is to get big. Christ.... I was 6'1" 175lbs wet in highschool..... i didn't know a thing about dieting and I STILL got to 200lbs before my 1st cycle.

Is this the case for everyone..... no. It's a general "rule of thumb" I use to help guide people in the right direction. Each individual person is different and their genetics certainly play a role in what they can attain naturally. I probably should have been more clear in that 1st statement LOL.....

~Haz~

[Juice Authority]

Firstly, I appreciate the response. Secondly, I agree that an individual should maximise their training naturally before even contemplating gear. And then they should do alot of research into the subject.

The only other point I'd make though, is this idea that everybody has to be atleast 200Lbs naturally before they should touch gear. That seems to be the general rule of thumb on this forum, however, alot of people are just never going to attain that kind of lean weight, naturally.

Although I am a firm believer of lifestyle affecting who we become mentally and physically, and diet being a huge part of that, we can't avoid the fact that genetics also do contribute to the end result.

So to say that somebody HAS to be 200Lbs, low bf % NATURAL, before touching gear, to me, seems unrealistic and maybe even a little silly. It depends on the individual, hell even their basic height! And I highly doubt that the majority of users on this forum had a lean, natural base of 200Lbs before deciding to juice. Most people probably decide to juice because they are nowhere near 200Lbs natty...

So my point, I guess... if you are 5ft 10', 185Lbs, great natural base with low BF%... then by the rule of thumb on this forum, you are not ready to take gear, just because of your overall poundage. I don't agree. I do agree though, that age is a very important aspect of deciding when to take steroids, as is general health (BF% etc, how long you've trained, etc etc etc). 18 years to me, is too young. 25... much more acceptable.
Just my two. Peace.

Excellent point. Completely agree. I'm barely in the 200 pound club right now.

[LickAlotOfPuss]

Excellent point. Completely agree. I'm barely in the 200 pound club right now.

100% agree with you, awesome