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[yucon92]

i hope he doesnt fail also cause i live here but sounds to me like all hes gonna do is help the ones thatdont wanna work and spit out 14 babies and get paid fot it while the decent hard working middle class gets rapped

[Dancer]

i hope he doesnt fail also cause i live here but sounds to me like all hes gonna do is help the ones thatdont wanna work and spit out 14 babies and get paid fot it while the decent hard working middle class gets rapped

I am not sure what anyone can expect from one man...

Look at the facts there is not too many sectors of he economy that are doing even good... few to none that are doing great.

Is this program another step at throughing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks, prob yes.

Can anyone blaim one man, sure people can blaim just Bush or just Obama but its not realistic. The fact of the matter is that the mofo is trying. Pro or against Obama/Bush many can't argue that effort is being put in to do something.

Are social welfare prgrams being funded at greater rates than before, sure they are. I have a friend who's wife went through R.N. school after her prior company shut down, the extended unemployment program helped. So, not all persons on extended welfare programs are draining blood.

There not an easy solution. I wish there was.

[Immortal Soldier]

funny how u say bush/cheney single handily destroyed our economy.
then u say obama is just a man, he cannot single handily change anything, he needs congress..why was ccongress left out of ur blame with bush, tey passed the laws for deregulation allowing wall streets/ finance sector to run wild.

during bush last term, congress was the same it is today, a disaster, far left mental liberals led by someone who should be considered a domestic terrorist nancy pelosi..

and take ur own advise, dont place n=blame on one man, or even two...blame the entire US givernment..

The difference here is Bush had a republican majority in both houses that BACKED him blindly, Obama has a democratic majority now in both houses, but the Dems themselves cannot agree on what they want let alone agree with the Republicans

The only time laws get passed is when the houses match the President's party, except in this case the Dems cannot agree on what is better saving the American economy or saving their face for the upcoming election. Nobody wants to be the person who "fails" with health care, the Republicans put it down so in case it does fail they can say "Its the dems fault" and the Dems cannot agree because they want the bill to be perfect to avoid failing.

btw, the f-22 is not pure waste, useful airplanes were delivered...maybe they are quite a bit more costly then the joint strike fighter, but the joint strike fighter is not a direct replacement for the f-22...it's a pig in a dog fight. The pentagon wastes a ton, but it was an airplane they wanted, and it was a massive leap forward. We will fly that plane for the next 20-30 years even though we don't produce it anymore. It's like calling the f-16 a pet project because we don't make them anymore.

Yeah, go research the F-22, the program was becoming a coffin call, more planes were going down and problems surfacing in the aircraft TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROGRAM then in the beginning. Hence why Obama halted all flights until an investigation was put it.

The F-22 is a "Hollywood plane" pure and simple, it looks nice and has all the gadgets, but what is its use? Who have we fought or going to fight that will be able to challenge us in the air effectively? Russia and China are years away from releasing their new fighter jets and a conflict with them in the near future is slim to none.

The plane itself is a quagmire, for every hour of flight it needs 30 hours of maintenance think about it the plane is as tough as Paris Hilton. It needs more work to survive than Joan Rivers' face.

The F-35 is a cheaper yet effective alternative for the current climate, it's not like terrorists are magically going to develop an air force. The F-22 has not seen combat in a while and probably won't for a while.

The F-16 was and still is the ideal image of the airforce it is versatile/cheaper/effective and still one of the best fighter aircrafts in the world if not the best (but lets not go there because then it becomes a debate over the new Russian Migs vs F-16's)

[Kratos]

Yeah, go research the F-22, the program was becoming a coffin call, more planes were going down and problems surfacing in the aircraft TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROGRAM then in the beginning. Hence why Obama halted all flights until an investigation was put it.

The F-22 is a "Hollywood plane" pure and simple, it looks nice and has all the gadgets, but what is its use? Who have we fought or going to fight that will be able to challenge us in the air effectively? Russia and China are years away from releasing their new fighter jets and a conflict with them in the near future is slim to none.

The plane itself is a quagmire, for every hour of flight it needs 30 hours of maintenance think about it the plane is as tough as Paris Hilton. It needs more work to survive than Joan Rivers' face.

The F-35 is a cheaper yet effective alternative for the current climate, it's not like terrorists are magically going to develop an air force. The F-22 has not seen combat in a while and probably won't for a while.

The F-16 was and still is the ideal image of the airforce it is versatile/cheaper/effective and still one of the best fighter aircrafts in the world if not the best (but lets not go there because then it becomes a debate over the new Russian Migs vs F-16's)

I know the problems with the F-22. There is a diffence between unintentionally developing an expensive airplane with problems, then flushing money down the toilet. Sometimes innovation isn't a straight line. They're made by the same company...no? So you don't think much of the devolopment costs for the JSF carry over to the f-22 program? Look at the photo, can you even tell which one is which?

If they can solve the cost of flight hour issue, it will be the superior fighter plane and the best plane in a dogfight we've ever built. Do they need it? prolly not, but development began far before Bush.

[Immortal Soldier]

I know the problems with the F-22. There is a diffence between unintentionally developing an expensive airplane with problems, then flushing money down the toilet. Sometimes innovation isn't a straight line. They're made by the same company...no? So you don't think much of the devolopment costs for the JSF carry over to the f-22 program? Look at the photo, can you even tell which one is which?

If they can solve the cost of flight hour issue, it will be the superior fighter plane and the best plane in a dogfight we've ever built. Do they need it? prolly not, but development began far before Bush.

Yes, I can tell which one is which. The bottom is clearly the F-22, the differences are more than noticeable to anyone with an idea of what an F-22 looks like.

The JSF is not necessarily the better of the two fighters, but it is the more economical version. Do you think the military really wants to have airplanes that take over 2 days of repairs and maintenance after they were in the air for only 2 hours?

No, this plane is made for dogfighting and I can tell you something if this its not going to survive if it is a prima donna that needs 30 hours of maintenance for one hour in the fvcking air. Not because its not strong enough because it is, but because it has no endurance, no ability to accept wear and tear.

The military is taking the right approach, canceling the F-22 at around 230 planes and deciding to order some 2,300+ F-35's.

[Kratos]

Yes, I can tell which one is which. The bottom is clearly the F-22, the differences are more than noticeable to anyone with an idea of what an F-22 looks like.
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Namely the shape of the wings, fins, and indentation in the aircraft body for a second engine. You have to agree they are very similar aircraft.

The development cost of the raptor is 2/3 of the price. Lets wait to see long term data on f-35 performance, and see if they are delivered on budget to see if they are really cheaper.

The reason the Virgina class sub was developed at a huge cost was because the seawolf was too expensive to produce. Except somehow it ended up costing more per boat to make...go figure.

Anyway, the program had reached maturity. It was dead with or without Obama. The pentagon didn't want any more of them, plain and simple. That isn't going to stop them from spending 8 billion to upgrade the ones they have.

The only people who were fighting for it were congress-men in districts that had jobs at stake. Defense contractors learned a long time ago, the best way to make it difficult to cancel a program is to sprinkle jobs around the country.

To me saying they wasted money over here so we can't complain about the money they wasted over there is the wrong way to look at it. Complain about both.