Question For Marcus

[marcus300]

You would be better off reaching your natural weight limit via hard training and diet, this would build great foundation and secure your muscle mass, if your daily calories are adjusted to support your new found muscle you wont have a problem in maintaining your weight and size naturally.

If your only looking at doing one cycle to get to your natural weight limit and never doing a cycle again, I wouldn't advice you to do it, why risk complication when you can get to this weight limit easily by hardwork and diet, some people will have problems with their ability to recover and some even after their first cycle may experience issues with their natural testosterone, why would anyone risk that when they are only going to do one cycle and they can get to this weight limit natural and have no issues with recovery.

Keeping gains form AAS would also depend on how much muscle your trying to maintain over your natural limit, if its only a few lbs you will be able to support this by hard training and diet but you have to remember many people think they are lossing muscle tissue when off cycle but most of the weight loss is water weight and alot is to do with poor training and inadequate diets not supporting the new found muscle.

[scorgasm]

some people will have problems with their ability to recover and some even after their first cycle may experience issues with their natural testosterone.

So are you saying theres still a risk of permanently decreasing natural test levels, even with one cycle done properly?

[AnonEagle]

So are you saying theres still a risk of permanently decreasing natural test levels, even with one cycle done properly?

yes.

[KimboHalfSlice]

So are you saying theres still a risk of permanently decreasing natural test levels, even with one cycle done properly?

There is risk involved with everything you do in life. Sometimes the risk is so small that you should ignore it (otherwise you'd never get anything done in life!). Sometimes the risk is so great you'd be stupid to go ahead with things.

Eat a piece of chicken and there's a chance you'll get salmonella poisoning.

Walk across the road and there's a chance you'll get hit by a speeding car.

Go running and there's a chance you'll injure your knee.

Before I embark on something, I like to see statistics. From the statistics, I can make a risk assessment, and from that I can decide whether I want to go through with it or not. Here's some examples of statistics:

If a woman is taking birth control pills properly, the chances of her becoming pregnant are 0.3%

99% of men regain natural Testosterone levels within 6 months of stopping taking steroids.

If you do the following two things:
1) Take hCG while on cycle
2) Take Clomiphene and Tamoxifen when you finish your cycle

then I reckon you'd find it quite DIFFICULT to damage up your own natural Testosterone production (in much the same way it would be quite difficult to get pregnant if you're taking birth control pills every day).

The bodybuilders who have problems with low Testosterone after having taken steroids fall into two categories:

1) The really really really unlucky people who were in the 1% group of people who don't regain natural Testosterone levels within 6 months of taking steroids. Really it's just plain bad luck.

2) The people who took a lot of steroids for a long time, and who weren't taking hCG or doing Post Cycle Therapy with Clomiphene and Tamoxifen.

In my own opinion: If you do things properly, i.e. if you take hCG on cycle, and if you do PCT afterwards, then the chances of damaging your own natural Testosterone production are so low that they can safely be ignored.

[Jbert22]

99% of men regain natural Testosterone levels within 6 months of stopping taking steroids.





where did you get those numbers? i disagree

[KimboHalfSlice]

99% of men regain natural Testosterone levels within 6 months of stopping taking steroids.

Go here:

http://www.steroid.com/side.php

And look at "Inhibition of Natural Hormones". Here's an excerpt:

The following is a table showing the various hormonal levels of former steroid users who haven´t used them for a year:

TABLE GOES HERE

What we see in this chart is not surprising to anyone who is actually familiar with steroids, and not with media-hype. In people studied who haven' t used steroids for a year, ALL of their measured hormones (testosterone, estrogen) were within the NORMAL RANGE! Clearly, the effects that steroids have on your hormones are reversible and the horror stories we've all read in the media about people who never regained normal hormonal function after one cycle are greatly exaggerated. I think anyone who is familiar with "After School Specials" about steroids will be very surprised at learning this fact. As for "The Aaron Henry Story" on HBO, I can't imagine how he has suffered side effects well into his 40's when the steroid users in this study were totally fine after one year, and in some cases used more than he did!

Right now I'm searching the internet looking for that study that said 99%. I'll post back here when I find it.

[marcus300]

Go here:

http://www.steroid.com/side.php

And look at "Inhibition of Natural Hormones". Here's an excerpt:


Right now I'm searching the internet looking for that study that said 99%. I'll post back here when I find it.

From my experience and working with many user's ive seen the complete oppersite, but again not everyone responds the same, i'm saying I think the % is high rather than 99% didnt have issues with recovery.

I guess it all depneds on alot of points, like how long they have been using, how old were they when they first started, the guy in question who you responded to was a young guy.

To be honest I am not really interested in the study, it still wont change what have seen and experienced over the years, i still dont agree with it but thats just my experience others may have a different view

[dec11]

Go here:

http://www.steroid.com/side.php

And look at "Inhibition of Natural Hormones". Here's an excerpt:


Right now I'm searching the internet looking for that study that said 99%. I'll post back here when I find it.

man, give it up, your threads are some of the stupidest ive read

[marcus300]

There is risk involved with everything you do in life. Sometimes the risk is so small that you should ignore it (otherwise you'd never get anything done in life!). Sometimes the risk is so great you'd be stupid to go ahead with things.

Eat a piece of chicken and there's a chance you'll get salmonella poisoning.

Walk across the road and there's a chance you'll get hit by a speeding car.

Go running and there's a chance you'll injure your knee.

Before I embark on something, I like to see statistics. From the statistics, I can make a risk assessment, and from that I can decide whether I want to go through with it or not. Here's some examples of statistics:

If a woman is taking birth control pills properly, the chances of her becoming pregnant are 0.3%

99% of men regain natural Testosterone levels within 6 months of stopping taking steroids.

If you do the following two things:
1) Take hCG while on cycle
2) Take Clomiphene and Tamoxifen when you finish your cycle

then I reckon you'd find it quite DIFFICULT to damage up your own natural Testosterone production (in much the same way it would be quite difficult to get pregnant if you're taking birth control pills every day).

The bodybuilders who have problems with low Testosterone after having taken steroids fall into two categories:

1) The really really really unlucky people who were in the 1% group of people who don't regain natural Testosterone levels within 6 months of taking steroids. Really it's just plain bad luck.

2) The people who took a lot of steroids for a long time, and who weren't taking hCG or doing Post Cycle Therapy with Clomiphene and Tamoxifen.

In my own opinion: If you do things properly, i.e. if you take hCG on cycle, and if you do PCT afterwards, then the chances of damaging your own natural Testosterone production are so low that they can safely be ignored.

I disagree and from what ive seen over the years its the complete opersite to what you have stated.