My balls WTF is going on I'm freaking out

[dec11]

i know of tests which showed clomid and nolva as not having detrimental effects for a year or more, not exactly sure of the test period so dont quote me on it, i think it was stated on one of swiftos articles

[AnonEagle]

i know of tests which showed clomid and nolva as not having detrimental effects for a year or more, not exactly sure of the test period so dont quote me on it, i think it was stated on one of swiftos articles

nolva and clomid definitely do have real side effects. in the world of cancer treatments, tamoxifen (Nolva) is regarded as incredibly harsh and powerful, but still these sides are preferable to cancer... besides the liver toxicity, this is taken directly from Cancer.gov

The known, serious side effects of tamoxifen are blood clots, strokes, uterine cancer, and cataracts... Men who take tamoxifen may experience headaches, nausea and/or vomiting, skin rash, impotence, or a decrease in sexual interest.

[dec11]

nolva and clomid definitely do have real side effects. in the world of cancer treatments, tamoxifen (Nolva) is regarded as incredibly harsh and powerful, but still these sides are preferable to cancer... besides the liver toxicity, this is taken directly from Cancer.gov

yeah pal, and have you ever read the back of a prescription label where some state that a side effect of the medicine may be what you have in the first place. goverment info is bullshit, they have to cover every single thing incase they are wrong, your kinda naive in your response

[Quo]

yeah pal, and have you ever read the back of a prescription label where some state that a side effect of the medicine may be what you have in the first place. goverment info is bullshit, they have to cover every single thing incase they are wrong, your kinda naive in your response

Pot calling the kettle black, here.

Of course these drugs have side effects. Nolvadex is CHEMOTHERAPY for chrissake. To say you can just throw these things in your body without worrying about it or that government info is always "bullshit" is naive at best.

Nolva definitely gives me horrendous headaches.

[dec11]

Pot calling the kettle black, here.

Of course these drugs have side effects. Nolvadex is CHEMOTHERAPY for chrissake. To say you can just throw these things in your body without worrying about it or that government info is always "bullshit" is naive at best.

Nolva definitely gives me horrendous headaches.

oh right and i suppose you follow the protein consumption chart also? and it isnt chemo, its an anti estro, i think you'll find chemo drugs are more extreme

[Quo]

oh right and i suppose you follow the protein consumption chart also? and it isnt chemo, its an anti estro, i think you'll find chemo drugs are more extreme

Ok, we're splitting hairs, here. No, nolvadex is not technically a chemo drug, but it is used in the treatment of cancer, and it is a pretty heavy duty chemical.

I don't want to argue all day about Nolvadex. My point is that I think the assumption amongst some AAS users that these drugs are as harmless as Flintstone vitamins is really dangerous. They're not harmless, there are side effects, and we do need to be careful. That's all I am saying.

And, like I said, Nolva does give me miserable headaches. And Clomid blurs my vision. So I know there are side effects and I don't wanna use these things any more than I have to.

[dec11]

Ok, we're splitting hairs, here. No, nolvadex is not technically a chemo drug, but it is used in the treatment of cancer, and it is a pretty heavy duty chemical.

I don't want to argue all day about Nolvadex. My point is that I think the assumption amongst some AAS users that these drugs are as harmless as Flintstone vitamins is really dangerous. They're not harmless, there are side effects, and we do need to be careful. That's all I am saying.

And, like I said, Nolva does give me miserable headaches. And Clomid blurs my vision. So I know there are side effects and I don't wanna use these things any more than I have to.

yeah but thts you, i dont have a single side frm em and none of my training partners do either, of course i dont take drug use lightly but theres alot of scaremongering about, ie the media and govermental 'warnings'