Who believes in evolution?

[Flagg]

Do you really want an answer for this? It seems like you are more interested in proving a point than honestly reason/find an answer to your questions rather..

Look, I won't get in the "Science vs. Religion" bandwagon debate because it won't serve anyone of us of no good.. I am an science bound guy.. I am an Engineer.. And I had to go through physics, math, and chemistry and I have to agree with others here on the complexity, beauty, and intelligence that is the resemblance of someone who obviously is GREATER than all the minds that have lived through history or are alive in these days, put together..

Even on my field, we look up to nature to better our current designs or plain simply imitate the intelligent design found in nature.. And no, this is not about promoting creationism either!

But if you really want to find an answer to your questions...

Just do a search on WWI and Religion and WWII and Nazi's concentration camps... And no, this is not about/has nothing to do with the Jews that unjustly died and were persecuted at the hands of Nazi Hitler!

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

[MuscleScience]

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

Atheism is just as dangerous. Stalin practically destroyed all Russian religious monuments. Stalin put people in concentration camps, Stalin deported and uprooted ethinic minorities by the millions to Siberia, Stalin may have killed as many people as Hitler according to some historians. Mao in China, again Like Stalin Purged religion from society. Mao killed un-told amounts of people in his madness.

The point is that religion itself isnt evil or dangerous. It is the people who have hatred in their hearts that are dangerous.

["Maximus"]

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

[Flagg]

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

Yeah, I don't mean to come off as patronising or rude, Godwins Law is a principle that suggests that any debate, one based on something as simple as "what do you prefer: Coke or Pepsi" will eventually lead to WW II Nazism.

Well naturally Kevlar is produced using certain elements and chemistry. I think what baffles everyone, and religious and non religious people will surely all agree, is no one knows, or will ever know, what came first. Its the ultimate Chicken and the Egg question. I can say the Universe has always existed, but I would be countered by "well something must have created it, so surely it was God"...I could argue then "Where did God come from before the Universe, what was there before the Universe and how did he come into being?", it's just a vicious circle.

Some things are probably just never going to be known or answered.

[BJJ]

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

Remember you wote that.