You'll want to read this!

[BJJ]

I am currently running a testosterone suspension cycle (60 mg ed, 2/3 pins) with the addition of oxandrolone (70 mg ed).
Also, from the beginning I used mesterolone starting from 75 up to 150 mg ed.
Last week, on the same day I reached 90 mg ed of test susp and 150 mg ed of mest, I started to feel a strong tiredness, a severe lethargy which forced me not to work-out for a week almost.
I was waiting for my BW results and once I saw my estradiol was @ 150 (20-47) and my PRL @ 15 (2-13), I thought my lack of energy was due to the high amount of estrogens accumulated, even because I never took any AI or SERM till that day.
So, on the same day I started to take exemestane @ 25 mg ed and cabergoline first @ 0.25 mg ed then up to 0.5 mg ed. I also reduced the test susp to 60 mg ed and the mest to 100 mg ed.
The result after a week was nothing better than before.
So, I thought about getting rid of mesterolone, completely. I felt better during the day and slept better the following night and the tiredness disappeared.

So, since I am about to start week 8 of this cycle but have also put my hands on HGH, I am contemplating to keep going on with this cycle as per your suggestion on this thread with a deload and then a reload, adding of course somatropin to the aas.

Before writing down a possible cycle continuation, I would like to know from your experience if it is normal what happened to me in regard of mesterolone or if it happened because I used a testosterone without an ester on my very first cycle.

Thank you for your expertise, much appreciate it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

i am currently running a testosterone suspension cycle (60 mg ed, 2/3 pins) with the addition of oxandrolone (70 mg ed).
Also, from the beginning i used mesterolone starting from 75 up to 150 mg ed.
Last week, on the same day i reached 90 mg ed of test susp and 150 mg ed of mest, i started to feel a strong tiredness, a severe lethargy which forced me not to work-out for a week almost.
I was waiting for my bw results and once i saw my estradiol was @ 150 (20-47) and my prl @ 15 (2-13), i thought my lack of energy was due to the high amount of estrogens accumulated, even because i never took any ai or serm till that day.
So, on the same day i started to take exemestane @ 25 mg ed and cabergoline first @ 0.25 mg ed then up to 0.5 mg ed. I also reduced the test susp to 60 mg ed and the mest to 100 mg ed.
The result after a week was nothing better than before. it's usually low estrogen not moderate increases that cause fatique. It's called steroid lethargy!so, i thought about getting rid of mesterolone, completely. I felt better during the day and slept better the following night and the tiredness disappeared. if that be the case then it's possible that the high dose off proviron (mesterolone) was not agreeing with you! 50 mgs ed would have probably be enough with the proviron.

so, since i am about to start week 8 of this cycle but have also put my hands on hgh, i am contemplating to keep going on with this cycle as per your suggestion on this thread with a deload and then a reload, adding of course somatropin to the aas. keep gh at the same dosages throughout both the reload and deload.

before writing down a possible cycle continuation, i would like to know from your experience if it is normal what happened to me in regard of mesterolone or if it happened because i used a testosterone without an ester on my very first cycle. i think you used a bit too much proviron and more so the esterless testosterone hits so hard it can cause flu like symptoms for some. I am not a huge fan of esterless test (especially prop) because it makes me feel very lethargic.
thank you for your expertise, much appreciate it.

above

[BJJ]

above

Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge.

Also, regarding my usual hormonal panel, is there anything YOU would have included that I instead missed?

GASTRIN: 32 pg/ml [28-125]
MELATONIN: 55 pg/ml [20 - 85]
C-PEPTIDE: 1,3 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]
INSULIN: 3,37 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]
GLUCAGON: 56 pg/ml [40-130]
ACTH: 21 pg/dl [till 50]
CORTISOL: 16,64 mcg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]_________________________________________12,45
FT3: 3,47 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]_________________________________________________?
FT4: 1,27 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ _1,62
MSH: 10,5 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]
HTG: 9,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]
TBG: 21 mcg/ml [15 - 32]
TSH: 4,79 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]_____________________________________________2,48
FSH: 4,19 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_____________________________________________0,55
LH: 3,88 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_______________________________________________0,15
PREGNENOLONE: 161 ng/ml [10 - 230]
ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,89 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]
ALDOSTERONE: 155 pg/ml [10 - 160]
DHEA: 7,9 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]
DHEAS: 233 mcg/dl [106 - 464]
DHT: 625 pg/ml [250 - 990]________________________________________________1250
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,1 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]_________________________________44,7
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 15 pg/ml [8 - 47]_____________________________________219,68
SHBG: 37 nmoli/l [13 - 71]_________________________________________________6
ESTRONE: 48 pg/ml [40 - 60]
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 34 pg/ml [<20 - 47]____________________________________150
ESTRIOL: 6 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]
PROGESTERONE: 0,98 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]____________________________________1,41
PRL: 3,4 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]______________________________________________15,12
IGF-1: 135 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________________159
HGH: 0,3 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge.

Also, regarding my usual hormonal panel, is there anything YOU would have included that I instead missed?

GASTRIN: 32 pg/ml [28-125]
MELATONIN: 55 pg/ml [20 - 85]
C-PEPTIDE: 1,3 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]
INSULIN: 3,37 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]
GLUCAGON: 56 pg/ml [40-130]
ACTH: 21 pg/dl [till 50]
CORTISOL: 16,64 mcg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]_________________________________________12,45
FT3: 3,47 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]_________________________________________________?
FT4: 1,27 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ _1,62
MSH: 10,5 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]
HTG: 9,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]
TBG: 21 mcg/ml [15 - 32]
TSH: 4,79 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]_____________________________________________2,48
FSH: 4,19 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_____________________________________________0,55
LH: 3,88 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_______________________________________________0,15
PREGNENOLONE: 161 ng/ml [10 - 230]
ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,89 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]
ALDOSTERONE: 155 pg/ml [10 - 160]
DHEA: 7,9 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]
DHEAS: 233 mcg/dl [106 - 464]
DHT: 625 pg/ml [250 - 990]________________________________________________1250
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,1 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]_________________________________44,7
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 15 pg/ml [8 - 47]_____________________________________219,68
SHBG: 37 nmoli/l [13 - 71]_________________________________________________6
ESTRONE: 48 pg/ml [40 - 60]
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 34 pg/ml [<20 - 47]____________________________________150
ESTRIOL: 6 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]
PROGESTERONE: 0,98 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]____________________________________1,41
PRL: 3,4 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]______________________________________________15,12
IGF-1: 135 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________________159
HGH: 0,3 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]

Did they check your hemocrit levels? That's the biggie!

[BJJ]

Did they check your hemocrit levels? That's the biggie!

Well, this is what I have done:
No HCT or PCV check but a cross check between MCV and RDW.
Not enough in your opinion?

The following results after:

38 Days of Testosterone Suspension averaged at 73,94 mg ed.
38 Days of Mesterolone averaged at 88,81 mg ed.
17 Days of Oxandrolone averaged at 68,82 mg ed.

Never used any AI or SERM so far.
?: awaiting results

__________________________________________________ _________________Day 38

BLOOD
ERYTHROCYTES: 5,08 mil/mmc [4 - 5,5]______________________________________4,65
LEUCOCYTES: 7,6 mila/mmc [4 - 9]__________________________________________14,4
- NE: 4,2 / 55,9 % [2 - 6 / 37 - 80]
- LY: 2,5 / 35 % [0,6 - 36 / 10 - 50]
- MO: 0,7 / 8,7 % [0 - 0,9 / 0 - 12]
- EO: 0,3 / 2,5 % [0 - 7 / 0 - 7]
- BA: 0 / 0,6 % [0 - 0,2 / 0 - 2,5]
HEMOGLOBIN: 15,1 gr/dl [14 - 18]___________________________________________13,2
HEMATOCRIT: 44,2 % [42 - 52]_____________________________________________39,8
MCV: 87 femtol [82 - 98]__________________________________________________85,6
MCH: 29,7 picogr. [27 - 31]________________________________________________28,4
MCHC: 34,2 gr/dl [32 - 36]_________________________________________________33,2
RDW: 13,7 % [11,6 - 16]
GRAN-NEUTROPHILS: 65,7 % [37 -80]________________________________________76,4
GRAN-EOSINOPHILS: 2,8 % [0,0 - 7]_________________________________________0,5
GRAN-BASOPHILS: 0,9 % [0,0 - 2,5]_________________________________________0,8
LYMPHOCYTES: 23,4 % [10 - 50]____________________________________________16
MONOCYTES: 7,2 % [0,0 - 12]______________________________________________6,3
PLATELETS: 150000 /mmc [150000 - 400000]_________________________________362000
PCT: 0,13 % [0,1 - 1]
MPV: 7,5 fl [5 - 10]
PDW: 17,5 % [12 - 18]

HEART, KIDNEYS, LIVER, PANCREAS & PROSTATE
GLYCEMIA (basal): 91 mg/dl [70 - 110]

QUICK PROTHROMBIN TIME: 13,7 s
PROTHROMBIN ACTIVITY: 71 % [70-130]
INR: 1,2
APTT: 28 s
FIBRINOGEN: 190 mg/dl [180 - 350]
HOMOCYSTEINE: 11 mcmoli/l [6 - 15]
MYOGLOBIN: 27 ng/ml [10 - 46]

AZOTEMIA: 62 mg/dl [15-40]______________________________________________46
CREATININE: 1,1 mg/dl [0,8 - 1,3]__________________________________________1,2
HYPERURICEMIA: 6 mg/dl [3,5 - 7,2]

CHOLESTEROL TTL: 156 mg/dl [140 - 220]___________________________________142
CHOLESTEROL VLDL: 35 mg/dl [20 - 40]
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 103 mg/dl [< 150]_______________________________________130
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 35 mg/dl [> 40]_________________________________________12
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,5 [till 5]________________________________________________11,8
APO A1: 190 mg/dl [115 - 220]
APO B: 79 mg/dl [55 - 125]
RATIO B/A1 APO: 0,41 [0,35 - 1]
TRIGLYCERIDES: 90 mg/dl [< 150]

GAMMA (YGT): 32 u/ltr [15 - 85]___________________________________________27
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE: 96 u/ltr [50 - 136]_________________________________57
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1 mg/dl [0,2-1]
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,25 mg/dl [0,05 - 0,3]
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 0,67 mg/dl [till 0,7]
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 26 u/ltr [15 - 37]__________________________________63
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 62 u/ltr [30 - 65]__________________________________104
FERRITIN: 125 ng/ml [24 - 336]

LIPASE: 324 u/ltr [114 - 284]______________________________________________234
AMYLASE: 69 u/ltr [25 - 115]______________________________________________66

LDH: 170 u/ltr [100 - 190]
CPK MB: 230 u/ltr [35 - 232]
CK NAK: 160 u/l [till 167]
PROTIDES TTL: 7,5 gr/dl [6,4 - 8,2]
ALBUMIN: 60 % [51 - 63,3]
ALFA 1: 3 % [2,2 - 4,3]
ALFA 2: 10 % [9,5 - 14]
BETA: 11 % [10-14,5]
GAMMA: 19 % [12 - 20]
A/G RATIO: 1,45 [1,0 - 1,7]

PSA: 0,6 ng/ml [till 4]__________________________________________________ ___1,23
PSA FREE: 0,23
PSA FREE/TTL: 0,38 [>0,15]
PAP: 1,3 ng/ml [till 3,5]__________________________________________________ _1,5

IGG: 1455 mg/dl [681 - 1648]
IGA: 309 mg/dl [87 - 474]
IGD: 55 u/ml [till 100]
IGM: 101 mg/dl [48 - 312]
IGE (prist): 39,07 iu/ml [1,31 - 165,3]

INFECTIVITY & ALLERGOLOGY
HIV-Ab (1+2): 0,15 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]
HCV-Ab: 0,12 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]
HBS-Ag: 0,35 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]
HAV-Ab (IgT): >85 react miu/ml [<35]
HAV-Ab (IgM): 0,07 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]
TAS: 111 ui/ml [0 - 166]
VDRL: negative [negative]
CRP: 2 mg/dl [till 5]
REUMA TEST: <20 iu/ml [<20]
ESR: 6 mm/h [till 15]
LYSOZYME: 9 picog/ml [4 - 13]
ACE: 10 mcg/l [6 - 12]

RAST Egg: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Yolk: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Crayfish: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Yeast: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Pork: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Fish Mix: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Olea Europaea Pollen: 0,1 [<0,3]

VITAMINS & ELECTROLYTES
VITAMIN A: 630 mcg/l [300-650]
VITAMIN E: 15,6 mg/ltr [5 - 20]
VITAMIN C: 1,1 mg/ml [0,5-1,5]
VITAMIN B12: 697 pg/ml [179 - 1162]
VITAMIN D3: 42 ng/ml [10-45]
VITAMIN H: 85 ng/ml [70-100]
VITAMIN K: 25 mcg/ml [15-30]
VITAMIN PP: 0,7 mg/ml [0,5-0,8]

SODIUM: 143 meq/l [136 - 145]
POTASSIUM: 4,5 meq/l [3,5 - 5,1]
CALCIUM: 9,4 mg/dl [8,5 - 10,1]
MAGNESIUM: 2,1 mg/dl [1,8 - 2,4]
PHOSPHORUS: 3,8 mg/dl [2,7 - 4,5]
IRON: 147 mcg/dl [35 - 150]
ZINC: 101 mcg/dl [80 - 125]
CHLORINE: 105 meq/l [98 - 107]
COPPER: 111 ku/l [76 - 153]

HORMONAL
GASTRIN: 32 pg/ml [28-125]
MELATONIN: 55 pg/ml [20 - 85]
C-PEPTIDE: 1,3 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]
INSULIN: 3,37 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]
GLUCAGON: 56 pg/ml [40-130]
ACTH: 21 pg/dl [till 50]
CORTISOL: 16,64 mcg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]________________________________________12,45
FT3: 3,47 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]________________________________________________3,95
FT4: 1,27 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________1,62
MSH: 10,5 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]
HTG: 9,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]
TBG: 21 mcg/ml [15 - 32]
TSH: 4,79 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]_____________________________________________2,48
FSH: 4,19 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_____________________________________________0,55
LH: 3,88 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_______________________________________________0,15
PREGNENOLONE: 161 ng/ml [10 - 230]
ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,89 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]
ALDOSTERONE: 155 pg/ml [10 - 160]
DHEA: 7,9 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]
DHEAS: 233 mcg/dl [106 - 464]
DHT: 625 pg/ml [250 - 990]________________________________________________1250
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,1 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]_________________________________44,7
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 15 pg/ml [8 - 47]_____________________________________219,68
SHBG: 37 nmoli/l [13 - 71]_________________________________________________6
ESTRONE: 48 pg/ml [40 - 60]
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 34 pg/ml [<20 - 47]____________________________________150
ESTRIOL: 6 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]
PROGESTERONE: 0,98 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]____________________________________1,41
PRL: 3,4 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]______________________________________________15,12
IGF-1: 135 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________________159
HGH: 0,3 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]

URINE
COLOUR: straw-coloured
APPEARANCE: limpid [limpid]
PH REACTION: 5,7 [5 - 6,5]
SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1021 [1015 - 1028]
PROTEINS: none mg/dl [0,0 - 10]
HEMOGLOBIN: none [none]
GLUCOSE: none gr/litre [0,0 - 0,2]
KETONE BODIES: none [none]
UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl [0,0 - 0,2]
BILIARY PIGMENTS: none [none]
NITRITE: none [none]

FAECES
SHAPE: homogeneous [homogeneous]
CONSISTENCY: poltacea[/COLOR] [poltacea]
COLOUR: brown [brown]
ODOUR: sui generis [sui generis]
MUCUS: absent [absent]
BLOOD: absent [absent]
PH REACTION: 7
PARASITOLOGICAL: negative [negative]
SALMONELLA: negative [negative]
HELICOBACTER PYLORI: negative [negative]
GIARDIASIS: negative [negative]

SPERM
VOLUME: 2,9 ml [>= 2]__________________________________________________ __?
PH: 7,9 [7,2-8]__________________________________________________ ________?
APPEARANCE: own__________________________________________________ _____?
VISCOSITY: within limits [within limits]______________________________________?
FLUIDIFICATION 45': physiologic [physiologic]________________________________?
SPERMATOZOON CONCENTRATION: 90.000.000 /ml [>= 20.000.000]______________?
EJACULATE SPERMATOZOON COUNT: 249.900.000 [>= 40.000.000]______________?
2ND HOUR MOTILITY: 59 % [>= 50 %]_______________________________________?
TYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 36 % [>= 35 %]______________________?
ATYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 70 %______________________________?
LEUCOCYTE: 300.000 /ml [<= 1.000.000]____________________________________?
ERYTHROCYTE: absent [absent/rare]_______________________________________?
GERMINAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]________________________________________?
EPITHELIAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]_______________________________________?
SPERMAGGLUTINATION ZONES: rare [absent/rare]_____________________________?

BLOOD PRESSURE
__________________________________Day 1__________Day 8__________Day 15__________Day 22__________Day 29__________Day 36__________Day 43
SYS (mmHg)___________________________119____________119____________123____________119_____________128____________131_____________105
DIA (mmHg)____________________________60_____________50_____________52_____________50______________56_____________51______________42
BPM__________________________________68_____________74_____________68_____________64______________67_____________76______________73

[Jumbo18]

Hello Ronnie,

I just want to say you look fantastic man, great physique and i've gone through this whole thread last night to gain more knowledge from you so I thank you very much. I have a few questions though regarding slingshot training and estrogen levels.

I just finished a 10 week cycle of test enanthate 400mg/week today was my last shot. I am on hrt supplementing with hcg to try preserve my fertility. I had great gains but like any other I don't like the fact that I need to take 3 or so months off while losing most of my gains during this cycle then jumping back on. During this sling shot training is there a really big difference in muscle gain compared to your 20 week cycle advice and regular 10 week cycle? I havn't experimented with large doses yet so would a similar slingshot training method I can use is first reload use around 400mg with dbol and next reload use 500mg with another compound like deca? I suppose it wouldn't be wise to bulk in first reload then cut in second reload??? Also I would follow your advice of doing a 20 week cycle, with 2 reload phases; does that mean once I finish I should take another 20 weeks off cycle for myostatin levels and everything to come back to normal to gain well again next cycles? With your advice if I consider using this method since I just finished this cycle, shall i do the regular time on=time off protocol and wait 3 months to attempt this 20 week singshot training? Regarding being on 20 weeks for your cholesterol health etc, is that a good amount not to be too dangerous on cycle? Will i be able to manage my cholesterol levels that long with regular fish oils and cardio?


Regarding Estrogen levels, you have helped me before in previous past posts. I have yet to experience and increased sex drive from increasing my test dose, because I am always been playing around with my liquidex doses to find what works best for me. Originally tested in the beginning of this cycle on 400mg/test e without any anti-e's my estradiol levels were 222 pmol/L . I originally purchased liquidex because I was experiencing highestrogen sides, lethargy, low sex drive, etc. And I was experimenting with liquidex doses, I tried 0.25mgED, EOD. 0.3mg EOD, ED, 0.5mg EOD, 0.75mg EOD My mood is reasonable at times but at random times I experienced increased general sense of well being, and definitly no noticable high sex drive. While experimenting with my arimidex dosages I was noticing a lot of improved energy at "certain times", and definitly not constant throughout the day, but then I would notice nipple tingleness, and upped it always to where I ended at 0.5mg EOD once. At 0.5mg EOD for 4 days I did not experience the amazing high sex drive or good mood on test cycle. I then used 0.75mgEOD once and I actually felt a surge of energy on the first day, but I already knew then I reduced my e2 levels too much because I hear arimidex doesn't reach full blood levels for a week so i knew that was too much; thought for 2 days after adminstering it I had an AMAZING intense workout which was the first of this cycle which I experienced 9 weeks in, then I started feeling worse, no energy, lazy etc which I could determine my e2 levels were not very low... What is your opinion regarding estradiol levels to experience the benefits of increasing test dosage?

[Ronnie Rowland]

hello ronnie,

i just want to say you look fantastic man, great physique and i've gone through this whole thread last night to gain more knowledge from you so i thank you very much. I have a few questions though regarding slingshot training and estrogen levels.

I just finished a 10 week cycle of test enanthate 400mg/week today was my last shot. I am on hrt supplementing with hcg to try preserve my fertility. I had great gains but like any other i don't like the fact that i need to take 3 or so months off while losing most of my gains during this cycle then jumping back on. During this sling shot training is there a really big difference in muscle gain compared to your 20 week cycle advice and regular 10 week cycle? absolutely! i havn't experimented with large doses yet so would a similar slingshot training method i can use is first reload use around 400mg with dbol and next reload use 500mg with another compound like deca? yes but i would do d-bol/test or deca/test during first reload and test/deca/d-bol during second reload i suppose it wouldn't be wise to bulk in first reload then cut in second reload??? No! Just lean bulk all the way through as bulking causes too much fat gain for most! Also i would follow your advice of doing a 20 week cycle, with 2 reload phases; does that mean once i finish i should take another 20 weeks off cycle for myostatin levels and everything to come back to normal to gain well again next cycles? no! with your advice if i consider using this method since i just finished this cycle, shall i do the regular time on=time off protocol and wait 3 months to attempt this 20 week singshot training? no, you will lose most everything if you do and be in a viscious cycle of spinning your wheels. regarding being on 20 weeks for your cholesterol health etc, is that a good amount not to be too dangerous on cycle? no rule applies to everyone as genetics have a lot to do with cholesterol levels. will i be able to manage my cholesterol levels that long with regular fish oils and cardio? if you have pretty good genetics then yes if body fat levels are kept in check. If you are prone to high cholesterol levels they will probably be some what high regardless of what you do (including using steroids!)


regarding estrogen levels, you have helped me before in previous past posts. I have yet to experience and increased sex drive from increasing my test dose, because i am always been playing around with my liquidex doses to find what works best for me. Originally tested in the beginning of this cycle on 400mg/test e without any anti-e's my estradiol levels were 222 pmol/l . I originally purchased liquidex because i was experiencing highestrogen sides, lethargy, low sex drive, etc. And i was experimenting with liquidex doses, i tried 0.25mged, eod. 0.3mg eod, ed, 0.5mg eod, 0.75mg eod my mood is reasonable at times but at random times i experienced increased general sense of well being, and definitly no noticable high sex drive. While experimenting with my arimidex dosages i was noticing a lot of improved energy at "certain times", and definitly not constant throughout the day, but then i would notice nipple tingleness, and upped it always to where i ended at 0.5mg eod once. At 0.5mg eod for 4 days i did not experience the amazing high sex drive or good mood on test cycle. I then used 0.75mgeod once and i actually felt a surge of energy on the first day, but i already knew then i reduced my e2 levels too much because i hear arimidex doesn't reach full blood levels for a week so i knew that was too much; thought for 2 days after adminstering it i had an amazing intense workout which was the first of this cycle which i experienced 9 weeks in, then i started feeling worse, no energy, lazy etc which i could determine my e2 levels were not very low... What is your opinion regarding estradiol levels to experience the benefits of increasing test dosage? if i understand your question, (let me know if it's something different) some will generally have to deal with some sluggishness/sleepiness to achieve a heightened sex drive. increased estrogen levels can increase energy but they can also cause some sluggishness once dosages are increased to a point of greatly improving libido.

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Well, this is what I have done:
No HCT or PCV check but a cross check between MCV and RDW.
Not enough in your opinion?

The following results after:

38 Days of Testosterone Suspension averaged at 73,94 mg ed.
38 Days of Mesterolone averaged at 88,81 mg ed.
17 Days of Oxandrolone averaged at 68,82 mg ed.

Never used any AI or SERM so far.
?: awaiting results

__________________________________________________ _________________Day 38

BLOOD
ERYTHROCYTES: 5,08 mil/mmc [4 - 5,5]______________________________________4,65
LEUCOCYTES: 7,6 mila/mmc [4 - 9]__________________________________________14,4
- NE: 4,2 / 55,9 % [2 - 6 / 37 - 80]
- LY: 2,5 / 35 % [0,6 - 36 / 10 - 50]
- MO: 0,7 / 8,7 % [0 - 0,9 / 0 - 12]
- EO: 0,3 / 2,5 % [0 - 7 / 0 - 7]
- BA: 0 / 0,6 % [0 - 0,2 / 0 - 2,5]
HEMOGLOBIN: 15,1 gr/dl [14 - 18]___________________________________________13,2
HEMATOCRIT: 44,2 % [42 - 52]_____________________________________________39,8
MCV: 87 femtol [82 - 98]__________________________________________________85,6
MCH: 29,7 picogr. [27 - 31]________________________________________________28,4
MCHC: 34,2 gr/dl [32 - 36]_________________________________________________33,2
RDW: 13,7 % [11,6 - 16]
GRAN-NEUTROPHILS: 65,7 % [37 -80]________________________________________76,4
GRAN-EOSINOPHILS: 2,8 % [0,0 - 7]_________________________________________0,5
GRAN-BASOPHILS: 0,9 % [0,0 - 2,5]_________________________________________0,8
LYMPHOCYTES: 23,4 % [10 - 50]____________________________________________16
MONOCYTES: 7,2 % [0,0 - 12]______________________________________________6,3
PLATELETS: 150000 /mmc [150000 - 400000]_________________________________362000
PCT: 0,13 % [0,1 - 1]
MPV: 7,5 fl [5 - 10]
PDW: 17,5 % [12 - 18]

HEART, KIDNEYS, LIVER, PANCREAS & PROSTATE
GLYCEMIA (basal): 91 mg/dl [70 - 110]

QUICK PROTHROMBIN TIME: 13,7 s
PROTHROMBIN ACTIVITY: 71 % [70-130]
INR: 1,2
APTT: 28 s
FIBRINOGEN: 190 mg/dl [180 - 350]
HOMOCYSTEINE: 11 mcmoli/l [6 - 15]
MYOGLOBIN: 27 ng/ml [10 - 46]

AZOTEMIA: 62 mg/dl [15-40]______________________________________________46
CREATININE: 1,1 mg/dl [0,8 - 1,3]__________________________________________1,2
HYPERURICEMIA: 6 mg/dl [3,5 - 7,2]

CHOLESTEROL TTL: 156 mg/dl [140 - 220]___________________________________142
CHOLESTEROL VLDL: 35 mg/dl [20 - 40]
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 103 mg/dl [< 150]_______________________________________130
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 35 mg/dl [> 40]_________________________________________12
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,5 [till 5]________________________________________________11,8
APO A1: 190 mg/dl [115 - 220]
APO B: 79 mg/dl [55 - 125]
RATIO B/A1 APO: 0,41 [0,35 - 1]
TRIGLYCERIDES: 90 mg/dl [< 150]

GAMMA (YGT): 32 u/ltr [15 - 85]___________________________________________27
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE: 96 u/ltr [50 - 136]_________________________________57
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1 mg/dl [0,2-1]
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,25 mg/dl [0,05 - 0,3]
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 0,67 mg/dl [till 0,7]
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 26 u/ltr [15 - 37]__________________________________63
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 62 u/ltr [30 - 65]__________________________________104
FERRITIN: 125 ng/ml [24 - 336]

LIPASE: 324 u/ltr [114 - 284]______________________________________________234
AMYLASE: 69 u/ltr [25 - 115]______________________________________________66

LDH: 170 u/ltr [100 - 190]
CPK MB: 230 u/ltr [35 - 232]
CK NAK: 160 u/l [till 167]
PROTIDES TTL: 7,5 gr/dl [6,4 - 8,2]
ALBUMIN: 60 % [51 - 63,3]
ALFA 1: 3 % [2,2 - 4,3]
ALFA 2: 10 % [9,5 - 14]
BETA: 11 % [10-14,5]
GAMMA: 19 % [12 - 20]
A/G RATIO: 1,45 [1,0 - 1,7]

PSA: 0,6 ng/ml [till 4]__________________________________________________ ___1,23
PSA FREE: 0,23
PSA FREE/TTL: 0,38 [>0,15]
PAP: 1,3 ng/ml [till 3,5]__________________________________________________ _1,5

IGG: 1455 mg/dl [681 - 1648]
IGA: 309 mg/dl [87 - 474]
IGD: 55 u/ml [till 100]
IGM: 101 mg/dl [48 - 312]
IGE (prist): 39,07 iu/ml [1,31 - 165,3]

INFECTIVITY & ALLERGOLOGY
HIV-Ab (1+2): 0,15 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]
HCV-Ab: 0,12 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]
HBS-Ag: 0,35 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]
HAV-Ab (IgT): >85 react miu/ml [<35]
HAV-Ab (IgM): 0,07 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]
TAS: 111 ui/ml [0 - 166]
VDRL: negative [negative]
CRP: 2 mg/dl [till 5]
REUMA TEST: <20 iu/ml [<20]
ESR: 6 mm/h [till 15]
LYSOZYME: 9 picog/ml [4 - 13]
ACE: 10 mcg/l [6 - 12]

RAST Egg: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Yolk: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Crayfish: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Yeast: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Pork: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Fish Mix: 0,1 [<0,3]
RAST Olea Europaea Pollen: 0,1 [<0,3]

VITAMINS & ELECTROLYTES
VITAMIN A: 630 mcg/l [300-650]
VITAMIN E: 15,6 mg/ltr [5 - 20]
VITAMIN C: 1,1 mg/ml [0,5-1,5]
VITAMIN B12: 697 pg/ml [179 - 1162]
VITAMIN D3: 42 ng/ml [10-45]
VITAMIN H: 85 ng/ml [70-100]
VITAMIN K: 25 mcg/ml [15-30]
VITAMIN PP: 0,7 mg/ml [0,5-0,8]

SODIUM: 143 meq/l [136 - 145]
POTASSIUM: 4,5 meq/l [3,5 - 5,1]
CALCIUM: 9,4 mg/dl [8,5 - 10,1]
MAGNESIUM: 2,1 mg/dl [1,8 - 2,4]
PHOSPHORUS: 3,8 mg/dl [2,7 - 4,5]
IRON: 147 mcg/dl [35 - 150]
ZINC: 101 mcg/dl [80 - 125]
CHLORINE: 105 meq/l [98 - 107]
COPPER: 111 ku/l [76 - 153]

HORMONAL
GASTRIN: 32 pg/ml [28-125]
MELATONIN: 55 pg/ml [20 - 85]
C-PEPTIDE: 1,3 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]
INSULIN: 3,37 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]
GLUCAGON: 56 pg/ml [40-130]
ACTH: 21 pg/dl [till 50]
CORTISOL: 16,64 mcg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]________________________________________12,45
FT3: 3,47 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]________________________________________________3,95
FT4: 1,27 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________1,62
MSH: 10,5 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]
HTG: 9,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]
TBG: 21 mcg/ml [15 - 32]
TSH: 4,79 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]_____________________________________________2,48
FSH: 4,19 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_____________________________________________0,55
LH: 3,88 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_______________________________________________0,15
PREGNENOLONE: 161 ng/ml [10 - 230]
ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,89 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]
ALDOSTERONE: 155 pg/ml [10 - 160]
DHEA: 7,9 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]
DHEAS: 233 mcg/dl [106 - 464]
DHT: 625 pg/ml [250 - 990]________________________________________________1250
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,1 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]_________________________________44,7
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 15 pg/ml [8 - 47]_____________________________________219,68
SHBG: 37 nmoli/l [13 - 71]_________________________________________________6
ESTRONE: 48 pg/ml [40 - 60]
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 34 pg/ml [<20 - 47]____________________________________150
ESTRIOL: 6 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]
PROGESTERONE: 0,98 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]____________________________________1,41
PRL: 3,4 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]______________________________________________15,12
IGF-1: 135 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________________159
HGH: 0,3 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]

URINE
COLOUR: straw-coloured
APPEARANCE: limpid [limpid]
PH REACTION: 5,7 [5 - 6,5]
SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1021 [1015 - 1028]
PROTEINS: none mg/dl [0,0 - 10]
HEMOGLOBIN: none [none]
GLUCOSE: none gr/litre [0,0 - 0,2]
KETONE BODIES: none [none]
UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl [0,0 - 0,2]
BILIARY PIGMENTS: none [none]
NITRITE: none [none]

FAECES
SHAPE: homogeneous [homogeneous]
CONSISTENCY: poltacea[/COLOR] [poltacea]
COLOUR: brown [brown]
ODOUR: sui generis [sui generis]
MUCUS: absent [absent]
BLOOD: absent [absent]
PH REACTION: 7
PARASITOLOGICAL: negative [negative]
SALMONELLA: negative [negative]
HELICOBACTER PYLORI: negative [negative]
GIARDIASIS: negative [negative]

SPERM
VOLUME: 2,9 ml [>= 2]__________________________________________________ __?
PH: 7,9 [7,2-8]__________________________________________________ ________?
APPEARANCE: own__________________________________________________ _____?
VISCOSITY: within limits [within limits]______________________________________?
FLUIDIFICATION 45': physiologic [physiologic]________________________________?
SPERMATOZOON CONCENTRATION: 90.000.000 /ml [>= 20.000.000]______________?
EJACULATE SPERMATOZOON COUNT: 249.900.000 [>= 40.000.000]______________?
2ND HOUR MOTILITY: 59 % [>= 50 %]_______________________________________?
TYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 36 % [>= 35 %]______________________?
ATYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 70 %______________________________?
LEUCOCYTE: 300.000 /ml [<= 1.000.000]____________________________________?
ERYTHROCYTE: absent [absent/rare]_______________________________________?
GERMINAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]________________________________________?
EPITHELIAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]_______________________________________?
SPERMAGGLUTINATION ZONES: rare [absent/rare]_____________________________?

BLOOD PRESSURE
__________________________________Day 1__________Day 8__________Day 15__________Day 22__________Day 29__________Day 36__________Day 43
SYS (mmHg)___________________________119____________119____________123____________119_____________128____________131_____________105
DIA (mmHg)____________________________60_____________50_____________52_____________50______________56_____________51______________42
BPM__________________________________68_____________74_____________68_____________64______________67_____________76______________73

It was late when I looked over this last night and I must have accidently skipped past the hematocit reading. Normal range is 42-52 so you are good. Everything looks good!

[BJJ]

It was late when I looked over this last night and I must have accidently skipped past the hematocit reading. Normal range is 42-52 so you are good. Everything looks good!