Which AI is safe for 12 weeks, minimal side-effects?

[Duma23]

that cycle is a mess why use some random dosages and ud be better of listening to marcus

[KimboHalfSlice]

that cycle is a mess why use some random dosages and ud be better of listening to marcus

That's funny... the cycle I proposed is almost identical to another guy's cycle which was deemed to be excellent by a lot of people here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4906182

The dosages I chose aren't random. The 467mg for Deca is equal to 200mg every 3 days. The 583 for Test is equal to 250mg every 3 days.

Any constructive advice to give?

[marcus300]

That's funny... the cycle I proposed is almost identical to another guy's cycle which was deemed to be excellent by a lot of people here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4906182

The dosages I chose aren't random. The 467mg for Deca is equal to 200mg every 3 days. The 583 for Test is equal to 250mg every 3 days.

Any constructive advice to give?

Who is going to give you advice when you have been training 12 months, your diet is rubbish, your to young and all your waiting for is some 20yrs kid to advice you what you want to hear.

Stop being stupid, slow down and train naturally and use your natural test and build a base to work from, go down to the diet section for a couple of yrs.

I am trying to help you

[marcus300]

I know I am wasting my time and effect with someone like you, but the more you start threads and dont listen the more i will come in every one of them and post why you shouldnt cycle.

I am sick of young kids who dont listen and start thread after thread looking for what they want to hear.

Sort yourself out and stop being stupid,

[keith royd]

I know I am wasting my time and effect with someone like you, but the more you start threads and dont listen the more i will come in every one of them and post why you shouldnt cycle.

I am sick of young kids who dont listen and start thread after thread looking for what they want to hear.

Sort yourself out and stop being stupid,

Aint that the truth !!!

[vatochingon]

that cycle is a mess why use some random dosages and ud be better of listening to marcus

oh yes everyone is better off listening to marcus ha! how old were you did your first cycle marcus?

[forza nuova]

oh yes everyone is better off listening to marcus ha! how old were you did your first cycle marcus?

[vatochingon]

im obviously joking since he posts on like 80% of threads here he obviously knows his shit

but i would like to know if he praticed what he preached back then and if not what adverse effect he has now, if any -- i think that would be alot better then just saying '' your to young to cycle'' and of course the ''go to the diet section'' speech--- real world experience is alot better then just telling people what to do imo -- ya kno?

[KimboHalfSlice]

I make my decisions by educating myself about the facts, and then weighing the advantages and disadvantages. You can disagree with me all you like, but you can't say that I didn't read up on everything and make an informed decision.

Let me give a hypothetical situation: Let's pretend for a moment that injecting any amount of Testosterone at all causes immediate and complete destruction of the HPTA so that you'll never ever produce Testosterone naturally ever again. Imagine that your HPTA gets destroyed even after taking one measeley little shot of Test E in the butt. Even if this were to be true, I would sit down and weigh the advantages and disadvantages. Something like:

On the juice: Very muscular, but have to inject Testosterone every week for the rest of my life
Not on the juice: Slightly muscular, but don't need the Testosterone injections

There's some things in my body that I don't f*** around with, for example I never f*** with my immune system because the last thing I want is an auto-immune disease. I'll f*** with my cardiovascular system for a little while, but not for too long. I did Thai Boxing for 5 years and for those 5 years I doubt there was a single time that I didn't have a bruise on one of my shins, so I don't mind damaging soft tissues.

While I of course enjoy having a fully-functional HPTA, it would not be the end of the world if it was taken away from me. I actually like injecting myself, I find it exciting, I leave all the stuff out the night before and then do the injection in the morning and I feel great about it. Sure that might get really really really really boring after 50 years of TRT but hey it's still not as bad as being diabetic and needing to shoot insulin every day.

If I thought that a cycle of Testosterone and Nandrolone would leave me at a risk of having a stroke, I wouldn't go near it. I've read up on all the bad things that can happen, on all the side-effects, and I've deemed them to be ACCEPTABLE.

You're telling a 22-year-old who has already done a steroid cycle not to do another one for a few years. I don't know what age your are Marcus, but this situation can be compared to telling a 6-year-old boy that he needs to keep the stabilisers on his bike until he's 10. I'd rather take the risk of scraping my knees (and it's a very small risk in my situation).

but i would like to know if he praticed what he preached back then and if not what adverse effect he has now, if any -- i think that would be alot better then just saying '' your to young to cycle'' and of course the ''go to the diet section'' speech--- real world experience is alot better then just telling people what to do imo -- ya kno?

Even if Marcus did a cycle when he was 16 years old, I still wouldn't call him a hypocrite or discredit the advice he's giving. People make mistakens in life, learn from them, and advise others not to make the same mistakes. So even if someone did a cycle when they were 16, that doesn't mean that now later in life they don't realise how bad an idea it was back then.

[vatochingon]

thats not really the point i was going for, listen lets take marcus completly out of the picture ok? ok- i want to talk to someone who cycled while they were to young ( well to young according to most people on here) and depending on current age what adverse effects it caused if any -thats the point i was trying to make

[KimboHalfSlice]

thats not really the point i was going for, listen lets take marcus completly out of the picture ok? ok- i want to talk to someone who cycled while they were to young ( well to young according to most people on here) and depending on current age what adverse effects it caused if any -thats the point i was trying to make

There's gonna be a few people who f***ed up their HPTA.

But see there's two things to consider:
1) Statistics show that 99% of men regain normal natural Testosterone levels within 6 months
2) I'll be taking hCG during my next cycle

I really don't see what I should be scared of here. I'm more than willing to take a 1% chance, I mean I ride a motorbike after all. I'm not a "high risk taker" by any stretch of the imagination, I'm not into XtremeSports or anything, but I'll take small risks.

[vatochingon]

There's gonna be a few people who f***ed up their HPTA.

But see there's two things to consider:
1) Statistics show that 99% of men regain normal natural Testosterone levels within 6 months
2) I'll be taking hCG during my next cycle

I really don't see what I should be scared of here. I'm more than willing to take a 1% chance, I mean ride a motorbike after all.

you'll be fine!!! im not even worried about running a steroid without test

also your right about the test levels coming back to normal and with a good pct it will get back to normal even faster

[vatochingon]

whith that being said i asked everyone to share shuch info sadly i only got one response, it was a guy who ran a deca only cycle when he was 23 and guess what!!!! at the age of 28 nothings wrong no adverse effects at all which contradicts everything ever said on here

[marcus300]

im obviously joking since he posts on like 80% of threads here he obviously knows his shit

but i would like to know if he praticed what he preached back then and if not what adverse effect he has now, if any -- i think that would be alot better then just saying '' your to young to cycle'' and of course the ''go to the diet section'' speech--- real world experience is alot better then just telling people what to do imo -- ya kno?

This is what these forums are all about, taking peoples experiences who have been there and done it, now its not a case of if I practised what i preach, its what ive seen and learnt over the yrs so I can pass it on, you have to remember I am not the only one who preaches to younger guys dont do it, its all over the internet by very well rrespected guys., many pro's infact shout this staement out all the time, Dorian in his interview at MD warned young BB's using AAS before things are ready.

To answer your question, i started training when I was around 19yrs old, remember I am 42yrs old now, I started taking gear when i was around 23-24 mark, back in them days there was more problems than starting young, i didnt do pct for yrs and in was deca and dbol cycles what were famous!

And the study Almond quotes from about the recovery of the HPTA with a good pct is done on people who have a fully developed HPTA and not on one that isnt fully functional.

thats not really the point i was going for, listen lets take marcus completly out of the picture ok? ok- i want to talk to someone who cycled while they were to young ( well to young according to most people on here) and depending on current age what adverse effects it caused if any -thats the point i was trying to make

Ive worked with many BBers over the yrs and ive seen first hand what starting to young can do to people, all you got to do is check out the forums and you will see it plain and simple. Ive got a few personal friends who started at a young age and are now on HRT in their 20's, ive seen friends and online friends become very depressed from having low test and the sides what it brings on,trust me the demons you have to cope with are scary!! its a big concern but its doesnt happen in all cases, i know a few guys who have never had a problem and who have fathered children without any difficulties after starting to young and being on and off for 10yrs+, but the majority it does effect in some way the forums show that and from older BB's personal experience.We say it for a reason!!

whith that being said i asked everyone to share shuch info sadly i only got one response, it was a guy who ran a deca only cycle when he was 23 and guess what!!!! at the age of 28 nothings wrong no adverse effects at all which contradicts everything ever said on here

There are always exceptions to the rule, not everyone is the same so your going to hear from guys who have cycled when they were 18yrs and had no adverse effects, but the % is high what it does effect and the risk is there!! dont be blind.

Let me try and explain alittle better why Ive targetted Almond rather than all the other newbies on here trying to cycle at a young age, if it was just about his age I would tell him the risks and conerns and leave him to it, if he was daft enough to not to listen I would just leave the thread, but Almond is different in many ways, its not just one thing wrong with him like his age oh no, he as 3 things not going for him and in bodybuilding you need everything to be in balance to grow muscle, example

1st,,
His diet is rubbish, he doesnt eat like a bodybuilder, he as no idea what foods to eat to build tissue and he isnt going to do any good with a diet like that in maintaining anything, he will be living off the AAS. Diet is key in this game and his doesnt have anything like a good diet and you cant suddenly change it into a good one, it takes time to see what works and how you respond. check his threads out were he posted his diet.

2nd,
He as been training for 12 months, this is no base to work off, I can tell by his diet his training wont be good enough, he needs to build a foundation, strengthen his ligaments,tendons, connective tissue and joints before even considering taking AAS, these takes time and not 8 months worth of training with a sh1t diet and starting your first cycle. If this is done maintenance is far better building tissue becomes easy, its like your body being like a dried sponge if this is done correctly, 8-12 months worth of training is not the way forward in taking gear.

3rd,
His age, even he said today that he as a high test level for his age and would like it to be lower!! come on that is plain stupid and reckless behaviour! why shut it down if its high, USE WHAT YOU HAVE! why risk your hpta not ever getting to full function?

You see its not just his age,its a few things what is wrong with this guy! its many things what build muscle tissue, he as no idea what he is doing and he should stop and go down to the diet section and there are guys down there who will transform his body without AAS, he also needs to sort his training out and build a solid base. Check his threads out he already has a shrunken testicle and bloat problems, i am trying to help him.

People should learn from other peoples mistakes, not do the same ones!