test-e, dbol, deca?

[Gaspari1255]

1.) you're too small for gear
2.) your diet is not on point
3.) Test/Deca/Dbol should be used for a second or third time user, not FIRST.
4.) 8 week cycle of test/deca is pointless..10-12 range makes more sense.
5.) you're too young for gear

[RoadToRecovery]

1.) you're too small for gear

Well this is a first. Why is he "too small"?

2.) your diet is not on point

How do you know?

3.) Test/Deca/Dbol should be used for a second or third time user, not FIRST.

Why is that?

4.) 8 week cycle of test/deca is pointless..10-12 range makes more sense.

Why?

5.) you're too young for gear

Hes 20, how does that make him too young?

[Gaspari1255]

Well this is a first. Why is he "too small"?

How do you know?


Why is that?


Why?



Hes 20, how does that make him too young?

it has been PROVEN that taken AAS before the age of 21 is a bad idea because of the natural potenital he has of gaining for his age with proper diet. In his first post, he explained how he attempted eating 8000 calories for 4 weeks. Either, he was NOT eating quality foods or he was NOT eating 8000 calories. The macros he posted do not equal any where close to 8000. Why do I know this? Because, I, myself have to eat pretty damn close to 8000 calories while I am bulking to make gains. Ohhh okay lets argue the cycle now----there is no reason why deca should be included in a first cycle. Test E or C at 500mg a week for 10 or 12 weeks will make just about anyone BLOW UP. Test usually doesnt kick in fully till week 5, so running it for 8 weeks only gives him just about 3 weeks to make gains, which is not intelligent. And by "he's too small", with those stats and especially height, he should be able to put on a good 15lbs with an immaculate diet and balls to the wall training in the gym.....

To the op- sorry if I cam off a bit harsh, I am just being very realisitc.

To RTR- Please stop defending him when 99% of the people on this forum are going to agree with me that he should delay his first cycle for another year or two.

[RoadToRecovery]

it has been PROVEN that taken AAS before the age of 21 is a bad idea because of the natural potenital he has of gaining for his age with proper diet.

It has been PROVEN has it? Show me.

In his first post, he explained how he attempted eating 8000 calories for 4 weeks.

Right, and then he clarified what his diet was NOW with his macronutrient plan.

Either, he was NOT eating quality foods or he was NOT eating 8000 calories. The macros he posted do not equal any where close to 8000.

No kidding.

Why do I know this? Because, I, myself have to eat pretty damn close to 8000 calories while I am bulking to make gains.

And this is how you know that his macros doesnt equal 8k kcal? Wow. Well if you did basic math and knew what 1g of each macro equated to, then you could eat 3000 kcal/day and still know how many calories he is eating. That macronutrient plan is 4150kcal a day. If you need 8000kcal to make gains than you must weigh almost 300lbs lean.

Ohhh okay lets argue the cycle now----there is no reason why deca should be included in a first cycle. Test E or C at 500mg a week for 10 or 12 weeks will make just about anyone BLOW UP.

What would you recommend then? 200mg of test E a week? What ever happened to 2-3mg of test per lbs of body weight?

Test usually doesnt kick in fully till week 5, so running it for 8 weeks only gives him just about 3 weeks to make gains, which is not intelligent.

Really? So if you take a cycle for 8 weeks you only see gains for 3 weeks? And then what happens?

And by "he's too small", with those stats and especially height, he should be able to put on a good 15lbs with an immaculate diet and balls to the wall training in the gym.....

Well this is the only thing that you have said that actually makes any sense.

To the op- sorry if I cam off a bit harsh, I am just being very realisitc.

To RTR- Please stop defending him when 99% of the people on this forum are going to agree with me that he should delay his first cycle for another year or two.

Where did I defend anyone? I simply asked you to explain your claims in any case you failed to do so. Im waiting.

[Gaspari1255]

It has been PROVEN has it? Show me.


Right, and then he clarified what his diet was NOW with his macronutrient plan.


No kidding.



And this is how you know that his macros doesnt equal 8k kcal? Wow. Well if you did basic math and knew what 1g of each macro equated to, then you could eat 3000 kcal/day and still know how many calories he is eating. That macronutrient plan is 4150kcal a day. If you need 8000kcal to make gains than you must weigh almost 300lbs lean.



What would you recommend then? 200mg of test E a week? What ever happened to 2-3mg of test per lbs of body weight?



Really? So if you take a cycle for 8 weeks you only see gains for 3 weeks? And then what happens?


Well this is the only thing that you have said that actually makes any sense.



Where did I defend anyone? I simply asked you to explain your claims in any case you failed to do so. Im waiting.

You're just a dickhead. plain and simple. Coming on here and trying to show me whose boss...sorry buddy but I don't think you are calling out a "parrot." Everything I stated makes perfect sense and you're just trying to look like some heroic guy with words of wisdom....I am tempted to make a poll:



Whats a better first cycle: Test/Deca/Dbol vs. Test only???
Is it better to run Test E at 8 or 10 weeks???


...Please feel free to browse some of my previous posts since I am such a "parrot."

.....Just maybe I am advising this kid not to cycle so early because Imade the same mistake and I am now a TRT patient at 22 years old...but hey if you think that is a good thing, then let him cycle away.

[RoadToRecovery]

You're just a dickhead. plain and simple. Coming on here and trying to show me whose boss...sorry buddy but I don't think you are calling out a "parrot." Everything I stated makes perfect sense and you're just trying to look like some heroic guy with words of wisdom....I am tempted to make a poll:



Whats a better first cycle: Test/Deca/Dbol vs. Test only???
Is it better to run Test E at 8 or 10 weeks???


...Please feel free to browse some of my previous posts since I am such a "parrot."

.....Just maybe I am advising this kid not to cycle so early because Imade the same mistake and I am now a TRT patient at 22 years old...but hey if you think that is a good thing, then let him cycle away.

Your a parrot. Plain and simple. You are another member on this board that give "Just because" answers because its a popular response. Make a poll, then ask why. I guarantee the majority wont have a solid answer just like you.

Im a dickhead because I asked why. You like many people read too deeply into things that are said. When did I at all say he was right? You came on here and made a very vague post in which you gave no constructive advice and made assumptions based on nothing.

1.) you're too small for gear
2.) your diet is not on point
3.) Test/Deca/Dbol should be used for a second or third time user, not FIRST.
4.) 8 week cycle of test/deca is pointless..10-12 range makes more sense.
5.) you're too young for gear

Would you like to enlighten us as to why an 8 week cycle is pointless?
Why hes too young?

Or is your answer simply, "because everyone will agree with me".

I didnt tell you that you were wrong. I questioned your approach, and your reasoning. If you dont like it - build a bridge... and get over it.

[Gaspari1255]

Your a parrot. Plain and simple. You are another member on this board that give "Just because" answers because its a popular response. Make a poll, then ask why. I guarantee the majority wont have a solid answer just like you.

Im a dickhead because I asked why. You like many people read too deeply into things that are said. When did I at all say he was right? You came on here and made a very vague post in which you gave no constructive advice and made assumptions based on nothing.


Would you like to enlighten us as to why an 8 week cycle is pointless?
Why hes too young?

Or is your answer simply, "because everyone will agree with me".

I didnt tell you that you were wrong. I questioned your approach, and your reasoning. If you dont like it - build a bridge... and get over it.

Running an 8 week cycle of Test E is STUPID. You know it is, you cannot sit here and argue with me that the gains of an 8 week Test cycle are equal to the gains of a 12 week test cycle. From personal experience, Test E doesn't really kick in fully until week 5 for me. Why would he give himself only 3 weeks to make massive gains when he could gave 5-7 weeks to make massive gains. Prop, NPP, Tren Ace WOULD make sense for 8 weeks, being they kick in much faster. However, I am in udder disbelief that you are going to sit here and argue that 8 weeks of Test E is a fvcking phenomenal idea for a first cycle.

[bigZ244]

should be able to put on a good 15lbs with an immaculate diet and balls to the wall training in the gym

I have put on about 45-50 pounds over the past 2 years and have stopped and can not seem to get out of a "platue"

[gbrice75]

1.) you're too small for gear
2.) your diet is not on point
3.) Test/Deca/Dbol should be used for a second or third time user, not FIRST.
4.) 8 week cycle of test/deca is pointless..10-12 range makes more sense.
5.) you're too young for gear

I agree with all points except the first; the notion that you 'have' to have X amount of muscle prior to using AAS is asinine IMO. Sure, it's nice to see people take it as far as they can naturally before considering AAS, but I don't see that as being a requirement. Regarding the other points:

Clearly, the diet isn't on point, especially if you have taken in 8000 calories/day and didn't gain (quality?) weight. I saw what you were eating - all that cream... what do you think that's going to do for you?

As a first time user, that is too advanced of a stack and just about everyone here will agree with that. At least drop the Deca.

8 weeks is too short for test e as mentioned earlier; for an 8 week cycle you'll want test with a faster ether.

Last point is the most important - you are simply too young to consider using AAS right now. You are not even developed 100% at this point - do yourself a favor and wait a few years. Honestly, you do not need AAS. You need to hightail it over to the diet section, post up your diet and let people tweak it for you and get you eating for gains. Post up your routine while you're at it.

[RoadToRecovery]

8 weeks is too short for test e as mentioned earlier; for an 8 week cycle you'll want test with a faster ether.

This I have to question gbrice - I dont have a rebuttal as to this being wrong or right - but what is your reasoning behind this? I have seen some articles dedicated to 8 week only cycles. I think Ronnie Rowland has an article on here about an 8 week cycle as well.

[gbrice75]

This I have to question gbrice - I dont have a rebuttal as to this being wrong or right - but what is your reasoning behind this? I have seen some articles dedicated to 8 week only cycles. I think Ronnie Rowland has an article on here about an 8 week cycle as well.

RTR - you know I like to be questioned/challenged! I don't expect special treatment from you just because we have a 'kinship'! lol

Are you certain that the Ronnie Rowland article was regarding Test Enanthate? The Enanthate Ether is very slow release (the slowest?) and won't start affecting the user until around week 3 or 4. It's not that an 8 week cycle would be useless; something is better than nothing. I just don't believe it's optimal, which is why most test e cycles are typically 12 week runs. For an 8 week cycle, i'd look into test propionate instead.

[RoadToRecovery]

RTR - you know I like to be questioned/challenged! I don't expect special treatment from you just because we have a 'kinship'! lol

Are you certain that the Ronnie Rowland article was regarding Test Enanthate? The Enanthate Ether is very slow release (the slowest?) and won't start affecting the user until around week 3 or 4. It's not that an 8 week cycle would be useless; something is better than nothing. I just don't believe it's optimal, which is why most test e cycles are typically 12 week runs. For an 8 week cycle, i'd look into test propionate instead.

Feel free to ask me any questions concerning steroid cycles, etc in this thread. I see a lot of the same old questions being asked and I want to hand out some sound advise for those wanting to know what I have found to work best. It's really quite simple. KEEP ANABOLIC STEROID CYCLES/PRO-HORMONE CYCLES AT 8 WEEKS!

Taken from the second paragraph of http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=402776

[gbrice75]

Taken from the second paragraph of http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=402776

In all fairness, I skimmed through the article and didn't read it in detail, but it sounds like this 8 week cycle is part of a bigger/overall program concerning 'blast' routines. I have heard of them but am not familiar enough to even comment. It sounds like the article is talking about doing an 8 week cycle and then bridging until the next 'short' cycle. I could be completely wrong; this is just what I gathered at a glance.

If the OP was looking to do something like this, then perhaps an 8 week cycle would work well. I believe the traditional test cycle is generally 12-15 weeks in length. Again, this is just based on my own research and popular opinion.

[bigZ244]

perhaps an 8 week cycle would work well. I believe the traditional test cycle is generally 12-15 weeks in length. Again, this is just based on my own research and popular opinion.

i want to clear this up, test is just about as good as some other steroids but without as many negative side effects?

[Hard.On]

1.) you're too small for gear
2.) your diet is not on point
3.) Test/Deca/Dbol should be used for a second or third time user, not FIRST.
4.) 8 week cycle of test/deca is pointless..10-12 range makes more sense.
5.) you're too young for gear

****** instead of fighting with R2R this would have been easier and more informative for the op and those viewing.

1. You can get bigger with a better diet. No need for AAS
2. Your diet needs work because if it was as good as you claim it is then you would have gained more natural weight by now.
3. Test is a good first cycle to see how your body reacts. AAS is a marathon not a sprint.
4. Deca take long to kick in and your not going to get the full effect of it with only a 8 week cycle.
5. Read marcus sticky with endocrine cycle info, Im not retyping it


Instead of that, This whole thread has been wasted and funny enough the OP is still kicking around waiting for advice on what he should do.