considering first cycle ever...test prop

[Mooseman33]

i love how u guys want advice on ur own terms cause u no you will hear something that u dont want to accept.

truth is u are to young, and skinny. please dont give me the shit about ur height preventing u from gaining weight.
go to the diet section, them guys are the best, give their advice and diet a try for 30-60 days. you will be amazed at how much things change when u eat to grow....
and i know ur going to say u are doing that, well they will show u that u are not..

trust me man, steroids are not the answer for you yet, learn how to grow the correct way, then add the steroids a couple years down the road....

[sixey]

i love how u guys want advice on ur own terms cause u no you will hear something that u dont want to accept.

truth is u are to young, and skinny. please dont give me the shit about ur height preventing u from gaining weight.
go to the diet section, them guys are the best, give their advice and diet a try for 30-60 days. you will be amazed at how much things change when u eat to grow....
and i know ur going to say u are doing that, well they will show u that u are not..

trust me man, steroids are not the answer for you yet, learn how to grow the correct way, then add the steroids a couple years down the road....

i appreciate the advice. but diet is not going to speed up muscle gain. i have no interest in gaining 20lbs of weight when only 6 lbs of that is actual muscle. for a natural trainee with moderate exeperience i think the upper limit is something like 2lbs a month if your doing everything perfect. without sounding like the typical meathead/douchebag, i know some guys and have seen quite a few forum members who have done cycles (most were more intense cycles) and came out of them perfectly fine with amazing gains. sorry if i sound kind of confrontational

[JasonT]

i appreciate the advice. but diet is not going to speed up muscle gain.

lolwut?

[sixey]

sound stupid, not confrontational...

diet will not speed up muscle gain?..
son you have way to much to learn..

i wish you the best in whatever choices you make....im done here.

lolwut?

if your eating sufficient calories over maitenance, generally 500-700+, your going to gain muscle. eating 1500 calories over and gaining weight faster is not going to equate to more muscle gain. i hope you guys understand that eating more than necessary is not going to magically speed up muscle gains. unless you intend on getting fat, eating an excess WITHIN REASON is the best way to ensure muscle gain.

hence the reason to cylce in the first place. your body can only synthesize so much muscle in so much time, overkill on food or training is not going to speed up a natural process

[JasonT]

if your eating sufficient calories over maitenance, generally 500-700+, your going to gain muscle. eating 1500 calories over and gaining weight faster is not going to equate to more muscle gain. i hope you guys understand that eating more than necessary is not going to magically speed up muscle gains. unless you intend on getting fat, eating an excess WITHIN REASON is the best way to ensure muscle gain.

hence the reason to cylce in the first place. your body can only synthesize so much muscle in so much time, overkill on food or training is not going to speed up a natural process

Have you approached your genetic limit or are you looking for a shortcut?

[sixey]

Have you approached your genetic limit or are you looking for a shortcut?

i dont think i have reached my full potential yet. and if you want to put it that way then yes, i am looking for a way to gain muscle just a bit quicker than continuing all natural.

[JasonT]

i dont think i have reached my full potential yet. and if you want to put it that way then yes, i am looking for a way to gain muscle just a bit quicker than continuing all natural.

Whatever you do is obviously up to you, but the better of a base you build, the more advantageous aas will be for you. Also, your tendons will be stronger and you will be less injury prone. You want to get the most out of what you take, especially considering the different toxicities.