Curious as to your guys thoughts on these cycles???

[Sauced_Up]

Been thinking a bit and am curious as to what you guys would choose for BULKING, either from knowledge or experience...



Choose between:

(A) WEEKS 1-12
Test E dosed at 750-1g/week
Winstrol dosed at 50mg/day (last 6 weeks)
With also a kickstart of your choice


(B) WEEKS 1-12
Test E dosed at 250mg/week
Deca dosed at 600mg/week
With also a kickstart of your choice




Any input is appreciated. None of this is currently in my intention to run, just curious as to what would be more effective.

[chuckt12345]

IMO (B) will put waaaay more strenght and mass on.

[Sauced_Up]

Damn only one person chimed it the whole day so far???

Bump for some opinions

[MotoLifter]

IMO (B) will put waaaay more strenght and mass on.

agreed, but both are dependent on several variables: exp., age, etc.

but just as an answer i think B would be the better strength cycle.

[MuscleScience]

What are your stats

hgt
weight
training
cycle experience
ect.

[marcus300]

What are your stats

hgt
weight
training
cycle experience
ect.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Sauced_Up]

My stats are posted under my profile but might be a lil diff now since im dieting.

So my current stats are:
6' 2"
211lbs
11.3% BF
20 years old
Lifting since 15 (Bodybuilding training/Strict diet since 17)
Ive ran Test, Mdrol, Tren extreme, Epi, Hdrol


Now lets get some replies on whats more effective for bulking... Higher Test dosage or stacking with a TRT Test dosage

[Sauced_Up]

Bump for some answers

[redz]

how many cycles have you done?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

why such a higher dose of deca than test?

[D7M]

My stats are posted under my profile but might be a lil diff now since im dieting.

So my current stats are:
6' 2"
211lbs
11.3% BF
20 years old
Lifting since 15 (Bodybuilding training/Strict diet since 17)
Ive ran Test, Mdrol, Tren extreme, Epi, Hdrol


Now lets get some replies on whats more effective for bulking... Higher Test dosage or stacking with a TRT Test dosage

C'mon Sauced, you've been around here long enough to know that no one will hand out cycle advice to a 20year old.

[Sauced_Up]

how many cycles have you done?

Injectable: 1 - Test E 12weeks at 500mg
DS/PH: Alot

About to start my second injectable cycle once my NPP comes in... This whole post is for future reference as to whats more effective.

C'mon Sauced, you've been around here long enough to know that no one will hand out cycle advice to a 20year old.

Im not an average 20 year old. I fitness model and im looking to compete in NPC southern states either next year or the year after, depending on how much size I can put on. Working out and taking my body to the next level has been my life the past 3 years.

And I dont want advice right now, im only asking whats more effective. Sticking to Test but dosing it high or stacking with a TRT dose of Test

[c-Z]

So because you are not average... And a fitness model looking to compete means the way your body is built and made is different then an average 20 year old males body? Ya that makes sense. Stop lying to yourself to make you think it is ok.

[bjpennnn]

lets get some pics

[MuscleScience]

C'mon Sauced, you've been around here long enough to know that no one will hand out cycle advice to a 20year old.

I almost said the same thing.

[Quo]

Man, personally I think it's horrible what the "fitness industry" has done to f*ck up the public perception of what "fit" looks like. Every single fitness model is blatantly juiced up... and now we have a 20 year old willing to screw his life up to fill that mold. If we're honest with ourselves, there's very little that's "fit" with looking like the guys on the cover of fitness magazines, especially for a 20 year old.

Sorry to go off on a tangent here. It's been a pet peeve of mine for years.

[c-Z]

Man, personally I think it's horrible what the "fitness industry" has done to f*ck up the public perception of what "fit" looks like. Every single fitness model is blatantly juiced up... and now we have a 20 year old willing to screw his life up to fill that mold. If we're honest with ourselves, there's very little that's "fit" with looking like the guys on the cover of fitness magazines, especially for a 20 year old.

Sorry to go off on a tangent here. It's been a pet peeve of mine for years.

Dont mind him. Hes having a bad day. ROFL...

It is true though....

[Sauced_Up]

So because you are not average... And a fitness model looking to compete means the way your body is built and made is different then an average 20 year old males body? Ya that makes sense. Stop lying to yourself to make you think it is ok.

Dont take what I said out of context. When I said im not the average 20 year old, I meant I have a strict diet, day in and day out. Hit the gym consistently for the past 3 years only for bodybuilding. Dont drink, dont smoke, dont do any recreational drugs, nothing. I dont live the same life as a 20 year old college kid, so yes that doesnt make me average. Also I get blood work done to make sure I stay healthy so dont come here telling me im completely reckless. Im done justifying my actions.

lets get some pics

Current pic comming up... give me a sec. I dont have any of my old fitness modeling pics (took the past year off to bulk) since my computer crashed but I do have a photoshoot coming up at the end of March so ill post them up once I get them taken.

[Sauced_Up]

Heres a pic of me 2 weeks ago when I started dieting. I was at 223lbs in this pic. I am currently down to 211-212lbs. Enjoy.

[bjpennnn]

fitness model?

[bjpennnn]

bro thats not a bulk you look tinyyyyy.

[Sauced_Up]

bro thats not a bulk you look tinyyyyy.

Tiny??? are you kidding me. Im only 20, in that pic im at 223lbs with less then 15%BF and im 6' 2". How many 20 year olds do you know that have those stats??

And yes I do fitness model, did I say I was big time, NO, do I think im anywhere never cover model status, NO, thats why I am on this site to help get me to the level I need to be to accomplish my goals. But to call me tiny, thats funny.

[Vitruvian-Man]

bro thats not a bulk you look tinyyyyy.

I think it's hilarious when people who are like ~5'6 chirp guys that are 5 - 8 inches taller then them for being "small"

Bro, he's 6'2. do you know how much weight you have to pack on to look "massive" at that sort of height.

6'2 and 223p w/ 15% and small, HA

[bjpennnn]

lol he said he was a fitness model. look at his arms. I dont know i guess i expected more. To get down to fitness model look he would have to cut a shit load of fat, and he doesnt seem to e holding that much muscle up top. am i missing something?

[CanYouDigIt]

no your not missing much, he looks small for the stats he's saying, I'm close to 6 feet, n I was thicker than him at 190, his arms are like 15 1/2 when flexed, and he dosen't look 15% bf.

to be honest I don't know, he might be big boned. he's not "an average 20 years old after all"

[Vitruvian-Man]

lol he said he was a fitness model. look at his arms. I dont know i guess i expected more. To get down to fitness model look he would have to cut a shit load of fat, and he doesnt seem to e holding that much muscle up top. am i missing something?

lol yah... well I'm just talking about you calling him out for being tiny. because he clearly isn't w/ those stats

none of my comments were about the fitness model deallooo...

s'alll goood though

[bjpennnn]

I am just saying small as in muslce i guess i dunno. Dude i consider yao ming small, if you feel me. ha i am just having a hard time with him claiming fitness model that is it nor trying to call him small.

[Sauced_Up]

no your not missing much, he looks small for the stats he's saying, I'm close to 6 feet, n I was thicker than him at 190, his arms are like 15 1/2 when flexed, and he dosen't look 15% bf.

to be honest I don't know, he might be big boned. he's not "an average 20 years old after all"

15 inch arms you serious? my arms arnt even flexd in this pic. Last time I measured them, which was sometime in November I was just over 17.35". And not 15% BF, you can see the outline of my upper abs.

Please post a pic up of yourself at 190 so we can compare

[CanYouDigIt]

I did, they're in the member section, I'll even get my camera back and repost at 210lbs, might take few days but it will be done.

[Sauced_Up]

lol he said he was a fitness model. look at his arms. I dont know i guess i expected more. To get down to fitness model look he would have to cut a shit load of fat, and he doesnt seem to e holding that much muscle up top. am i missing something?

I can understand where you would expect more but remember most big time fitness models are around 23-25 years old. Im only 20 so I got some time before I am there. Your correct where you say im fat, shit I think im fat right now but by time my shot comes around Ill be around 195lbs, that should put me in the 6-7%BF range.

[bjpennnn]

bro i meant no disrepesct to you. Honestly if you are a fitness model sounds like a great job. Dont trip q tip.

[ranging1]

Tiny??? are you kidding me. Im only 20, in that pic im at 223lbs with less then 15%BF and im 6' 2". How many 20 year olds do you know that have those stats??
And yes I do fitness model, did I say I was big time, NO, do I think im anywhere never cover model status, NO, thats why I am on this site to help get me to the level I need to be to accomplish my goals. But to call me tiny, thats funny.

im 19 years old, 230pounds 5'10 and between 11-12% bf, on my second cycle with 6 weeks still left and still bulking

guess you now know someone now

[bjpennnn]

lol you loook ten times better and you dont loook small in any way ranging (not trying to nut hug) but thats what i was saying his stats dont match the picture was all i was getting at. Thank you for saying that.

[marcus300]

im 19 years old, 230pounds 5'10 and between 11-12% bf, on my second cycle with 6 weeks still left and still bulking

guess you now know someone now

And you completely stupid and immature cycling at your age,jeez!


To the OP, your to young you can achieve your goals via diet and training, get down to some hardwork, AAS are not for you they will create problems in areas you wont like at your age..

[bjpennnn]

Marcus has to come in and ruin all the fun with his words of wisdom. Why dont I ever think to say those things. I guess its cuase i started cycling at 19...that was dumb.

[marcus300]

Marcus has to come in and ruin all the fun with his words of wisdom. Why dont I ever think to say those things. I guess its cuase i started cycling at 19...that was dumb.

Yes your correct,

We dont advice any 19yr old to cycle here, we try and promote a healthy board as possible and when someone hightlights that 19yrs old is good to cycle we must come in and express our opinion that its wrong and reckless, this board is full of newbies and we dont want them getting the wrong expression.

If you want to debate this issue start a thread in the lounge and lets not ruin this thread.

[ranging1]

And you completely stupid and immature cycling at your age,jeez!

To the OP, your to young you can achieve your goals via diet and training, get down to some hardwork, AAS are not for you they will create problems in areas you wont like at your age..

thanks marcus, always glad to see you to and here your support

Marcus has to come in and ruin all the fun with his words of wisdom. Why dont I ever think to say those things. I guess its cuase i started cycling at 19...that was dumb.

its alright i was waiting for marcus anyways

wasnt trying to encourage underage cycling, the OP just mentioned his stats and then presumed their werent many people around with similar ones

[dec11]

Injectable: 1 - Test E 12weeks at 500mg
DS/PH: Alot

About to start my second injectable cycle once my NPP comes in... This whole post is for future reference as to whats more effective.





Im not an average 20 year old. I fitness model and im looking to compete in NPC southern states either next year or the year after, depending on how much size I can put on. Working out and taking my body to the next level has been my life the past 3 years.

And I dont want advice right now, im only asking whats more effective. Sticking to Test but dosing it high or stacking with a TRT dose of Test

are you Clark Kent, Peter Parker???

[scorpion62]

Go to the diet forum and stop cycle wait until mid twentys to cycle way to young right now

[Sauced_Up]

Go to the diet forum and stop cycle wait until mid twentys to cycle way to young right now

Most parroted phrase on this site. I dont need to correct my diet. My diets on point.