Insulin Cycle (For those interested)

[Someguy123]

if i was ever going to do something stupid, like doing insulin, without AAS. i would stick to just shooting it post workout. thats when youll be able to make the most use of those extra calories, without turning them to fat. as well, i would try and minimize my carbs, and maximize my protein intake. this is where it gets tricky, cause you dont want to go hypo. but if you wanna minimize fat gain, and maximize muscle gain. thats how to do it.

im done with insulin personally. i dont have the patience to watch my diet that close anymore.

[Someguy123]

How does make you insulin shot hungry?

sounds like you need to read a basic profile on insulin. insulin is what allows your body, to use your blood sugar. so when you shoot insulin, your blood sugar drops, which triggers hunger. its your bodies natural defense against dieing of low blood sugar. if you didnt get hungry, youd never know when to eat, unless you carried a glucose meter with you.

[Narkissos]

No I'm currently shooting in my abdomen, most post i've read didn't tell me to shoot directly in muscle, all of them told me to refrain from doing so because it circulates quicker in you're system

That's the point mate.

Don't get confused.

We're talking IM, not intravenous.

Sub-C is suitable for GH, not the PWO application of insulin.

[marcus300]

OMFG I give up

[Someguy123]

That's the point mate.

Don't get confused.

We're talking IM, not intravenous.

Sub-C is suitable for GH, not the PWO application of insulin.

you got a link to some information on this?? im interested.

[maxtrin]

sounds like you need to read a basic profile on insulin. insulin is what allows your body, to use your blood sugar. so when you shoot insulin, your blood sugar drops, which triggers hunger. its your bodies natural defense against dieing of low blood sugar. if you didnt get hungry, youd never know when to eat, unless you carried a glucose meter with you.

thank you, yeaa I dont know much about insulin you are right ...

So when you inject high dose of exougenus insulin you must be hungry as elefant am I right? becouse on this depend your life

[Someguy123]

thank you, yeaa I dont know much about insulin you are right ...

So when you inject high dose of exougenus insulin you must be hungry as elefant am I right? becouse on this depend your life

if i eat a full meal after the gym, when i shoot my insulin. i can eat another full meal within 30min-1hour. you just feel completely starving, once your body has used up so much blood sugar.

[maxtrin]

So you can eat 2000 Kcal in one hour? :O after shooting humalog :-) thats interesting

[elfin1mf]

Well let us know how much you are gaining on how many calories each week please. Using my method I am noticeably gaining fat,l but I am also noticably gaining muscle, so I do not think that I am gaining more fat than usual. I have never gained muscle at a rate which I can see the difference each week, and now it appears to be happening because of my diet change so do not knock it until you try it. On a side note, many creatine supplements recommend 200g sugar with every serving. I believe the spike in insulin contributes to most if not all of the results.

[Kratos]

insulin is a stupid alternative to steroids, unless you really know what you're doing
you'd gain more muscle and less fat by eating china buffet 3x per day

[gsxracer]

I've never been higher then 15% bf, ever in my life but I'm currently sticking 4.2-5.5k calories per day, and using weight gainer post-workout currently, but im also doing alot of cardio/sports.

and for the post of insulin making you hungry? it dosen't really make you hungry if you keep a constant level of sugar in you, but if you drop below 3.0.
it'll feel like you're body is craving for food, stop eating for 2 days and take only proteins drinks, and let me know how you're body feel.

you'll start having dizziness, you're body will be tingling and you'll be feeling somewhat drunk, and you'll start sweating and having a headache, by taking a meal post-work out + a shake, you don't get this, and neither do I wanna get this because at this point it means my system is taking all the glucose in my brain to feed my body which can more then likely eventually cause some unreperable damages to me.

[gsxracer]

kinda funny after eating a meal, 5 min after you're blood sugar level skylevels to 7.4, and this was without and sugar just carbs/protein.

won't be taking a shot today, didn't go training my legs just did a little cardio this morning, not really trying to gain any muscle/weight in legs currently, so will be taking next shot tomorow.

I would also like to know Narkissos, if shooting in my muscle is better and why, because like I posted earlier if I shoot into my muscle it just rushes the process of the insulin, and when I read about insulin, it says that it just direct nutrients in my muscle, and having trained the muscle the muscle by itself / wants or tells the brain to send more nutrients to that muscle without you injecting it.

[PistolStarta]

High levels of insulin cause health problems
High levels of insulin cause several problems: one of them is high blood pressure. One of the roles of insulin is to assist the storing of excess nutrients. Insulin plays a role in storing magnesium. But if your cells become resistant to insulin, you can't store magnesium so you lose it through urination. Intra-cellular magnesium relaxes muscles. What happens when you can't store magnesium because the cell is resistant? You lose magnesium and your blood vessels constrict. This causes an increase in blood pressure.
insulin and blood pressure

Insulin also causes the retention of sodium, which causes fluid retention, which causes high blood pressure and congestive heart failure.

A recent study(1) showed that overweight children with high levels of insulin in their blood are also likely to have high levels of homocysteine, a substance which appears to raise the risk of heart disease, stroke, and birth defects.

Osteoporosis is another potential problem resulting from insulin resistance. Insulin is a master hormone which controls many anabolic hormones such as growth hormone, testosterone, and progesterone. In insulin resistance, the anabolic process is reduced. Bone is built upon the command of such hormones. When these hormones are reduced, the amount of bone building is reduced, and the amount of calcium excreted is increased.

Insulin increases cellular proliferation. How does this affect cancer? It helps it grow. And there are some pretty strong studies(2,3) which show that one of the strongest correlations to breast and colon cancers are levels of insulin.

taken from http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxifi...et/insulin.htm

there's information on resistance as well. Good call on the cancer miracle gro

[maxtrin]

High levels of insulin cause health problems
High levels of insulin cause several problems: one of them is high blood pressure. One of the roles of insulin is to assist the storing of excess nutrients. Insulin plays a role in storing magnesium. But if your cells become resistant to insulin, you can't store magnesium so you lose it through urination. Intra-cellular magnesium relaxes muscles. What happens when you can't store magnesium because the cell is resistant? You lose magnesium and your blood vessels constrict. This causes an increase in blood pressure.
insulin and blood pressure

Insulin also causes the retention of sodium, which causes fluid retention, which causes high blood pressure and congestive heart failure.

A recent study(1) showed that overweight children with high levels of insulin in their blood are also likely to have high levels of homocysteine, a substance which appears to raise the risk of heart disease, stroke, and birth defects.

Osteoporosis is another potential problem resulting from insulin resistance. Insulin is a master hormone which controls many anabolic hormones such as growth hormone, testosterone, and progesterone. In insulin resistance, the anabolic process is reduced. Bone is built upon the command of such hormones. When these hormones are reduced, the amount of bone building is reduced, and the amount of calcium excreted is increased.

Insulin increases cellular proliferation. How does this affect cancer? It helps it grow. And there are some pretty strong studies(2,3) which show that one of the strongest correlations to breast and colon cancers are levels of insulin.

taken from http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxifi...et/insulin.htm

there's information on resistance as well. Good call on the cancer miracle gro

and what about become diabetes? is this possible ? and how long you have to use insulin for this ?

[gymnerd]

and also I'm not here for pitty, I'm basicly here to help new bodybuilders or veterans who might be wanting to go on insulin but don't wanna be the guinea pig on testing it out because they don't wanna destroy there lives.
so basicly all you're advice is not directly going to me but to other members, and "stating this drug will kill you stop it now" is not really very helpful information

when you were young and you're mom told you not to speed or not to do drugs? did you listend to her... no.

a Smart persone woulda done research on what would be the side effects of doing the things, and others just experienced it and see what it did.

Well basicly the vets here have prob all used slin at one time or another and probably did it the right way and beginers have no buisness near slin at all.

[Narkissos]

High levels of insulin cause health problems
High levels of insulin cause several problems: one of them is high blood pressure. One of the roles of insulin is to assist the storing of excess nutrients. Insulin plays a role in storing magnesium. But if your cells become resistant to insulin, you can't store magnesium so you lose it through urination. Intra-cellular magnesium relaxes muscles. What happens when you can't store magnesium because the cell is resistant? You lose magnesium and your blood vessels constrict. This causes an increase in blood pressure.
insulin and blood pressure

Insulin also causes the retention of sodium, which causes fluid retention, which causes high blood pressure and congestive heart failure.

A recent study(1) showed that overweight children with high levels of insulin in their blood are also likely to have high levels of homocysteine, a substance which appears to raise the risk of heart disease, stroke, and birth defects.

Osteoporosis is another potential problem resulting from insulin resistance. Insulin is a master hormone which controls many anabolic hormones such as growth hormone, testosterone, and progesterone. In insulin resistance, the anabolic process is reduced. Bone is built upon the command of such hormones. When these hormones are reduced, the amount of bone building is reduced, and the amount of calcium excreted is increased.

Insulin increases cellular proliferation. How does this affect cancer? It helps it grow. And there are some pretty strong studies(2,3) which show that one of the strongest correlations to breast and colon cancers are levels of insulin.

taken from http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxifi...et/insulin.htm

there's information on resistance as well. Good call on the cancer miracle gro

That 'article' is not in any way related to this thread. Posting it here is just silly.

It is discussing chronic elevated insulin. Not the PWO application of insulin.

Comparing the two is like calling apple pie a fruit.

[Narkissos]

and what about become diabetes? is this possible ? and how long you have to use insulin for this ?

Seriously dude?

[DR T]

Wow!!!!
With such a touchy subject as insulin use for bodybuilding, one should really have a great understanding of human physiology/endocrinology before even thinking about messing with this, as you will not find any doctor in their right mind overseeing a dangerous cycle such as the op is performing.

MAJOR issues associated with insulin use: whether taking insulin exogenously (more severe complications) vs triggering huge insulin spikes from huge bursts in blood sugar due to diet, one becomes more and more insulin resistant... Meaning the 40 quadrillion cells in the body stop responding to insulin as they should- as if insulin is shouting and the tissues in the body can't hear... The insulin needs to shout louder and louder to get the tissues to listen and the cells become more and more deaf(resistant).
Type II diabetes is exactly that... Your body produces plenty of insulin but the tissues have become desensitized to the hormone. The blood sugar continues to raise, hyperglycemia ensues... And given enough time without proper diet and consistant cardio exercise, the pancreas gets sick of putting out so much insulin, and it shuts down: type I diabetes (in this case, caused by type II).
So now add some insulin into the mix when everything is doing Fine...
You can essentially create a type II diabetic situation...
You say you are 6' and under 200 lbs... If you wanna gain mass, eat, without insulin, workout... As u naturally gain, then look into adding some anabolic steroids...
You have some work to do before going the steroid route, and the insulin gameplan is super dangerous, it doesn't have nearly the track record of steroids nor the 30 plus yrs of knowledge we have now about how to do steroids successfully, with minimal sides, without destroying your natural production...
Be careful man, very dangerous!!!

-DR T

[PistolStarta]

Good post Doc

[diesel405]

I think insulin is a very important hormone for building muscle. This is not just my opinion but a fact. I also think that most healthy bodybuilders should be able to use insulin to its maximum ability without injecting themselves with it. Instead they could eat the majority of their carbs (all high glycemic) in 1 or 2 meals meals a day taken in as fast as they possibly can and supplemented soon afterwards with about 100 g of pure protein or breast meat. They could also drink a couple glasses of water after their meal. The reasons I think this is a much better method are countless, but the most important reason is that your body will become insulin resistant way too quickly if you keep poking yourself with it. If you eat your carbs all in one meal eaten as quick as possible you not only produce the most insulin possible rhythmically (as the body would naturally instead of all at once) But you also allow for an entire day to gain back your sensitivity to the slin. If you are on a bulking cycle with AAS which allows you to work out wayyy more and still build muscle, you might want to have at least 3 carb/protein meals a day. I still think it would be beneficial to eat those meals in the style I stated above to maximize insulin production.

Does the speed you eat the meal really matter? ABSOLUTELY. Try eating the meal half as fast as you can and noting the mental effects of the insulin. Then try eating it as fast as possible and note the incredible difference. I have nearly passed out from eating a box and a half of oreos and 75 - 100grams whey isolate in 10 minutes with a glass or 2 of water.

Applying this method of eating, I have been able to take in the same amount of calories as usual and gain weight AT LEAST 5 - 10 times faster than normal. I cannot believe my eyes when I look at the scale. So do not try to tell me that you cannot get your body to naturally produce enough insulin to gain the maximum amount of weight for optimal results.

This is untrue. By reading this post tells me u have no idea how slin works.

[diesel405]

Stats
23 Years old
6'0 feet
183 pounds 13.7% bf
Goal - Bulking
blood sugar level 5.6

3 weeks on/off on insulin is the cycle for 15 weeks. at a 10 UU post-workout/ morning.

Haven't had any help on cycling insulin so I might as well do it and help out all the younguer generation, to maybe have a alternative for AAS use.

will be posting updates every day,


Today was my first shot done, at 5 UU post-workout, bit shaky because it was my first time stabbing myself, and it was less worst then pricking my finger to check my blood sugar level.

post-workout I took a 400 calorie weight gainer, 39g protein / 65g of carbs
this will be my every day post-workout drink might up the intake if I feel that I get hypo.

Also have a chocolate bar + a powerade beside me at all times.

I checked my blood sugar level pre-workout and it was 6.1, also after workout and still 6.1, will re-check at 1 hour mark after my injection.

will check my blood sugar level pre-shots, in the morning and pre-workout at 12:01pm, to check to see if my blood level is fluctuating and if it is being messed up I will stop injecting insulin.

Wish me luck!

You have mega balls posting 10iu of slin for starters. You have no business taking that much. This is a case of more is not better. All your trying to do is push nutrients into your muscle post workout. It dosen't take 10 ius to do that. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT!! The wrong guy sees this post and figures f it ill try it could possibly end up dead. Slin is the most anabolic substance u can put in your body. When taken right, it can build mega mass, taken wrong WILL kill you. Now i no u dont give a f**k what i say, so im not gunna tell u to stop(all thou you should stop) but do yourself a favor and get u some waxymase and put it in your postworkout shake. It will save your life. Eat your meal 1.5 hrs after injection. Just my 2 cents

[audis4]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahahah

holy shit..........

[audis4]

wow, insulin is def not for the newb....

I am personally nervous of the of the stuff and will most likely never take it

[gsxracer]

You have mega balls posting 10iu of slin for starters. You have no business taking that much. This is a case of more is not better. All your trying to do is push nutrients into your muscle post workout. It dosen't take 10 ius to do that. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT!! The wrong guy sees this post and figures f it ill try it could possibly end up dead. Slin is the most anabolic substance u can put in your body. When taken right, it can build mega mass, taken wrong WILL kill you. Now i no u dont give a f**k what i say, so im not gunna tell u to stop(all thou you should stop) but do yourself a favor and get u some waxymase and put it in your postworkout shake. It will save your life. Eat your meal 1.5 hrs after injection. Just my 2 cents

thanks for the advice, ill go get some waxy maize today, and also I do appologise for putting up to 10 IU,

I did say I'm gradly going up to 10 IU and not directly starting from there, and currently I'm at 5 IU and moving up to 6 IU today seeing how it goes.

I'm just trying to get the dose correctly and see if I get decent gains if not I'm going on a cycle of AAS,

[gsxracer]

morning, 9am worked out chest

80lbs dumbells bench 8 reps 3 sets
65lbs incline dumbells 8 reps 3 sets
15lbs flys 12 reps 4 sets

also did abs

took 6 IU insulin, took weight gainers, got back home my blood sugar is at 6.2 after 1 hour, taking a high protein/carb meal,

[diesel405]

Im so slin sensitive i cant get passed 3 iu's or i turn pale. I went hypo once and it scared the shit outta me. Ever since i did the waxymase i havent had a problem. But i still dont push it.

[gsxracer]

I'll try not to, checking my blood sugar level every hour interval to make sure i stay above 4.5

[gsxracer]

currently at 5.1 blood, it's probably at its peak atm, for another hour.

[gsxracer]

rechecked it, and its going back up 5.4, so I should be able to go another IU to 7 and that should be my limit. as long as it keeps in range with the meals I'm eating I will keep injecting same amount every time.

[rodge]

Comparing the two is like calling apple pie a fruit.

apple pie is fruit... you hear me i don't wanna hear otherwise

-rodge

[Markosterone]

I used my girlfriend´s insulin once, gave me no gains at all... shot 8 units max, insulin aspart.

stick to roids..

make sure you got some sugar on you at all times, in case you start feeling dizy.. shit can go bad really fast on insulin.
also, never go to sleep while insulin still active.

[Critical Mass]

I would get fat on insulin.

[gsxracer]

5.7 blood, after 13 hours of sleep,

didn't feel a 100% but that must of been lack of sleep previous night, weight this morning is 177-178 before ingesting anything.

[gsxracer]

blood 6.2, 1 hour post-workout
did biceps today
50lbs straight bar curls 8 reps 3 sets
35lbs preacher bench 8 reps 3 sets
hammers curls 12 reps 4 sets

184lbs on me /

7IU insulin injection.

[BJJ]

blood 6.2, 1 hour post-workout
did biceps today
50lbs straight bar curls 8 reps 3 sets
35lbs preacher bench 8 reps 3 sets
hammers curls 12 reps 4 sets

184lbs on me /

7IU insulin injection.

you meant kg?

[Someguy123]

you meant kg?

i would say no. since the rest of his weights are very weak too. why would you assume he would be able to straight bar curl 110lbs??

[DR T]

blood 6.2, 1 hour post-workout
did biceps today
50lbs straight bar curls 8 reps 3 sets
35lbs preacher bench 8 reps 3 sets
hammers curls 12 reps 4 sets

184lbs on me /

7IU insulin injection.

from the looks of your workout intensity, again, injecting insulin is the LAST thing you need to be addressing in order to get in peak shape...

first off, that is the weakest bicep workout i've seen, do you spend 12 minutes in the gym and then hit the showers????

not that you need tons of sets for a small bodypart such as biceps, but the weights you are using are extremely low, if this is a challenging workout for you, you really need to build up your strength with good old fashion hard work, and give it some time!!! build a great base before you use any excessive supplementation (anabolics.... or if you are a 10 yr veteran competitive bodybuilder, something as risky as insulin, AFTER you have done several successful cycles of anabolics, packed on tons of quality hard earned muscle, and then you need some final "tweaking" because your physique is so near perfect!!!

not trying to be a jerk, but you are doing this in the complete bass-ackwards order!!!!!!!!!!!

be careful

[Kratos]

blood 6.2, 1 hour post-workout
did biceps today
50lbs straight bar curls 8 reps 3 sets
35lbs preacher bench 8 reps 3 sets
hammers curls 12 reps 4 sets

184lbs on me /

7IU insulin injection.

what a workout, did that take you 15 whole minutes?
wow you are weak, so you've gained a whole pound, stop the presses

[BJJ]

i would say no. since the rest of his weights are very weak too. why would you assume he would be able to straight bar curl 110lbs??

You are right, fixed it.

[thenextcutler]

Also my daily intake in calories is 4.2k, 350g protein , rest in carbs/fat.

Also I am working on perfect form when performing my exercises so I've been droping weight because I'm working on my negative side of exercises quite alot.


Today was shoulders,
Military press 50pounds 3 sets 8 rep
arnold press 20 pounds 2 sets 8 rep
side raises 12 pounds 2 sets of 8 rep
front raises 12 pounds 2 sets of 8 rep

I don't care how slow the lifts are, I would never even get a decent warm up with those weights... Why risk any form of extreme supplement like AAS or slin? To take you to your next level? Maybe after slin you can put weight on the bars? Really man, SLIN CAN KILL YOU, post some pictures if I'm wrong but you risking death and you don't even have a base