Israel or Palestine?

[eliteforce]

It's much more like kukluxklan tactics on steroids then it is american treatment of germans, americans didn't occupy germany and then go around burning their firelds and trashing their houses for the next 30 years

your comparing the jewish settler violence against palestinians to american occupation of germany post wwii

"you need to challenge me on the issues of the foundation. so far you have not and will not."

it doesn't matter exactly when it was called Palestine-that was only 2000 years ago, the 5 million Palestinians there call it Palestine and that is their nationality-thats all that matters, and it was called Palestine for the next 2000 up until 1948 years..look at any map or newspaper from before 1948 and it refers to the levant as Palestine, thats the foundation, if the Palestinians wnat to call themselves Cannans, then theres the issue of the Canaans..the israelis are israelis because they call themselves israeli, the 2 nationalities are there, there isn't any "foundation" issue.

also it was the Byzantines and Crusaders that expelled Jews and Muslims from Palestine (and the crusaders murdered many people in a series of massacres against every man woman and child in a given area that they were attacking-including the total extermination of Jerusalem when the conquered it-every muslim and jewish person was killed) and those who were expelled took refuge in Arab territory until the Arabs conquered and reconquered Palestine, in both cases Jews were given permission to return as soon as palestine was liberated, some decided to stay where they were because it took like 100 years to conquer and reconquer, thats why you had syrian and iraqi jews etc. it wasn't the Arabs that thru them out, and Arabs and middle eastern jews never had serious problems with each other until the zionists arrived
There were already Palestinian Jews there when the zionists started to arrive from europe.. so why should Arabs pay the price when they were the ones giving jews refuge during western crusader genocide attacks?

you can post all the links you want of articles on mistreatment. unfortunately people do those kinds of things regardless of what side of the debate they are on. there are americans who have committed war crimes against the germans in ww2. does that mean we shouldnt have been involved? not that the information in the article you provided was a war crime but you get what im saying...maybe. it does not change the fact that israel has the right to exist as it has in the past. the land claim is legit. palestine is a variation of a roman word used by the romans when they denied the jews their home. suddenly there was a thing called palestinians, and yes i know the jews and arabs were fighting before this event took place. you need to challenge me on the issues of the foundation. so far you have not and will not. your knowledge on the subject matter is mediocre at best.