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    I commend you for your research although I will just say that the clinical studies have been done on individuals that are not YOU. That is why I would still only run Test only for your first cycle, If you introduce Primo, Test, and Deca, what if you get a bad reaction? It will be difficult to tell if it from all three, a combination of 2, or a dosage of one of these.

    And as for your recommended PCT, I have no idea about alternative PCT but I will stick with what has been working for myself (and others for over 30+ years).


    I am sure a vet can come in here and perhaps comment on your proposed PCT.

    guggulsterones impact thyroid activity(boost it), I have seen them in a lot of Fat Burners.

    As for safest Fat Burners, anything OTC you can buy is usually "safe" if you want something more extreme, There is ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin), and if you're going crazy Clen, T3, and DNP

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_k View Post
    I commend you for your research although I will just say that the clinical studies have been done on individuals that are not YOU. That is why I would still only run Test only for your first cycle, If you introduce Primo, Test, and Deca, what if you get a bad reaction? It will be difficult to tell if it from all three, a combination of 2, or a dosage of one of these.

    And as for your recommended PCT, I have no idea about alternative PCT but I will stick with what has been working for myself (and others for over 30+ years).


    I am sure a vet can come in here and perhaps comment on your proposed PCT.

    guggulsterones impact thyroid activity(boost it), I have seen them in a lot of Fat Burners.

    As for safest Fat Burners, anything OTC you can buy is usually "safe" if you want something more extreme, There is ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin), and if you're going crazy Clen, T3, and DNP
    I know what you mean!

    I will run a month of test prop or sust then later I will gradually add Deca and Primo!

    What dose of clomid is needed for the sides to start?

    Do you know anything about Evista (Raloxifene), Cyclofenil or Tomerifene (Fareston)?

    How safe are these compounds?

    Do I know my AAS info?

    I know guuglestrones stimulate the thyroid!

    Are they good fat burners?

    Thanks for the info!

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    You might know enough to run a test e only cycle or something. Like everyone here said give youself a try with one thing at a time not a huge stack. You definitly need clomid or nolva for pct no exceptions, no over the counter stuff will suffice ,for example can you get the test otc not witout a prescription.
    Anyways is all i am trying to say is the guys on here know alot about all of these compounds and you should always follow there advice,they will not steer you wrong.Oh yeah and i just got thru with my cycle and used clomid for pct the sides were only bad the first 3 days no bluring of vision , a little bit of acne and a bit of sadness ,i think i got like 7 or 8 pimples from it ,just take it at night and you ll surpass most sides take care friend

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    Bro,

    If your bf is 28% you DO NOT need steroids but cardio and diet. At 28% your sides like high blood pressure are going to put you at high risk.

    b mit

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmit View Post
    Bro,

    If your bf is 28% you DO NOT need steroids but cardio and diet. At 28% your sides like high blood pressure are going to put you at high risk.

    b mit
    My blood pressure and cholesterol are fine!

    I do swimming, walking and soon kickboxing for cardio!

    What sports are good for cardio?

    Are board sports like mountain boarding good?

    I am looking for a descent fat burner!

    That is why I asked about guggul and coleus forkohlii!

    Running gives me lower back pain and I hate using treadmills and exercise bikes, crosstrainer is okay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREAKWESSNIPES View Post
    I do swimming, walking and soon kickboxing for cardio!
    Continue this program for a little longer along with a good diet and lower your BF% BEFORE you go on cycle! bmit is right you put your self at a higher risk of side effects.

    What is your training experience/program like, you haven't mentioned that yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippa View Post
    Continue this program for a little longer along with a good diet and lower your BF% BEFORE you go on cycle! bmit is right you put your self at a higher risk of side effects.

    What is your training experience/program like, you haven't mentioned that yet?
    I have been going to the gym on and off for a few years now and I know how to train and lift!

    But I know I train at home 5 days a week with dumbells!

    Three days a week I do arms and the other two I do legs!

    I am planning to get some descent heavy dumbells for home or will join a bodybuilding gym!

    I just get bored after a months if I have nothing to help me get gains!

    I usually go three times a week!

    How much should I lower my BF to?
    Last edited by GREAKWESSNIPES; 11-13-2009 at 09:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zepiqueno View Post
    You might know enough to run a test e only cycle or something. Like everyone here said give youself a try with one thing at a time not a huge stack. You definitly need clomid or nolva for pct no exceptions, no over the counter stuff will suffice ,for example can you get the test otc not witout a prescription.
    Anyways is all i am trying to say is the guys on here know alot about all of these compounds and you should always follow there advice,they will not steer you wrong.Oh yeah and i just got thru with my cycle and used clomid for pct the sides were only bad the first 3 days no bluring of vision , a little bit of acne and a bit of sadness ,i think i got like 7 or 8 pimples from it ,just take it at night and you ll surpass most sides take care friend
    I just wanted to run 1 AAS at first anyway!

    I liked Deca because of the low sides but low dose test will not have many sides aswell!

    Athletes like Deca because of the low sides and descent gains!

    Linford Christie and the late Chris Bennoit took nandrolone!

    What dose should I run the test?

    Do you know what EU countries have week AAS laws n what ones have the chaepest?

    Is cheaper to import them or bring them in from abroard rather than buy from a local dealler?

    I will start of with test prop or sust for a few weeks to see what it is like and how my body will react to it!

    Then month by month I will add the other two later most probs Deca then Primo!

    I think it is called a step cycle!

    I like Clomid and Nolva - they have not got many sides and do not affect the liver much!

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