US Healthcare Bill passed

[MuscleScience]

The way I see it the government is going to find another way to tax the hell out of me even if healthcare reform is not passed. So we might as well have healthcare for all if thats the case.

[BgMc31]

The way I see it the government is going to find another way to tax the hell out of me even if healthcare reform is not passed. So we might as well have healthcare for all if thats the case.

OMG, Musclscience, I can't believe you said that...LOL!!!! I agree with you 100%

[TITANIUM]

The way I see it the government is going to find another way to tax the hell out of me even if healthcare reform is not passed. So we might as well have healthcare for all if thats the case.

You got that one right bro!

Cut right to the chase on that.

I'll watch my pay stubs in the following months.

Best

T

[PistolPete33]

It's a $1.2 TRILLION TRILLION TRILLION dollar increase in our taxes??? Where the "F" are we going to come up with this money? They already proved it will make our rates TRIPPLE over the next several years. How is this helping anyone???

[Flagg]

Well this still has to be passed through the Senate before it becomes official, right? And I can see the Republicans stopping this on pure partisanship alone, I mean wasn't there only ONE republican that voted the Bill in?

Personally I don't think Universal Healthcare is the great evil so many pretend it is, I mean its amazing how words like "socialism", "communism" will fill the average American with dread, yet they have no idea what the words mean, much less able to spell them. Universal Healthcare works for the rest of the G8 and Europe is NOT some quasi-soviet association of states, nor is America about to become one.

The only gripe is, Obama is pushing this too soon. You'd thinking sorting out the Economy, the borrowing and the vast somes of money spent on the two pointless wars in the Middle East would be top priority.

[TITANIUM]

Can you say,"CASHARECTOMY"!!!

[MuscleScience]

Well this still has to be passed through the Senate before it becomes official, right? And I can see the Republicans stopping this on pure partisanship alone, I mean wasn't there only ONE republican that voted the Bill in?

Personally I don't think Universal Healthcare is the great evil so many pretend it is, I mean its amazing how words like "socialism", "communism" will fill the average American with dread, yet they have no idea what the words mean, much less able to spell them. Universal Healthcare works for the rest of the G8 and Europe is NOT some quasi-soviet association of states, nor is America about to become one.

The only gripe is, Obama is pushing this too soon. You'd thinking sorting out the Economy, the borrowing and the vast somes of money spent on the two pointless wars in the Middle East would be top priority.

America difference from Europe in the fact that we have 300+ million people and about 11-20 million do not pay federal income tax (illegal immigrants). If we get a public option for all, that number of those that do not pay income tax will more than likely go up. We simple can not morally or practically exclude anyone from coverage regardless of legal status. Will it bankrupt the US, no. We are already bankrupt, another way of looking at it is that China is footing a lot of the bill for us.

[Flagg]

America difference from Europe in the fact that we have 300+ million people and about 11-20 million do not pay federal income tax (illegal immigrants). If we get a public option for all, that number of those that do not pay income tax will more than likely go up. We simple can not morally or practically exclude anyone from coverage regardless of legal status. Will it bankrupt the US, no. We are already bankrupt, another way of looking at it is that China is footing a lot of the bill for us.

Immigration is in essence, a different story and yes it sucks that illegals would get all of these benefits, but illegal immigration seems to be horrendously managed in both the US and the UK and until Government knuckles down to do something about this, I don't see how denying the rest of the American population to spite the noise of some 15 million illegal South Americans is constructive.

[thegodfather]

Well this still has to be passed through the Senate before it becomes official, right? And I can see the Republicans stopping this on pure partisanship alone, I mean wasn't there only ONE republican that voted the Bill in?

Personally I don't think Universal Healthcare is the great evil so many pretend it is, I mean its amazing how words like "socialism", "communism" will fill the average American with dread, yet they have no idea what the words mean, much less able to spell them. Universal Healthcare works for the rest of the G8 and Europe is NOT some quasi-soviet association of states, nor is America about to become one.

The only gripe is, Obama is pushing this too soon. You'd thinking sorting out the Economy, the borrowing and the vast somes of money spent on the two pointless wars in the Middle East would be top priority.

Universal health care is much more disastrous than you tend to think. I am not going to write a book because I always feel I have to explain so much. But when government takes over any private sector enterprise, there is an undeniable outcome.. QUALITY GOES DOWN AND COSTS GO UP. There are more MRI machines in Pittsburgh than in the entire country of England. In England, there are more administrators than practitioners by a factor of 3:1. It is a hugely wasteful, inefficient, ineffective system with poorer outcomes than the United States. I will leave it at that for now.

P.S.- the same bureaucrats who have been running the bankrupt businesses of Amtrak and the US Postal Service, have been running both as bankrupt businesses, at a deficit, EVERY SINGLE YEAR of their existence under government control. FedEx and UPS are quite profitable businesses. I think that speaks volume about government running anything, especially something as vital as health care.

[Flagg]

Universal health care is much more disastrous than you tend to think. I am not going to write a book because I always feel I have to explain so much. But when government takes over any private sector enterprise, there is an undeniable outcome.. QUALITY GOES DOWN AND COSTS GO UP. There are more MRI machines in Pittsburgh than in the entire country of England. In England, there are more administrators than practitioners by a factor of 3:1. It is a hugely wasteful, inefficient, ineffective system with poorer outcomes than the United States. I will leave it at that for now.

P.S.- the same bureaucrats who have been running the bankrupt businesses of Amtrak and the US Postal Service, have been running both as bankrupt businesses, at a deficit, EVERY SINGLE YEAR of their existence under government control. FedEx and UPS are quite profitable businesses. I think that speaks volume about government running anything, especially something as vital as health care.

You talk as if corruption doesn't exist in the Private Sector. The same PS that allowed Enron to **** up and Bernie Madoff to con people out of money and drag the worldwide economy into a huge recession. Also, im not sure but I don't think this bill eliminates the Private Sector. If government run health insurance is as ineffecient as you claim then surely the Private Sector will have no problem pulling ahead with people congregating to private insurance companies because they're better.

[BgMc31]

No, I am not disagreeing with you at all.

I agree that universal health care reform is indeed a solid idea.

It's just that I don't trust the government as of late.

And it's the fvcking republicans also.

It's just myself on a rant.

It's very convoluted BgMc, you have to agree.

It will take years to see what comes of this after the dust settles.

We shall see.



On another note, how ya been doing?

Long time it seems since we have spoken.

As usuall, some interesting things have been developing here in the news.

I try to stay out of the lounge, for the most part.

Mostly idiotic stuff going on in there, but it is the lounge after all.

(yes, I did post in there tonight, got a PM that HD trashed his 3rd vehicle, so I could not resist!!LOL)

Best

T

Everything is good brotha. This is convention season here in Vegas, so there is a lot of bodyguard work available for me right now. I've been doing a whole lot of that lately. It will calm down after Dec. 1.

America difference from Europe in the fact that we have 300+ million people and about 11-20 million do not pay federal income tax (illegal immigrants). If we get a public option for all, that number of those that do not pay income tax will more than likely go up. We simple can not morally or practically exclude anyone from coverage regardless of legal status. Will it bankrupt the US, no. We are already bankrupt, another way of looking at it is that China is footing a lot of the bill for us.

This bill doesn't cover illegal immigrants.

Universal health care is much more disastrous than you tend to think. I am not going to write a book because I always feel I have to explain so much. But when government takes over any private sector enterprise, there is an undeniable outcome.. QUALITY GOES DOWN AND COSTS GO UP. There are more MRI machines in Pittsburgh than in the entire country of England. In England, there are more administrators than practitioners by a factor of 3:1. It is a hugely wasteful, inefficient, ineffective system with poorer outcomes than the United States. I will leave it at that for now.

P.S.- the same bureaucrats who have been running the bankrupt businesses of Amtrak and the US Postal Service, have been running both as bankrupt businesses, at a deficit, EVERY SINGLE YEAR of their existence under government control. FedEx and UPS are quite profitable businesses. I think that speaks volume about government running anything, especially something as vital as health care.

It seems most people who oppose this bill continue to use this 'government takeover' argument. This is a public OPTION. So like the Postal Service and Amtrak, no one will be forced to use this program. It's available for those who want it. Remember conservatives demonized social security and Medicaid as a step towards socialism and communism. How did that turn out?

[Kratos]

[ Remember conservatives demonized social security and Medicaid as a step towards socialism and communism. How did that turn out?[/B]

Pretty fvcking shitty. Way over budget. On track to bankrupt us, and will offer little in the way of benifits to the people who are just begining a lifetime of paying in.

[inheritmylife]

Remember conservatives demonized social security and Medicaid as a step towards socialism and communism. How did that turn out?

They're unsustainable, poorly run and unconstitutional programs that are bankrupting our country for generations to come.

[MuscleScience]

[B]


This bill doesn't cover illegal immigrants.

There is absolutely positively no way that illegal immigrants will be excluded from medical coverage. It may not be in the bill but what is in the bill and what is really going to happen are two different things all together.

[Bull_Nuts]

Universal health care is much more disastrous than you tend to think. I am not going to write a book because I always feel I have to explain so much. But when government takes over any private sector enterprise, there is an undeniable outcome.. QUALITY GOES DOWN AND COSTS GO UP. There are more MRI machines in Pittsburgh than in the entire country of England. In England, there are more administrators than practitioners by a factor of 3:1. It is a hugely wasteful, inefficient, ineffective system with poorer outcomes than the United States. I will leave it at that for now.

P.S.- the same bureaucrats who have been running the bankrupt businesses of Amtrak and the US Postal Service, have been running both as bankrupt businesses, at a deficit, EVERY SINGLE YEAR of their existence under government control. FedEx and UPS are quite profitable businesses. I think that speaks volume about government running anything, especially something as vital as health care.

I have a feeling cost will still be expensive one way or another and quality will still suck...

[Kratos]

I have a feeling cost will still be expensive one way or another and quality will still suck...

All these people on the universal heathcare band wagon...and nobody has yet to outline where the cost saving will be, and how much money we will save as a nation.

All they say is, our costs are high and if we don't reform we'll go bankrupt as a nation. That's a fallacy, because were is the proof heathcare reform is not more expensive the way the bill is written.

It's also a dirty and corrupt bill. No tort reform, to please the lawyer lobby. You must carry insurance by law from a private insurance if you can afford it to try and satisfy the insurance lobby. It's special interest at it's worst, repackaged to the American public as progress. It's dirty business.

[Flagg]

It's a $1.2 TRILLION TRILLION TRILLION dollar increase in our taxes??? Where the "F" are we going to come up with this money? They already proved it will make our rates TRIPPLE over the next several years. How is this helping anyone???

Yeah but isn't that 1.2 trillion over a 10 year period? Considering the US spends half that amount every year on Defence, i'd say that was affordable for you guys.