Fedor VS Roger

[roid_rage]

I forget who you are honestly bro, but I called the Shogun Machita fight wrong, which is fine and I'm a shogun fan. But Shogun did build his name in pride and he looked AWFUL in the UFC until he came around a little in the Liddel fight.

AA has been exposed since Timmy knocked him out twice. It's known AA has good hands and a glass jaw. He beat Roy Nelson and Ben Rothwell after loosing to Timmy twice and suddenly he was a top 4 HW in the world? For what? Then Fedor embrasses him, Rogers embarasses him more. How is beating AA in todays MMA world make you a ranked fighter? Why would AA be a ranked fighter? AA had his day, so did Ken Shamrock bro, AA is not a world class HW anymore.

That's the problem with the HW class, Tito use to be the most dominate LHW ever, but beating him, does not shoot you to the number 2 LHW in the world. Yet some how, beat a guy who had the HW UFC belt in 2005, and you are the top level fighter that Fedor has to beat.

Bret Rogers was selling tires at Sam's Club, turned pro about a year ago, he's a big guy that can knock out AA and suddenly Fedor beats him unimpressivly and his legacy is secured even though he's never fought Randy, Brock or any of the top HW that CC had to fight in the UFC?


The thing you don't understand is the sport evolves very fast, it has since Gracie was dominate and it has changed since Chute Box ruled pride.

A. Silva and Matchita both fought in pride, but there careers and talent was only showcased in the UFC. Short of Shoguns recent rejuvination, your top level Pride fighters, shogun, came in loss to forrest, Wandy is 1 for 7, CC can't beat anyone anymore, Fedor is the only top level fighter developed in pride that has not had the opportunity to fight the top talent in his class. I'm not a dana nut hugger, but the UFC is king of MMA and regaurdless of anyone's opinion of the organization, it's known the top fighters are there.

And Cain beat Rothwell and Congo, isn't that just as good as beating Roy Nelson and Rothwell? That made AA the number 2 HW in the world even coming off 2 embarrassing losses to tim, and one to Randy.

Cain is more impressive than Rogers and that is not even the point, but if Fedor beat Cain, it's not securing shit either, it's beating a green fighter that has potentional.

Fedor beat the guy that put tires on my BMW last year, so what? Why are you so impressed.

AA did not only beat Rothwell and Nelson, you are forgeting he beat Cruz (before the AA fight), O'brain and Werdum (who spanked GG ass TWICE)... so he was in a 5 winning streak to solid competition, that's why he was nº 2.

And yeah, beating Kongo and Rothwell is just as good as Beating Nelson and Rothwell, but the differece is that you have to add 3 more worthy fighters in cains list so he could equal AAs record, wich cain does not have, but since you mention, cain is at least top 6 at every single ranking, and is probably going to fight for the Nº1 after the lesnar vs Carwin fight.

About Fedor beating Cain, thats the problem, who is Fedor going to ahve to beat so the hate can stop??? If he beats Cain, yeah, cain's too green, if he beats lesnar...well if Cain is too green, Brock is even more, Carwin??? yeah, 10 cans and GG... See... there is no one relevant for him to beat, and pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease dont say couture, Nog put a beating on him, and this nog is far away from his prime days...

By the way, do you know that Carwin wasnt training full time either more than a year ago? He was a part time fighter, just like Rogers.

Machida never fought in PRIDE, and AS made his name in the UFC, yeah, he couldnt hack in PRIDE, but went to the UFC and ruled, oh yeah, the UFC had the best fighters hu? Shogun didnto go to an rejuvination, he got his knee fixed and got more experience, also adapted his style to the UFC rules, his talent was always there. Wandy was coming of two brutal KOs from PRIDE, so is not like he was ruling PRIDE at the time either. CC just cant evolve, everyone knows what hes going to do, plus he lost his willing to fight.

The UFC is the biggest ORG, and hold most of the best fighters in the world, that doesnt mean it holds all the best fighters in the world, and certanly does not hold THE best HW in the world and the GOAT.

and also.... PRIDE>UFC. 3 PRIDE fighters came to the UFC and got the belt, No UFC fighter has successfully cross over to PRIDE and got any of the PRIDE belts.

[J-Dogg]

AA did not only beat Rothwell and Nelson, you are forgeting he beat Cruz (before the AA fight), O'brain and Werdum (who spanked GG ass TWICE)... so he was in a 5 winning streak to solid competition, that's why he was nº 2.

And yeah, beating Kongo and Rothwell is just as good as Beating Nelson and Rothwell, but the differece is that you have to add 3 more worthy fighters in cains list so he could equal AAs record, wich cain does not have, but since you mention, cain is at least top 6 at every single ranking, and is probably going to fight for the Nº1 after the lesnar vs Carwin fight.

About Fedor beating Cain, thats the problem, who is Fedor going to ahve to beat so the hate can stop??? If he beats Cain, yeah, cain's too green, if he beats lesnar...well if Cain is too green, Brock is even more, Carwin??? yeah, 10 cans and GG... See... there is no one relevant for him to beat, and pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease dont say couture, Nog put a beating on him, and this nog is far away from his prime days...

By the way, do you know that Carwin wasnt training full time either more than a year ago? He was a part time fighter, just like Rogers.

Machida never fought in PRIDE, and AS made his name in the UFC, yeah, he couldnt hack in PRIDE, but went to the UFC and ruled, oh yeah, the UFC had the best fighters hu? Shogun didnto go to an rejuvination, he got his knee fixed and got more experience, also adapted his style to the UFC rules, his talent was always there. Wandy was coming of two brutal KOs from PRIDE, so is not like he was ruling PRIDE at the time either. CC just cant evolve, everyone knows what hes going to do, plus he lost his willing to fight.

The UFC is the biggest ORG, and hold most of the best fighters in the world, that doesnt mean it holds all the best fighters in the world, and certanly does not hold THE best HW in the world and the GOAT.

and also.... PRIDE>UFC. 3 PRIDE fighters came to the UFC and got the belt, No UFC fighter has successfully cross over to PRIDE and got any of the PRIDE belts.

I love how you and A2theJ simply discredit my opinions because they are different than yours.

Do you guys think I just get opinions from Sherdog and run over here and post them? I'm not some 20 year old kid that just started watching MMA. I've been a MMA fan for a very long time. I watched Pride when no one knew what it was.

You guys don't think I've watched the Fedor/Arona fight? Nice. How about just searching my name on this board, I've posted a thread on it about a year ago and posted the link that Arona was robbed. He controled Fedor on the ground in that fight.

And what's with you thinking I consider Carwin any good? You are right, he's in the same boat as Rogers. Niether one of them should be in the top 10, Werdum deserves it more than they do, or even Overdeem.

Is it really that hard to understand though? Rogers is not a great fighter. Fedor is the number 1 HW, but he is not fighting the number 2, 3, or 4th best HW under him. How can those guys ever prove they are better? And how can he prove he's better than the number 2, 3, 4 guy if he's not fighting them?

In every other class, the number 1 guy, fights the top contender. Machita fights Shogun, Rashad. GSP fights Alves, Anderson fights Hedo and Franklin. Those guys that do that, and win, have proven somthing, buy fighting and beating the number 2 guys, some of them multiple times.

Fedor has not done that. His next fight will probably be againt Werdum, who is a good fighter, but he's not a top 5 fighter either and his striking is lagging a little to compete with Fedor. He's a beast on the ground, but I don't see Fedor getting Subbed by Werdum.

[roid_rage]

I love how you and A2theJ simply discredit my opinions because they are different than yours.

Do you guys think I just get opinions from Sherdog and run over here and post them? I'm not some 20 year old kid that just started watching MMA. I've been a MMA fan for a very long time. I watched Pride when no one knew what it was.

You guys don't think I've watched the Fedor/Arona fight? Nice. How about just searching my name on this board, I've posted a thread on it about a year ago and posted the link that Arona was robbed. He controled Fedor on the ground in that fight.

And what's with you thinking I consider Carwin any good? You are right, he's in the same boat as Rogers. Niether one of them should be in the top 10, Werdum deserves it more than they do, or even Overdeem.

Is it really that hard to understand though? Rogers is not a great fighter. Fedor is the number 1 HW, but he is not fighting the number 2, 3, or 4th best HW under him. How can those guys ever prove they are better? And how can he prove he's better than the number 2, 3, 4 guy if he's not fighting them?

In every other class, the number 1 guy, fights the top contender. Machita fights Shogun, Rashad. GSP fights Alves, Anderson fights Hedo and Franklin. Those guys that do that, and win, have proven somthing, buy fighting and beating the number 2 guys, some of them multiple times.

Fedor has not done that. His next fight will probably be againt Werdum, who is a good fighter, but he's not a top 5 fighter either and his striking is lagging a little to compete with Fedor. He's a beast on the ground, but I don't see Fedor getting Subbed by Werdum.

No I dont discredit your opinion because is different than mine, but because you base on if not UFC it aint good. If Carwin is not legit, what the heck has the UFC to Offer than SF doesnt? I mean, Carwin is fighting the UFC champ if im not wrong??? Cain is legit? or is he too green (you said it yourself) whos left? Mir and Nog? Couture, yeah right... Not to mention you are bringin up shogun now, but you were the first one calling the Machida vs Shogun fight BS, that shogun has done anything to deserve the shot and that shogun pretty much was done.

And by the way, Fedor fought Tim (he was widly consider top 10 at the time), Fedor fought AA, while he was consider by EVERY SINGLE MMA SITE top 3. Fedor was going to fight Barnett, who was consider by every MMA SITE top 3 at the time.

The only single truth is that all the UFC has to offer that Fedor may not find outside the UFC is Brock Lesnar, the rest of the Division is just as good as the HWd outside the UFC.

[goose]

No I dont discredit your opinion because is different than mine, but because you base on if not UFC it aint good. If Carwin is not legit, what the heck has the UFC to Offer than SF doesnt? I mean, Carwin is fighting the UFC champ if im not wrong??? Cain is legit? or is he too green (you said it yourself) whos left? Mir and Nog? Couture, yeah right... Not to mention you are bringin up shogun now, but you were the first one calling the Machida vs Shogun fight BS, that shogun has done anything to deserve the shot and that shogun pretty much was done.

And by the way, Fedor fought Tim (he was widly consider top 10 at the time), Fedor fought AA, while he was consider by EVERY SINGLE MMA SITE top 3. Fedor was going to fight Barnett, who was consider by every MMA SITE top 3 at the time.

The only single truth is that all the UFC has to offer that Fedor may not find outside the UFC is Brock Lesnar, the rest of the Division is just as good as the HWd outside the UFC.

You know your stuff...well said.

[rockinred]

I watched the fights last night and enjoyed everyone of them. Pretty good stuff.

This fight about Fedor will go on forever. Fact is he pulled it off and it wasn't too impressive, but not every fighter destroys everyone every fight. Hopefully he rebounds and carries his legacy as far as he can. I think Brett Rogers isn't getting a lot of credit tho...he is one tough cookie. He is knocking dudes out like no other and he almost beat Fedor last night fair and square. These debates go on forever whether a fighter proves themself or not. You basically make your pics and watch it happen. That's what is fun about all this.

On another note, Mousasi is still rolling but he had a hard victory last night. Let's see how he does. Bigfoot and Werdum was a good one too. I like that fight the most. Their BJJ was phenomenal for being as heavy as they were.