My balls WTF is going on I'm freaking out

[Quo]

oh right and i suppose you follow the protein consumption chart also? and it isnt chemo, its an anti estro, i think you'll find chemo drugs are more extreme

Ok, we're splitting hairs, here. No, nolvadex is not technically a chemo drug, but it is used in the treatment of cancer, and it is a pretty heavy duty chemical.

I don't want to argue all day about Nolvadex. My point is that I think the assumption amongst some AAS users that these drugs are as harmless as Flintstone vitamins is really dangerous. They're not harmless, there are side effects, and we do need to be careful. That's all I am saying.

And, like I said, Nolva does give me miserable headaches. And Clomid blurs my vision. So I know there are side effects and I don't wanna use these things any more than I have to.

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Ok, we're splitting hairs, here. No, nolvadex is not technically a chemo drug, but it is used in the treatment of cancer, and it is a pretty heavy duty chemical.

I don't want to argue all day about Nolvadex. My point is that I think the assumption amongst some AAS users that these drugs are as harmless as Flintstone vitamins is really dangerous. They're not harmless, there are side effects, and we do need to be careful. That's all I am saying.

And, like I said, Nolva does give me miserable headaches. And Clomid blurs my vision. So I know there are side effects and I don't wanna use these things any more than I have to.

yeah but thts you, i dont have a single side frm em and none of my training partners do either, of course i dont take drug use lightly but theres alot of scaremongering about, ie the media and govermental 'warnings'

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yeah but thts you, i dont have a single side frm em and none of my training partners do either, of course i dont take drug use lightly but theres alot of scaremongering about, ie the media and govermental 'warnings'

Ok, Declan. I think we're gonna go around in circles here.

Perhaps the government is guilty of "scaremongering". I don't agree with that opinion, but, we'll assume for a moment that they are. It doesn't mean that you (or anyone else) should swing the pendulum in the other, equally false and dangerous direction by claiming that there are no side effects and everyone should just not worry.

And, no, the side effects are not "just me". Both of these are well-known and common side effects of Nolva and Clomid that many people experience. And what unknown things could it be doing inside your body?

[dec11]

Ok, Declan. I think we're gonna go around in circles here.

Perhaps the government is guilty of "scaremongering". I don't agree with that opinion, but, we'll assume for a moment that they are. It doesn't mean that you (or anyone else) should swing the pendulum in the other, equally false and dangerous direction by claiming that there are no side effects and everyone should just not worry.
And, no, the side effects are not "just me". Both of these are well-known and common side effects of Nolva and Clomid that many people experience. And what unknown things could it be doing inside your body?

didnt once state that. just because you have sides doesnt mean its the worse thing since the plague