Current Natural Progress

[dedic8ed1]

Please remember you are talking to a guy who competed for nearly 2 decades 100% DRUG FREE. I actually dont have any problems with the advice you have given and agree with most of what you say.My concern is that it has gone from advice to more of "self promotion". I have prepped many individuals for many contests but you will not see me using the forums as a platform to promote myself. Nark has probably whipped more people into shape and made more physique transformations than he can remember but we dont see him doing this either.

I think you bring a lot to the table and I hope you continue to post. I think you will find you will be much better received if you quit with the "listen only to me" type of statements.

Should I let you know when another member pm's me to counsel them to achieve there goal and ask your permission if I'm allowed to help?.... Better received?I think my reception is fine...Clearly I've ruffled your feathers if your comparing me to your self and Corey Springer?I'll never accomplish in bodybuilding competitively what you have or what Corey has and still may in the future.I'm just a working class mundane,humble single dad who enjoys helping people achieve difficult goals by inspiring and advising in my own way.If in some way the way I do things has ruffled your feathers I can't apologize for that.All I can say is that this is my way and I'm gonna continue to help others my way.

I would like to apologize to srebrenica for this drama on his thread.

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!

[BG]

I believe it gives the individual a sense of close personal attention.I'm trying to make a difference in people,some say they want to reach there goal I say I'm gonna make sure of it.

#2 It provokes thought as this high jacked thread fully demonstrates.
Refer to BG quote.
Agreed,there has been dealer solicitation beware.
Noted.I'm solicited several times a month from members who want my guidance not personal information.

Let me set the record straight.I like "Taking people under my wing"because it gives me a sense of accomplishment that I raised your quality of life through something so demanding of the individual it turns you into a better person.Raising moral,self respect and discipline.Your gonna really know what your made of when achieving something great that you never thought was possible. Especially when it's done naturally,DRUG FREE.If the way I do things is considered wrong your certainly entitled to your opinion.

Now you did do a good job on yourself but what other qualifications do you have to pm members and " Take them under your wing " ? As I remember you were recently asking pretty basic advice. Also, big thing is you know your own body, but what worked for you wont always work for other so back to my first statement.

With you jumping straight in telling someone to pm is not the way to go. If infact you have made this huge jump in dietary knowledge please share...Ill keep a look out for people trying to hyjack your conversations, by you telling the member to pm you are the one hyjacking. Its best if a person can get as many points of veiw and have as many other people hear all his/her questions so the best possible advice can be given.

[dedic8ed1]

Now you did do a good job on yourself but what other qualifications do you have to pm members and " Take them under your wing " ? As I remember you were recently asking pretty basic advice. Also, big thing is you know your own body, but what worked for you wont always work for other so back to my first statement.

With you jumping straight in telling someone to pm is not the way to go. If infact you have made this huge jump in dietary knowledge please share...Ill keep a look out for people trying to hyjack your conversations, by you telling the member to pm you are the one hyjacking. Its best if a person can get as many points of veiw and have as many other people hear all his/her questions so the best possible advice can be given.

I was already working with srebrenica before he started the thread.Both his diet and training post are copy and pasted from myself.Too many points of view is where we have different views.This is become a bit of a pissing contest and I no longer care for it.I have my way and everyone else has there's.

[FireGuy]

I was already working with srebrenica before he started the thread.Both his diet and training post are copy and pasted from myself.Too many points of view is where we have different views.This is become a bit of a pissing contest and I no longer care for it.I have my way and everyone else has there's.

So basically you are having your "clients" or "subjects" start threads who are under your guidence and are not doing so for advice or opinions of members but to give you a forum to show what your diet and training tips are doing for them. Like I stated earlier "self promotion".

I dont even have an issue with it but just open your own thread called Dedicateds Transformations or Dedicated Clients Results and have all your clients post their results there.

[dedic8ed1]

So basically you are having your "clients" or "subjects" start threads who are under your guidence and are not doing so for advice or opinions of members but to give you a forum to show what your diet and training tips are doing for them. Like I stated earlier "self promotion".

I dont even have an issue with it but just open your own thread called Dedicateds Transformations or Dedicated Clients Results and have all your clients post their results there.

He was posting what he was doing and in no way promoting me at my request.Someone gave him"props"on his diet he then replied "props"to dedic8ed1 he wrote me the diet.He must like my protocol and from what I can tell so do a lot of other members.

[srebrenica]

first of all i pm dedic8ed1 long time ago asking him for this help because he had good reputation on this forum and i seen him help people out. When i pm him, he told me he was pretty busy so he would help me the next day i was thinking thats an excuse not to help me but i was totally wrong. He truly helped me out. Since that time i have been following this diet/workout and i didn't listen to anyone else am pround of my results. I am going continue to listen to him

When i started this thread i was not trying to promote dedic8ed1 i was just posting my results. This knowledge helped me out but without my hard work i would not achieve what i have so far

When dedic8ed1 was helping juturna? out the guy was about to start a cycle everyone was promoting him start a cycle but dedic8ed was great friend told him he had alot of growing to do and the guy had great potentinal. that shows what kind of person he is.

Everyone does things differently on this forum and i like how dedic8ed1 does things around here.

[dedic8ed1]

first of all i pm dedic8ed1 long time ago asking him for this help because he had good reputation on this forum and i seen him help people out. When i pm him, he told me he was pretty busy so he would help me the next day i was thinking thats an excuse not to help me but i was totally wrong. He truly helped me out. Since that time i have been following this diet/workout and i didn't listen to anyone else am pround of my results. I am going continue to listen to him

When i started this thread i was not trying to promote dedic8ed1 i was just posting my results. This knowledge helped me out but without my hard work i would not achieve what i have so far

When dedic8ed1 was helping juturna? out the guy was about to start a cycle everyone was promoting him start a cycle but dedic8ed was great friend told him he had alot of growing to do and the guy had great potentinal. that shows what kind of person he is.

Everyone does things differently on this forum and i like how dedic8ed1 does things around here.

Its a shame how people see things.I'm the major target of a smear campaign by vets who don't appreciate the close personal attention I provide the rite individual who I can see has what it takes to just focus on the task at hand,put excuses aside and complete the task at hand.What's important is that you see my focus is your success.You've got 12 more weeks of bulking and I'm gonna be here for every lb of muscle gained and every oz of fat peeled of to reveal your best condition ever during the following 16 weeks.

Thanks for the reinforcement to the powers that be.Your stock couldn't be any higher.

And as far as looking like the guy in your target condition picture.It's here nor there.In time your gonna be the best srebrenica and that's all any one of us can be happy with the best that were provided with.

First pic after I lost all the herniated disc in jury weight.
Second pic the first week of training to get the weight off in 06
Third pic is week 10 of last contest prep simulation.
I could go on and on but at the end of the day I had a goal I didn't quit and when the task was over the bar was raised and the new road to travel is going to be harder more demanding then before and I will relish in the challenge.Consensus,were always gonna wanna be better but at what cost.You gonna reach your goal but in your case in what time??

[**TOP**]

ok to be as cut as that guy naturally you would have to have amazing genetics. .

Really!! Shows how much you know!

[Epic1]

in under 3 years at that size? ok mr all natural soft look guy

[Juturna]

I'm not going to add to the fire - but I will say a small piece.

I definitely think Dedic8ed's remark about PM'ing him and 'follow my advice' were misconstrued entirely - I don't feel he did it as a form of self-promotion - I think he did it for a few good reasons.

1. Through PM's - the OP will obviously receive D's full attention - and it won't be interrupted by various fights, flaming, bad advice or even just someone saying "Nah, I don't agree, do this...".
2. After the OP get's D's advice - he can always make another post saying, "Hey guys, any other opinions on this diet?" and post it. I did this, and I've been helped other than by D, but by Jamy, Phate, and many others who also put their two cents in.
3. I believe that D saying 'listen to me only' etc, is so people learning don't hear;
(example; "Yeah chicken is the best" and replace their red meat with it when it truly is needed).

I don't care about this petty fighting - I just things were misconstrued and hopefully some people see how I interpreted it. D's been a big help to me with diet and even on a personal level at times - he's a good guy in my book - I just think there's miscommunication.

Good luck OP.

[**TOP**]

in under 3 years at that size? ok mr all natural soft look guy

I never said anything about size, i was referring to your comment about bodyfat dont put words in my mouth!


"ok to be as cut as that guy naturally you would have to have amazing genetics"




I have seen many guys that cut that are at natural competitions. Having said that the OP will NEVER look like that guy,and that guy will never look like him. You will look like YOUshredded down to 2% bodyfat and nobody else. you may be veiny ,you may not be, but you can get as lean as that guy in the 3rd pic i promise!

[dedic8ed1]

I'm not going to add to the fire - but I will say a small piece.

I definitely think Dedic8ed's remark about PM'ing him and 'follow my advice' were misconstrued entirely - I don't feel he did it as a form of self-promotion - I think he did it for a few good reasons.

1. Through PM's - the OP will obviously receive D's full attention - and it won't be interrupted by various fights, flaming, bad advice or even just someone saying "Nah, I don't agree, do this...".
2. After the OP get's D's advice - he can always make another post saying, "Hey guys, any other opinions on this diet?" and post it. I did this, and I've been helped other than by D, but by Jamy, Phate, and many others who also put their two cents in.
3. I believe that D saying 'listen to me only' etc, is so people learning don't hear;
(example; "Yeah chicken is the best" and replace their red meat with it when it truly is needed).

I don't care about this petty fighting - I just things were misconstrued and hopefully some people see how I interpreted it. D's been a big help to me with diet and even on a personal level at times - he's a good guy in my book - I just think there's miscommunication.

Good luck OP.

You believe the heat I'm catching for this C?Unreal.Thanks for the reinforcement.

I never said anything about size, i was referring to your comment about bodyfat


"ok to be as cut as that guy naturally you would have to have amazing genetics"




I have seen many guys that cut that are at natural competitions. Having said that the OP will NEVER look like that guy,and that guy will never look like him. You will look like YOUshredded down to 2% bodyfat and nobody else. you may be veiny ,you may not be, but you can get as lean as that guy in the 3rd pic i promise!

Great work buddy!!

[BG]

Its a shame how people see things.I'm the major target of a smear campaign by vets who don't appreciate the close personal attention I provide the rite individual who I can see has what it takes to just focus on the task at hand,put excuses aside and complete the task at hand.?

O stop it. Now you sound like a politician thats hiding something or has a hidden agenda. What I do see is a CAMPAIGN of some sorts, but its coming from you. We are looking out for the members of the board, thats our job. When any member solicites others through pms we have to investigate. Why pm's, so people can hide things or else they wouldnt mind sharing their knowledge in public. Again, what gives you the right to jump in and pm members and hyjack their threads?? You made a nice transformation, you were dumpy fat (diet must have been HORRIBLE) now your skinny, seen MANY people do that many ways. But what makes you think just the way you did its is right for that person and that you just by yourself are qualified to help them reach their desired results???

[BG]

I never said anything about size, i was referring to your comment about bodyfat dont put words in my mouth!


"ok to be as cut as that guy naturally you would have to have amazing genetics"




I have seen many guys that cut that are at natural competitions. Having said that the OP will NEVER look like that guy,and that guy will never look like him. You will look like YOUshredded down to 2% bodyfat and nobody else. you may be veiny ,you may not be, but you can get as lean as that guy in the 3rd pic i promise!

Very nice !!! Ever have skin problems from all the tanning products on your face? I have bad skin and this worries me, was thinking of leaving my face lighter then my body but it looks weird when your on stage.

[Bigmax]

Please remember you are talking to a guy who competed for nearly 2 decades 100% DRUG FREE. I actually dont have any problems with the advice you have given and agree with most of what you say.My concern is that it has gone from advice to more of "self promotion". I have prepped many individuals for many contests but you will not see me using the forums as a platform to promote myself. Nark has probably whipped more people into shape and made more physique transformations than he can remember but we dont see him doing this either.

I think you bring a lot to the table and I hope you continue to post. I think you will find you will be much better received if you quit with the "listen only to me" type of statements.

I agree with Fireguy 100%....

[Bigmax]

O stop it. Now you sound like a politician thats hiding something or has a hidden agenda. What I do see is a CAMPAIGN of some sorts, but its coming from you. We are looking out for the members of the board, thats our job. When any member solicites others through pms we have to investigate. Why pm's, so people can hide things or else they wouldnt mind sharing their knowledge in public. Again, what gives you the right to jump in and pm members and hyjack their threads?? You made a nice transformation, you were dumpy fat (diet must have been HORRIBLE) now your skinny, seen MANY people do that many ways. But what makes you think just the way you did its is right for that person and that you just by yourself are qualified to help them reach their desired results???

And with BG 100%

[srebrenica]

Having said that the OP will NEVER look like that guy,and that guy will never look like him.

Is impossible to look like that guy because of my body structure

[**TOP**]

Having said that the OP will NEVER look like that guy,and that guy will never look like him.

Is impossible to look like that guy because of my body structure

I have clients all the time that tell me they want to look like ryan reynolds or brad pitt, Well mr. client you will never look like them because you are you. The same way brad pitt will never look like mr. client! Im not saying you cant get that lean or have an awesome physique,im saying your personal bodystructure will never look like a cloned brad pitt etc..... The same way fire guy will never look like me and i will never look like him! We both could be 2% bodyfat and look nothing alike! does that sense???


Im really glad you are asking questions!

[srebrenica]

i understand now, but how do u know if you have completed different or alike body structure based on what

[MuscleScience]

i understand now, but how do u know if you have completed different or alike body structure based on what

Genetics!

[srebrenica]

based on pictures do i have similar structure and on the picture you can see bicep and triceps seperated is that having good genetics or low bf

[MuscleScience]

based on pictures do i have similar structure and on the picture you can see bicep and triceps seperated is that having good genetics or low bf

I think you have a good base to start, once you put on some more muscle and lower you BF a little I think you would look pretty fit. I think the better way to think about it is compared to the rest of the adult male population out there you would be a man among men if you catch my drift.

[srebrenica]

The picture inspires me to keep going even though i might not make to that level without steroids.

[MuscleScience]

The picture inspires me to keep going even though i might not make to that level without steroids.

I truly think if you work hard and keep to a regular regime that you will exceed your goals and expectations for yourself, steroids or not. Remember steroids are one tool among a larger bag of tools. If you dont have the drive and hunger for the total lifestyle then steroids are not for you. What I mean is you have to be dedicated completely to diet, training, rest and avoiding destructive behaviors that will hinder your progress before you even think of taking them.

[dedic8ed1]

O stop it. Now you sound like a politician thats hiding something or has a hidden agenda. What I do see is a CAMPAIGN of some sorts, but its coming from you. We are looking out for the members of the board, thats our job. When any member solicites others through pms we have to investigate. Why pm's, so people can hide things or else they wouldnt mind sharing their knowledge in public. Again, what gives you the right to jump in and pm members and hyjack their threads?? You made a nice transformation, you were dumpy fat (diet must have been HORRIBLE) now your skinny, seen MANY people do that many ways. But what makes you think just the way you did its is right for that person and that you just by yourself are qualified to help them reach their desired results???

Rite....Now the insults.OP MADE IT CLEAR IN POST #46 I didn't high jack sir.Your repetitive 2 cents are the only high jacking I can see.But your a vet and it's your job I know......Shouldn't such matters be dealt with in PM'S?But what do I know I was fat and dumpy...

[srebrenica]

It all depends how well your dedicated genetics might slow your results but just have to stick to it thanks for all your help musclescience

[MuscleScience]

It all depends how well your dedicated genetics might slow your results but just have to stick to it thanks for all your help musclescience

Your welcome and anytime!!!

Good Luck with everything and keep learning...

[marcus300]

I believe it gives the individual a sense of close personal attention.I'm trying to make a difference in people,some say they want to reach there goal I say I'm gonna make sure of it.

#2 It provokes thought as this high jacked thread fully demonstrates.







Refer to BG quote.



Agreed,there has been dealer solicitation beware.


Noted.



I'm solicited several times a month from members who want my guidance not personal information.

Let me set the record straight.I like "Taking people under my wing"because it gives me a sense of accomplishment that I raised your quality of life through something so demanding of the individual it turns you into a better person.Raising moral,self respect and discipline.Your gonna really know what your made of when achieving something great that you never thought was possible. Especially when it's done naturally,DRUG FREE.If the way I do things is considered wrong your certainly entitled to your opinion.

But your not natural so why claim you are??

All this secret pming doesnt look good IMHO espcially coming from someone who claims to be natural but clearly isnt. Why lie?

[dedic8ed1]

But your not natural so why claim you are??

All this secret pming doesnt look good IMHO espcially coming from someone who claims to be natural but clearly isnt. Why lie?

Now I'm a liar? I've said I've done cycles in the past. I've stated in many post that my last cycle ended August 08.I also PM'd Big before he was banned that I wanted my Test E,Equipoise,Anavar thread removed with my before and after pics to no longer influence the easily impressionable new guys on gear being the answer to there ideal body they want. Certainly doing gear even once means your no longer natural but what I just did for 24 weeks from Feb 27th to last month was in no way contributed by gear.The more I defend myself the more of the bosses come out.I don't get it.I respect all the members here and the vets.This is a huge misunderstanding that was cleared up by the OP.So now as far as the powers that be are concerned I'm a fat dumpy liar.How low is this gonna go.Huh,all this from helping someone in a different way.

[Juturna]

Ha - half these vets come on once a week. That's worse IMO than where a person gives advice. Never once have I heard Dedic8ed claim to be natty - only elaborate how important a proper diet and training program is.

Mere months ago - vets were smart. Now that a lot of the great ones have left - we're stuck with these fools. Yes you will say "Fool? I've been doing this longer than you and blah, blah." ... Well maybe you vets need to take a break - your causing fights for no reason.

Ever since Fireguy became a Vet him and BG became butt buddies, they gang up on just about everything they can see - retarded.

You are what brought AR down and you need a break - but since that'll never happen, we all know your too proud - just ban me.

You all idiots for starting this fight.

[Juturna]

Ha - half these vets come on once a week. That's worse IMO than where a person gives advice. Never once have I heard Dedic8ed claim to be natty - only elaborate how important a proper diet and training program is.

Mere months ago - vets were smart. Now that a lot of the great ones have left - we're stuck with these fools. Yes you will say "Fool? I've been doing this longer than you and blah, blah." ... Well maybe you vets need to take a break - your causing fights for no reason.

Ever since Fireguy became a Vet him and BG became butt buddies, they gang up on just about everything they can see - retarded.

You are what brought AR down and you need a break - but since that'll never happen, we all know your too proud - just ban me.

You all idiots for starting this fight.

[srebrenica]

i just dont get this someone just has to come on this thread say something about dedic8ed1 move on with life he's been a great help to me and others if you dont have something worth saying dont post anything

[Epic1]

Ever since Fireguy became a Vet him and BG became butt buddies, they gang up on just about everything they can see - retarded.

Some could say the same about you and dedicated. Actually the more you post the more i cant stand you. Everything you say to people is bascially just talking down to them like you know EVERYTHING. you put on a few lbs. Then "started" steroids and then decided to quit for "personal reasons" and now preach to all of us that natural is the best way to go. You- imo are a hypocrite premadonna post your own progress pics in everyone's thread for attention kinda person that i think more then me are sick of reading.

[Juturna]

Some could say the same about you and dedicated. Actually the more you post the more i cant stand you. Everything you say to people is bascially just talking down to them like you know EVERYTHING. you put on a few lbs. Then "started" steroids and then decided to quit for "personal reasons" and now preach to all of us that natural is the best way to go. You- imo are a hypocrite premadonna post your own progress pics in everyone's thread for attention kinda person that i think more then me are sick of reading.

I defended the guy - far from starting a fight. Please feel free to let me know where I talk down to people - I've done nothing but listen and try to help here.

I don't preach that natural is the best way to go - I state that it's the best way to start.

[marcus300]

Ha - half these vets come on once a week. That's worse IMO than where a person gives advice. Never once have I heard Dedic8ed claim to be natty - only elaborate how important a proper diet and training program is.

Mere months ago - vets were smart. Now that a lot of the great ones have left - we're stuck with these fools. Yes you will say "Fool? I've been doing this longer than you and blah, blah." ... Well maybe you vets need to take a break - your causing fights for no reason.

Ever since Fireguy became a Vet him and BG became butt buddies, they gang up on just about everything they can see - retarded.

You are what brought AR down and you need a break - but since that'll never happen, we all know your too proud - just ban me.

You all idiots for starting this fight.

I think your comments on the vets and Mods is uncalled for and seeing that you have made the effect to give your opinion I will try my best to do the same.

All ive seen from you is some young kid giving advice on subjects you have no idea about, you have only just learnt how to wipe your own arse let alone answer questions on chemicals you have never used or have any idea how they work within the human body, to me this is foolish and reckless especially coming from a young kid who was asking the same questions 3 months ago!!

There are not many words what describe a person like you but I will dig deep and try my best - Do you know the first sh1t a newborn baby has? thats you son!

[Juturna]

Spoken like the type of person that should be in charge of this board...

I didn't call the vets out or say what I said for no reason - look in the mirror and watch how your all acting.

I may be young but I've obtained something you have yet to - maturity.

[marcus300]

Spoken like the type of person that should be in charge of this board...

I didn't call the vets out or say what I said for no reason - look in the mirror and watch how your all acting.

I may be young but I've obtained something you have yet to - maturity.

Let me try and answer your stupid post -

I am not in charge of this board, Admin is

I questioned dedic8ed1 because he stated in this thread he was natural and was putting this forward strongly, i know he isnt natural thats why i asked the question, i also questioned secret pming because it doesnt look good on a open board, he did answer me and that was the end of the matter.

Now i have you stating your mature, if you look back it was you who suddenly came into this thread with guns blazing, real mature!. Giving advice on subjects you was asking questions about 3 months ago isnt mature and yet again is reckless and foolish.

You make empty statements all the time and they carry no weight what so ever, if you didnt try so hard to come across as you know it all I am sure you would be a good guy, but you spoil yourself so much with this attitude and foolish comments, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Also looking over this thread i am not the only one who thinks that about you, now with your so called mature mind i want you to digest what ive said and go away and stop destroying this thread and let it get back on track.

[*El Diablo*]

Wow, great work there bud, absolutely dedication right there.....

I never said anything about size, i was referring to your comment about bodyfat dont put words in my mouth!


"ok to be as cut as that guy naturally you would have to have amazing genetics"




I have seen many guys that cut that are at natural competitions. Having said that the OP will NEVER look like that guy,and that guy will never look like him. You will look like YOUshredded down to 2% bodyfat and nobody else. you may be veiny ,you may not be, but you can get as lean as that guy in the 3rd pic i promise!

[Swifto]

Ha - half these vets come on once a week. That's worse IMO than where a person gives advice. Never once have I heard Dedic8ed claim to be natty - only elaborate how important a proper diet and training program is.

Mere months ago - vets were smart. Now that a lot of the great ones have left - we're stuck with these fools. Yes you will say "Fool? I've been doing this longer than you and blah, blah." ... Well maybe you vets need to take a break - your causing fights for no reason.

Ever since Fireguy became a Vet him and BG became butt buddies, they gang up on just about everything they can see - retarded.

You are what brought AR down and you need a break - but since that'll never happen, we all know your too proud - just ban me.

You all idiots for starting this fight.

No, we dont sign on "once per week". I'm on here, like many other Vets, once, maybe twice daily.

"You are what brought AR down and you need a break - but since that'll never happen, we all know your too proud - just ban me."

"Brought AR down"? Who are you too say the staff members are bringing "AR down"? With a join date of Jul 2009, your nothing but a new kid on the block.. Well, not on the block yet.

All I see here (from you) is some crusade against the Vets. If your not happy here? No one is stopping you from never signing in again...If Vets are "fools" and your not happy with the advice we give and think we, "sign in once per week", you know where the door is.

[Juturna]

Swifto - this wasn't directed towards you at all - and it isn't directed towards all the rest of the vets either, just the ones who posted above, starting the fight.

It's to the ones who came into this thread, ignored the OP's questions and comments completely, and began to all pick at a person, starting a fight.

Swifto - ask most of the people here - I'm far from confrontational and if you read through my posts you will see how many conflicts I've avoided, how many times I've backed up the vets and how 99% of my posts are constructive and aimed to helping others and learning whatever is new to me.

This was the various few above and my piece is over, I don't want this ongoing. I'm tired of them starting things and making everyone else out to be the 'bad guys'... They too aren't 'all knowing'.