I don't think you should imply that from his response, at all, D-D.

Once a guy gets to be habitually out of shape and has age and body chemistry working against him it's a very difficult road to hoe in order to get back to a level of fitness and good health. I've been in top physical condition several times in my life, and I've been obese and unhealthy. Getting back on the "healthy" track becomes exponentially more difficult as most guys cross that "40" land mark. I used to be able to just get back in the gym, ratchet up the intensity, eat healthier, and in two months I'd be ready to kick ass and chew bubble gum. Not so these days.

Doing TRT while neglecting other important health factors and behaviors is a waste of time. Without better nutrition and a commitment to consistent work outs no one on TRT will ever really get their fitness level back. But that doesn't mean someone has to struggle for years trying to get their health back without the assistance of a good doc because they put some false ceiling on their body fat % they needed to be at before starting TRT.

One thing I think some of the experienced guys in the body building world struggle with is understanding the difference between why old has-beens like me want to use test or run a cycle and why men still in their prime want to cycle. Guys in their prime are looking for gains in one way or another. Old ****ers like me just want to feel better again so we can resume a normal, healthy lifestyle. For many of us TRT is a means to help get there.