well that i can agree with. but thats also true with any steroid, not only winstrol. i know what you mean. all dht compounds are great for giving you the appearance that you lost fat when really you just dont hold on to any water on them. also, when dieting down, a strong androgen will do nicely to give the body a preference to burn fat rather than muscle. glad we cleared that up. we can be friends now and laugh about this later.