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the only way you could claim any physical dependence, is if you were completely shut down, and werent coming back. then obviously you would require TRT to feel normal. but i still dont think that constitutes addiction. since its not a chemical dependence, on a chemical thats foreign to the body. its a hormone that your body is SUPPOSED to produce, but it isnt anymore.
anything else would be strictly a mental addiction.
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why is it possible to be addicted to nicotine, but not possible to be dependant on a hormone? Why is the hamster giving it to himself??? It isn't to get huge you can bet.Originally Posted by Someguy123
How many people thought they'd just do one cycle, only to realize years later they've done several and looking forward to their next?
If the leap can be made by the medical establisment, it opens the door to further enforcement.
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the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.
the part in bold is what holds the most weight with me. sure if you quit juicing, you feel kinda lethargic for awhile, till your hormones line out. but its not like quitting a chemical dependency, where your body physically cant function, until it learns to operate without the chemical.
but with the definition as a whole, i can understand your point of view, for classifying steroids, as being addictive. because being jacked, and full of energy sure can be habit forming. i dont think anybody here enjoys the feeling, when you go off cycle. and it can be psycologically habit forming, due to this reason as well.
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Why would law enforcement need this study to justify further enforcement when its already got Kratos, Chucky and BJJ preaching the dangers of steroids, which will be used politically (and religiously) to justify further enforcement? If you want freedom of choice in this area, emphasize safety. And why would someone who is convinced they can't be used safely join a board like this unless they have ulterior motives? Or maybe Kratos, Chucky and BJJ welcome further enforcement. Maybe that's their point?
Or maybe Kratos' point in starting this thread was that he just wanted to stir the pot and get an argument/discussion started, and that no matter what anyone posts he's going to take the opposite side.
All I've got is my experience, which tells me the dangers of steriod use are grossly over-exagerated. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon. Hell my doctor wrote the presccription.
cheers.
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I think the steroids went to your brain man.
Maybe I thought it was an interesting topic. Or that it's a good idea to keep our goals in check, and respect the drugs we are using.
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^^^fvckin couldnt agree more well said kratos
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I think its great to respect the drugs you are using. Based on my experience they can be used safely. When I pointed out earlier in the thread that I thought they could be used safely, you, BJJ and Chucky disagreed. Now you are flip flopping on it and saying maybe they can be.
I think steroids and studies have gone to your head. I prefer to listen to people with experience. And I know you dont get Thirty-Two Thousand (32,000) posts on a board like this by lifting weights and spending your time in the gym.
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OOOOOOOH!
Tha was a heavy one.
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Listen to people with experience...how does that make any sense? Because you can somehow become good at doing steroids. Use = knowledge? How about learning from people who are educated on the subject or educating yourself, and education comes from reading.
I hate to tell you but your experience doesn't mean anything. How many people know lifetime smokers live to be 90? Should I ask them about their experience, and how to safely smoke? It's all about the studies and percentages to figure these things out.
Steroids and studies have gone to my head??? I guess I may be one of the few people who actually enjoys reading clinical studies. Not just on steroids but many subjects. And I have to keep up on them as part of my job. Also, I had a lot of free time at work, hence the high post count, and half of them were rolled onto my post counter by admin...shhhh
As for my physique, I'm happy with how I look. I'm no competitive bodybuilder and many people can lift more weight then me. Weightlifting is not my life, and I have several other hobbies. 6'3'' 251 pounds at 13% bf.
Clearly you disagree. But you keep trying to make it personal, like an alchy defending his bottle. I always wondered why they had to put right on the pack, that cigarettes were bad for you back when I was a kid. My mom told me it's for the people who don't know they're bad for you. Who the heck would think they weren't bad for you with all the evidence out there? Thankyou, now I understand why.
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Man, obviously you do not know me at all...
...but it has been a pleasure to KNOW You.
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Whatever makes you sleep better at night, Ignorance is bliss.
Do i feel AAS is grossly exagerated in the media? Of course and everyone on here will agree but thats not saying were oblivious to the fact there may be long term dangers when chronically using this drug.
Hey guess what i love blow as well and can use that safely but do i think its good for me if i would abuse it long term?
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That was me... I did my first cycle when - was 19...then waited to do my 2nd one when I was 26 and now I do 3 cycles per year and I figure I will stop when I'm 36...so two and half more years...
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This is how I understand it with the knowledge I have accumulated over the past 6 years. Recreational drugs have different pathways to addiction. Many physically addictive substances work by exploiting the drugs that our body naturally utilizes. With nicotine or cocaine and many other physically addictive substances, dopamine receptors are stimulated. This is generally referred to as the pleasure center of the brain. We naturally strive to acheive stimulation of these receptors, whether it comes from overeating (yes this is a way to stimulate dopamine) or from "drugs". I think that most hormones dramatically effect our mood which is regulated by a very complex system of chemicals. Some hormones cause a balance of these mood related chemicals to change in favor of positive moods, some of them make us feel shitty. It is retarded to believe that you cannot be addicted physically to something that the body makes naturally.
Once the famous painter Salvador Dali was asked if he used drugs. He replied "I AM drugs"
On a side note, hormone balance is key in addiction as well. For example: insulin uptake is also stimulated upon eating high glycemic carb meals. Ever hear of someone having a sweet tooth? Alcoholics boost their insulin uptake with every drink (which causes a chain reaction of many hormones to be utilized). I am familiar with alcoholism because certain members of my family have always been heavy drinkers. They always tend to replace alcohol with sweet foods when they are not drinking. Is this a surprise? what do you think...
While it is stupid to think that naturally produced hormones do not play a huge role in different addiction patterns, I personally think it is stupider to go around thinking that it is best not to mess with any hormones at all. Every time you eat a meal or exercise you are changing the balance of hormones and so many other chemicals in your body which will have a dramatic impact on mood and addiction. I bet many of you are familiar with the addiction to exercise. When I was a teen, I liked rec drugs. Then I got a little older and decided I get way higher from exercise. Then I found bodybuilding and discovered that I can get really high, improve my self image (and the way I appear to others), AND regulate my mood in favor of feeling good more often simply by lifting heavy weights in moderation. When you add hormones to the mix, I personally think it the right choice of hormones can improve your mood much further.
To take it even further, hormones and bodybuilding cause your brain to look at eating more food in a positive light. Not only does this allow you to stimulate more dopamine receptors more often from eating more, it can actually remove the drawbacks of feeling sorry for yourself because you ate more. It also allows you to eat more without getting fat. It is WELL documented that the fatter you are (especially with women) the more of an imbalance in hormones you will acheive in the direction of having depressed feelings.
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Still an addiction...
The mind controls all...
Gambling is addictive, Im fairly certain feeling good is addictive as well...
Addiction is addiciton mental/physical at the end of the day its the same thing.
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personally, i think the word addiction is used WAY too freely nowadays. they call anything that people crave, an addiction. like "sex addiction" ?? what fcukin guy doesnt want sex all the time?? its not an addiction, its a natrual bodily function. i take a dump everyday, but im not "addicted" to taking sh!ts.
and really, when it comes down to it. nothing is really an addiction. all there is are addicts. which is just a word to describe someone with no will power.
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But will power is determined by neurotransmitters values to a degree...
But then the mind ahs the ability to overcome this...
This is a very long and indepth covnersation that alot of people dont have the capacity to really get into depth about it. I am one of those much like everyone else here, unless someone is a molecular phsyciatrist or something..
At the end of the day you dont feel desperate t take a shit, you dont sit on the toilet waiting for it to happen...
I played 15 hours of grand theft auto yesterday addicted? Perhaps... But we all have addictive personalitys look at us we are here on forums checking new posts and commenting on things because we feel we need to share and need to do this...
Addiciton is everywhere some just cant happen to see it..
However addiction is only bad when the consaquences of the addiciton become bad.
I like driivng my car at 200kmph... i feel a need to do that. Do i do it no? Why? Because i dont want to go to gaol.. If i had less will power i would simply do it ignore consaquences and do what makes me happy..
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I am addicted to breathing oxygen, in this mix I inhale called air. If I dont breathe a little of it every day I get the shakes really, really bad. I have tried to quit many times, but cant. My body seems to be physically dependent on this substance! HELP!
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