Can you be addicted to steroids?

[Kratos]

the only way you could claim any physical dependence, is if you were completely shut down, and werent coming back. then obviously you would require TRT to feel normal. but i still dont think that constitutes addiction. since its not a chemical dependence, on a chemical thats foreign to the body. its a hormone that your body is SUPPOSED to produce, but it isnt anymore.

anything else would be strictly a mental addiction.

why is it possible to be addicted to nicotine, but not possible to be dependant on a hormone? Why is the hamster giving it to himself??? It isn't to get huge you can bet.

How many people thought they'd just do one cycle, only to realize years later they've done several and looking forward to their next?

If the leap can be made by the medical establisment, it opens the door to further enforcement.

[Someguy123]

why is it possible to be addicted to nicotine, but not possible to be dependant on a hormone? Why is the hamster giving it to himself??? It isn't to get huge you can bet.

How many people thought they'd just do one cycle, only to realize years later they've done several and looking forward to their next?

If the leap can be made by the medical establisment, it opens the door to further enforcement.

ad-dic-tion

the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.


the part in bold is what holds the most weight with me. sure if you quit juicing, you feel kinda lethargic for awhile, till your hormones line out. but its not like quitting a chemical dependency, where your body physically cant function, until it learns to operate without the chemical.

but with the definition as a whole, i can understand your point of view, for classifying steroids, as being addictive. because being jacked, and full of energy sure can be habit forming. i dont think anybody here enjoys the feeling, when you go off cycle. and it can be psycologically habit forming, due to this reason as well.

[1bigun11]

If the leap can be made by the medical establisment, it opens the door to further enforcement.

Why would law enforcement need this study to justify further enforcement when its already got Kratos, Chucky and BJJ preaching the dangers of steroids, which will be used politically (and religiously) to justify further enforcement? If you want freedom of choice in this area, emphasize safety. And why would someone who is convinced they can't be used safely join a board like this unless they have ulterior motives? Or maybe Kratos, Chucky and BJJ welcome further enforcement. Maybe that's their point?

Or maybe Kratos' point in starting this thread was that he just wanted to stir the pot and get an argument/discussion started, and that no matter what anyone posts he's going to take the opposite side.

All I've got is my experience, which tells me the dangers of steriod use are grossly over-exagerated. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon. Hell my doctor wrote the presccription.

cheers.

[Kratos]

Why would law enforcement need this study to justify further enforcement when its already got Kratos, Chucky and BJJ preaching the dangers of steroids, which will be used politically (and religiously) to justify further enforcement? If you want freedom of choice in this area, emphasize safety. And why would someone who is convinced they can't be used safely join a board like this unless they have ulterior motives? Or maybe Kratos, Chucky and BJJ welcome further enforcement. Maybe that's their point?

Or maybe Kratos' point in starting this thread was that he just wanted to stir the pot and get an argument/discussion started, and that no matter what anyone posts he's going to take the opposite side..

I think the steroids went to your brain man.

Maybe I thought it was an interesting topic. Or that it's a good idea to keep our goals in check, and respect the drugs we are using.

[CRACKER]

I think the steroids went to your brain man.

Maybe I thought it was an interesting topic. Or that it's a good idea to keep our goals in check, and respect the drugs we are using.

^^^fvckin couldnt agree more well said kratos

[1bigun11]

I think the steroids went to your brain man.

Maybe I thought it was an interesting topic. Or that it's a good idea to keep our goals in check, and respect the drugs we are using.

I think its great to respect the drugs you are using. Based on my experience they can be used safely. When I pointed out earlier in the thread that I thought they could be used safely, you, BJJ and Chucky disagreed. Now you are flip flopping on it and saying maybe they can be.

I think steroids and studies have gone to your head. I prefer to listen to people with experience. And I know you dont get Thirty-Two Thousand (32,000) posts on a board like this by lifting weights and spending your time in the gym.

[BJJ]

I think its great to respect the drugs you are using. Based on my experience they can be used safely. When I pointed out earlier in the thread that I thought they could be used safely, you, BJJ and Chucky disagreed. Now you are flip flopping on it and saying maybe they can be.

I think steroids and studies have gone to your head. I prefer to listen to people with experience. And I know you dont get Thirty-Two Thousand (32,000) posts on a board like this by lifting weights and spending your time in the gym.

OOOOOOOH!
Tha was a heavy one.

[Kratos]

I think its great to respect the drugs you are using. Based on my experience they can be used safely. When I pointed out earlier in the thread that I thought they could be used safely, you, BJJ and Chucky disagreed. Now you are flip flopping on it and saying maybe they can be.

I think steroids and studies have gone to your head. I prefer to listen to people with experience. And I know you dont get Thirty-Two Thousand (32,000) posts on a board like this by lifting weights and spending your time in the gym.

Listen to people with experience...how does that make any sense? Because you can somehow become good at doing steroids. Use = knowledge? How about learning from people who are educated on the subject or educating yourself, and education comes from reading.

I hate to tell you but your experience doesn't mean anything. How many people know lifetime smokers live to be 90? Should I ask them about their experience, and how to safely smoke? It's all about the studies and percentages to figure these things out.

Steroids and studies have gone to my head??? I guess I may be one of the few people who actually enjoys reading clinical studies. Not just on steroids but many subjects. And I have to keep up on them as part of my job. Also, I had a lot of free time at work, hence the high post count, and half of them were rolled onto my post counter by admin...shhhh

As for my physique, I'm happy with how I look. I'm no competitive bodybuilder and many people can lift more weight then me. Weightlifting is not my life, and I have several other hobbies. 6'3'' 251 pounds at 13% bf.

Clearly you disagree. But you keep trying to make it personal, like an alchy defending his bottle. I always wondered why they had to put right on the pack, that cigarettes were bad for you back when I was a kid. My mom told me it's for the people who don't know they're bad for you. Who the heck would think they weren't bad for you with all the evidence out there? Thankyou, now I understand why.

[BJJ]

Why would law enforcement need this study to justify further enforcement when its already got Kratos, Chucky and BJJ preaching the dangers of steroids, which will be used politically (and religiously) to justify further enforcement? If you want freedom of choice in this area, emphasize safety. And why would someone who is convinced they can't be used safely join a board like this unless they have ulterior motives? Or maybe Kratos, Chucky and BJJ welcome further enforcement. Maybe that's their point?

Or maybe Kratos' point in starting this thread was that he just wanted to stir the pot and get an argument/discussion started, and that no matter what anyone posts he's going to take the opposite side.

All I've got is my experience, which tells me the dangers of steriod use are grossly over-exagerated. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon. Hell my doctor wrote the presccription.

cheers.

Man, obviously you do not know me at all...

...but it has been a pleasure to KNOW You.

[chuckt12345]

Why would law enforcement need this study to justify further enforcement when its already got Kratos, Chucky and BJJ preaching the dangers of steroids, which will be used politically (and religiously) to justify further enforcement? If you want freedom of choice in this area, emphasize safety. And why would someone who is convinced they can't be used safely join a board like this unless they have ulterior motives? Or maybe Kratos, Chucky and BJJ welcome further enforcement. Maybe that's their point?

Or maybe Kratos' point in starting this thread was that he just wanted to stir the pot and get an argument/discussion started, and that no matter what anyone posts he's going to take the opposite side.

All I've got is my experience, which tells me the dangers of steriod use are grossly over-exagerated. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon. Hell my doctor wrote the presccription.

cheers.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night, Ignorance is bliss.

Do i feel AAS is grossly exagerated in the media? Of course and everyone on here will agree but thats not saying were oblivious to the fact there may be long term dangers when chronically using this drug.
Hey guess what i love blow as well and can use that safely but do i think its good for me if i would abuse it long term?

[Misery13]

why is it possible to be addicted to nicotine, but not possible to be dependant on a hormone? Why is the hamster giving it to himself??? It isn't to get huge you can bet.

How many people thought they'd just do one cycle, only to realize years later they've done several and looking forward to their next?

If the leap can be made by the medical establisment, it opens the door to further enforcement.

That was me... I did my first cycle when - was 19...then waited to do my 2nd one when I was 26 and now I do 3 cycles per year and I figure I will stop when I'm 36...so two and half more years...