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    Quote Originally Posted by delta1111 View Post
    Hi Ronnie,
    My next reload will consist of 400mg of test blend eod and 100mg trenbolone actetate eod. Per week this will be 1400mg of test and 350mg of trenbolone. I was thinking about also taking some winstrol at 10mg per tablet. Would this be ok and what dosage should I use? Do not exceed over 50 mgs of winstrol per day as much more can dry your joints to the point of making you feel like an 80 year old man with arthritis. Upwards of 100 mgs of Winstrol works great during the last 1-2 weeks before a show as it pulls water from subcutaneous areas but it also pulls water from the joints which is bad when trying to gain size. Deca can help counteract the drying out effect but I would still keep it at no more than 50 mgs per day when trying to gaining size/strength. Would it be safe to increase the dosage of test and trenbolone as this is also the dosage I used on my last reload? If I can safely increase dosages, what could I go up to? I would keep the test where it is for now and take the tren up to 600 mgs per week and see if you can handle the side effects of the added tren. If not, try taking the test up to 2 grams per week and keep tren at 350 mgs per week.
    Many thanks Ronnie as always.
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    Ronnie - im curious, what do your cycles look like? I know you're on TRT but surely you take more then just test?

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    Ronnie,

    Thanks for previous advice, worked wonders.

    My next slingshot cycle.

    1-8 500mg sust
    1-8 400mg tren e
    1-4 30mg dbol ed

    9-10 250mg sust

    11-18 1000mg sust
    11-14 50mg dbol ed
    11-18 500mg tren e

    19-20 250mg sust

    3-20 500iu Hcg

    pct
    clomid 50/50/25/25
    Nolva 40/20/20/20


    What you think ? Will be first time using Tren.
    Do you think I should up the test in first reload or maybe less Tren so there is a significant differance.
    Is 250 mg test enough durin deload?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ylfcm View Post
    ronnie,

    thanks for previous advice, worked wonders.

    My next slingshot cycle.

    1-8 500mg sust
    1-8 400mg tren e (take tren down to 300 mgs)
    1-4 30mg dbol ed

    9-10 250mg sust

    11-18 1000mg sust
    11-14 50mg dbol ed
    11-18 500mg tren e

    19-20 250mg sust

    3-20 500iu hcg (i do not quite understand how you are running the hcg?)
    pct
    clomid 50/50/25/25
    nolva 40/20/20/20


    what you think ? looks good! will be first time using tren.
    Do you think i should up the test in first reload or maybe less tren so there is a significant differance. just do less tren to see how you do. Keep test low during phase 1 so your body can adjust to using tren for the first timeis 250 mg test enough durin deload? with this cycle it wouldn't hurt to do 500 mgs of test per week during deloads.

    thanks
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    ronnie...order of importance concerning...diet...genetics..training...steroids? ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE View Post
    ronnie...order of importance concerning...diet...genetics..training...steroids? ??
    1. genetics
    2. steroids
    3. diet/training about the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by creactiveprotein View Post
    Ronnie - im curious, what do your cycles look like? I know you're on TRT but surely you take more then just test?
    I do not function well while using any drug and this includes many steroids. I get this from my moms side of the family. This greatly limits my selection of drugs when I do a cycle.

    It's generally around 1.5 grams of test e and 600 mgs of tren e. Or 1.5 grams of test e, 400 mgs of deca and 600 mgs of masteron e. I will use all the above in a cutting cycle and sometimes a bulker if my joints become irritated! I like sustanon as well. Orals do not agree with me but I do use winstrol the last 4 weeks going into a show.I never use anti-es except when preparing for a show as they do not agree with my joints or libido that well. I stay on cabergoline year round.

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    Hey Ron. My first 8 week reload is going really well, but what I wanted to run by you is that I have been struggling to lower my bf% utilizing your slingshot carb-cycling. I have since switched over to the anabolic diet (3 days now). I hope you don't take any offence, it's just a personal opinion. I feel the reason I wasn't getting the results from the carb-cycling is because my lack of cardio. I am on a VERY tight schedule right now, and by the time I'm done with the weights I only have about 15-20 mins left for cardio. What is your opinion of the anabolic diet?? Will this perhaps be more successful considering my personal lack of time for cardio? Will I catabolize more muscle this way? I just really don't want to absoluitely waste my test cycle/blast. My current anabolic diet looks like this:
    300p/30c/100f then carb up on the weekend. What do you think of all this? Should I go back to carb-cycling and somehow find a way to do more cardio? Or will this work well?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel. View Post
    Hey Ron. My first 8 week reload is going really well, but what I wanted to run by you is that I have been struggling to lower my bf% utilizing your slingshot carb-cycling. I have since switched over to the anabolic diet (3 days now). I hope you don't take any offence, it's just a personal opinion. I feel the reason I wasn't getting the results from the carb-cycling is because my lack of cardio. I am on a VERY tight schedule right now, and by the time I'm done with the weights I only have about 15-20 mins left for cardio. I'm only doing 20 minutes of cardio 6 days per week and I am 3 weeks out from a show and yes I am using the slingshot carb cycling diet. My suggestion to you is cut carbs to 100 per day in first two meals of the day and carb up only once a week while keeping fat low and protein low. What is your opinion of the anabolic diet?? If it's the keto diet I am thinking of you will lose muscle unless you are an endomorph. Will this perhaps be more successful considering my personal lack of time for cardio? Will I catabolize more muscle this way? When carbs are taken out I think you catabolize more muscle at some point. I just really don't want to absoluitely waste my test cycle/blast. My current anabolic diet looks like this:
    300p/30c/100f then carb up on the weekend. What do you think of all this? Looks bad because all that fat is keeping you from losing weight! Should be closer to 250 grams of protein, 100 carbs and only 30 grams of fat.Should I go back to carb-cycling and somehow find a way to do more cardio? Just go back to carb cycling for now and see if the adjustments work Or will this work well?
    Thanks
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    Haha! You're right Ron! I played all kind of sports in high school and they never grew too.. lol.. Using weights has somewhat make them grew a little, at least they don't look like matchstick anymore, but turning into a broomstick... not much, but its something.. lol...

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    You are awesome Ronnie. God bless you man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    OK, I will do the 250p/100c/30f. Is 250 grams protein enough in a day though for me? I weigh 185 @ about 15%

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    [QUOTE=Archangel.;5186913]OK, I will do the 250p/100c/30f. Is 250 grams protein enough in a day though for me? I weigh 185 @ about 15% QUOTE] I THINK SO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    Thanks for the reply Ronnie. A few things I forgot to ask. How long do I take Winstrol for? What part of the 8 week reload do I take it? And finally, do I take all at once or split it up throughout the day?

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    Confuse about finding optimal work set for slingshot training

    So many people have different theory/opinion on the right amount of work sets, I have tried a lot of different program and experimenting with sets ranging from 6 to 16 sets per week of each bodypart, with different frequency (ranging from once a week split routine to 3 times a week full body training) they all seem to work for me, although i don't really like the higher range of volume because it just kills me the next day (feels like sleeping the whole day).

    Now I'm on slingshot training, and I've been experimenting from 9-12 sets for large muscle group, and 8-12 sets for small muscle group, I haven't been on this program for too long, but so far all variation seems fine to me, although again the higher range (12 sets) makes me pretty tired the next day, and i feel like on the brink of overtraining after 4-6 weeks.

    What I'm curious about is, do you have a method to determine the optimal amount of work set for a particular muscle group?

    For example do I use the maximum allowed number of sets (12 sets) per week and then work downwards if I feel overtraining?

    Or maybe the opposite as I start from the lowest amount (i.e. 6 sets) per week, then work upwards if i don't feel i'm doing enough?

    Also when doing push and pull split, such as chest and triceps or back and biceps in one day, is it necessary to keep the amount of sets for triceps/biceps less than chest/back? For example if I do 8 sets of chest, does this mean that I have to do less for my triceps which maybe 7 or 6 sets, or its fine to do 8 sets or even more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coca cola View Post
    so many people have different theory/opinion on the right amount of work sets, i have tried a lot of different program and experimenting with sets ranging from 6 to 16 sets per week of each bodypart, with different frequency (ranging from once a week split routine to 3 times a week full body training) they all seem to work for me, although i don't really like the higher range of volume because it just kills me the next day (feels like sleeping the whole day). in this case, your body type is telling you to stay with the lower range of volume throughout the entire reloads and never train past failure by way of (forced reps, rest-pause, etc) as it will cause certain over-training

    now i'm on slingshot training, and i've been experimenting from 9-12 sets for large muscle group, and 8-12 sets for small muscle group, i haven't been on this program for too long, but so far all variation seems fine to me, although again the higher range (12 sets) makes me pretty tired the next day, and i feel like on the brink of overtraining after 4-6 weeks. Scale back the sets until you find your sweet spot. Try 6-9 sets per each major body part and you should do better!

    B]what i'm curious about is, do you have a method to determine the optimal amount of work set for a particular muscle group? [u]only you can answer this question as it varies among everyone. My current work sets looks like this on a 5 days split-[/u]

    chest-9
    lats-12
    shoulders-9
    biceps-8
    triceps-8
    traps-6
    abs-6
    lower back-3
    quads-10
    hams-6
    calves-8


    for example do i use the maximum allowed number of sets (12 sets) per week and then work downwards if i feel overtraining? that can work but it's best to find your limit and stay there to avoid over-training to begin with.

    or maybe the opposite as i start from the lowest amount (i.e. 6 sets) per week, then work upwards if i don't feel i'm doing enough? yes!!!

    also when doing push and pull split, such as chest and triceps or back and biceps in one day, is it necessary to keep the amount of sets for triceps/biceps less than chest/back? For example if i do 8 sets of chest, does this mean that i have to do less for my triceps which maybe 7 or 6 sets, or its fine to do 8 sets or even more?if worked on the same day do less as you are just finishing them off. If arms are worked on a separate day than the torso then the same amount of sets or more can be used if desired but it does no good to kill your arms as they get some stimulation from torso work and they are a small muscle that shuts down fast..
    above

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    Thanks Ron!

    Your current work sets for upper body is exactly the same like what i've been doing for the last couple of weeks, although I don't do much for traps only 3 sets, and I don't really do lower back training, maybe i should add that in.

    What kind of lower back training do you recommend? Hyperextension?

    My genetic for calves are pretty crap, and to bring them up I've been trying out "James Flex Lewis Hybrid Calf Training" I saw on his fitshow video, its basically a giant set starting from toe press on a leg press machine for 30 reps, then moving quickly to standing calves on some plates for 15 reps, then finish off standing calves for 15 reps on the floor. I do 4 sets of this giant set. What do you think of this calves routine? So far I've been getting pretty awesome pump, and i always push to failure until my calves can't move anymore. Only started trying this method for a few times, I havent seen significant result yet.

    In my gym there is no seated calves machine, I dunno what to substitute for this?

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    [QUOTE=Coca Cola;5186203]Thanks Ron!

    Your current work sets for upper body is exactly the same like what i've been doing for the last couple of weeks, although I don't do much for traps only 3 sets, and I don't really do lower back training, maybe i should add that in.

    What kind of lower back training do you recommend? Hyperextension? Yes and deadlifts work well for some.

    My genetic for calves are pretty crap, and to bring them up I've been trying out "James Flex Lewis Hybrid Calf Training" I saw on his fitshow video, its basically a giant set starting from toe press on a leg press machine for 30 reps, then moving quickly to standing calves on some plates for 15 reps, then finish off standing calves for 15 reps on the floor. I do 4 sets of this giant set. What do you think of this calves routine? It won't work as well as straight sets! Calves are pure genetics and if you don't have them you can't get them to respond a whole lot! So far I've been getting pretty awesome pump, and i always push to failure until my calves can't move anymore. You'll get a huge pump using giant sets but there wil be no permanent muscle growth beyond what you can get with heavy straight sets using impecabble form. Only started trying this method for a few times, I havent seen significant result yet. And you won't!

    In my gym there is no seated calves machine, I dunno what to substitute for this? toe presses on leg press with knees bent to create a similar angle![/QUOTE]above

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coca Cola View Post

    My genetic for calves are pretty crap, and to bring them up I've been trying out "James Flex Lewis Hybrid Calf Training" I saw on his fitshow video, its basically a giant set starting from toe press on a leg press machine for 30 reps, then moving quickly to standing calves on some plates for 15 reps, then finish off standing calves for 15 reps on the floor. I do 4 sets of this giant set. What do you think of this calves routine? It won't work as well as straight sets! Calves are pure genetics and if you don't have them you can't get them! So far I've been getting pretty awesome pump, and i always push to failure until my calves can't move anymore. You'll get a huge pump using giant sets but there wil be no permanent muscle growth beyond what you can get with heavy straight sets using impecabble form. Only started trying this method for a few times, I havent seen significant result yet. And you won't!

    In my gym there is no seated calves machine, I dunno what to substitute for this? toe presses on leg press with knees bent to create a similar angle![/QUOTE]above
    Damn! that sucks.. lol.. I'll just have to keep workin them with straight sets to the best of my ablities then, although i can't expect too much...

    Thanks for the quick reply Ron!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delta1111 View Post
    thanks for the reply ronnie. A few things i forgot to ask. How long do i take winstrol for? take it for the entire 8 week reload. What part of the 8 week reload do i take it? And finally, do i take all at once or split it up throughout the day? it's easiest to take 50 mgs each morning on an empty stomach before breakfast.
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