first cycle - sust250

[cybernox]

im finishing up my first cycle which was sustanon backloaded with prop to take me into pct.. i got good gains, close to 20 lbs with very little water retention and my vascularity actually incresed quite a bit.. 400mgs a week seems a little on the low side.. youll also want to inject sustanon at least every 3 days if not every other day to take advantage of the short estered prop.. not sure about 600mgs of clomid, this seems excessive to me

lol looks like I mixed nikolai with the OP.

Come on man. Its not about pumping steroids into your thats gonna help but making sense out of them.

20 lbs good gains ? I got 35 lbs gains with Test + Ocymeth.

Firstly @ 24 you still have an year or two to grow on your natural test. Also you should've used test for first cycle if it was that much needed.

Mixing up steroids for first cycle = no knowledge about side effects.

So ppl get gyno with specific steroid where others dont. If you come up with some side effect .. you'll never know what went wrong.

[muscle_bill]

this is why im posting it ahead of time
i know i shouldnt have ran the var first, but i did and its in the past now so all i can do is move forward and be smarter right?

in my defence, here are the links to the pct i was referencing:

http://www.*********.com/steroids/Po...%28PCT%29.html

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

and, as i just double checked, my memory served me wrong, the first day of clomid was 300mg. sorry for the mix up.

I like to think that I posted as much information as I could so that everyone could get the full picture, to save any simple stupid questions, so hawiianpride i do appreciate the list of tips, you do come off as harsh, but I'll take it lol im here to learn and hopefully achieve my goals just like everyone else, I believe this is the right place for me to be?
*nods*

as far as my weight goes, I was 191lbs back in jan this year and i decided i wanted to trim up abit so that by fall i would have a better idea of how much lean mass i have. im at the bottom end of my weight right now, i just hit it alot sooner than i should have and now im torn between changing my diet back to bulk up again early or not.

my training is very consistant though. in all honesty, im a single male living in small town ontario and work - gym - cook are pretty much my only daily regular occurrences. however, that also tells me that a) my diet needs improvement, and b) i have trouble getting enough sleep at night.

everybody gets flamed on here for "emergency questions" and "im on 3rd inject and something terrible happend" type questions so i like to think that im doing the right thing by asking ahead of time, even if it does end up being a year or two ahead of time, at least ill be better prepared.

[Bigdog99]

everybody gets flamed on here for "emergency questions" and "im on 3rd inject and something terrible happend" type questions so i like to think that im doing the right thing by asking ahead of time, even if it does end up being a year or two ahead of time, at least ill be better prepared.

well....the questions you asked were more thought out than most new guys I have seen come on here. Welcome to the board. Do some homework and good luck.

[muscle_bill]

im workin on it! lol slowly but surely, nothin but time

[Tyler694]

lol looks like I mixed nikolai with the OP.

Come on man. Its not about pumping steroids into your thats gonna help but making sense out of them.

20 lbs good gains ? I got 35 lbs gains with Test + Ocymeth.

Firstly @ 24 you still have an year or two to grow on your natural test. Also you should've used test for first cycle if it was that much needed.

Mixing up steroids for first cycle = no knowledge about side effects.

So ppl get gyno with specific steroid where others dont. If you come up with some side effect .. you'll never know what went wrong.

Not sure if this post was directed at Nikolai or not.. However, I would say that 20 lbs of QUALITY weight (muscle) is pretty good. At a 10 week cycle that is 2 lbs. / week. No water or fat and I'd say that's pretty good. There have been better gains, but there have for sure as hell been worse.

If you were talking to Nikolai, it makes no sense as mixing sust and prop are the same compound, different ester.

As far as the OP goes. A Sust cycle backloading with var is not the worst idea. Var is pretty mild. I would use a single ester though. Cyp!

[cybernox]

Not sure if this post was directed at Nikolai or not.. However, I would say that 20 lbs of QUALITY weight (muscle) is pretty good. At a 10 week cycle that is 2 lbs. / week. No water or fat and I'd say that's pretty good. There have been better gains, but there have for sure as hell been worse.

If you were talking to Nikolai, it makes no sense as mixing sust and prop are the same compound, different ester.

As far as the OP goes. A Sust cycle backloading with var is not the worst idea. Var is pretty mild. I would use a single ester though. Cyp!

Actually that post is quite mixed up. I was pointing to the OP. Nikola just got inbetween.

I was on 14 weeks of Test + Oxymeth and the gains the peak level were 40 lbs .. from that I lost 5 lbs in PCT phase. Still 35 lbs solid gains. Bodyfat is 12%-14% but yea it was a bulking cycle so bodyfat is fine at that range.

By 35/14 = 2.5, so its nearly same just 0.5 lbs gain maybe coz my body gives better result on steroids those add water retention to body ( Oxymeth). Also my water and fluid intake + protein was over the edge lol .. even got lactose intolerance then had to change the protein.. and was off milk all the time.

I would have gained more but my glute area got swollen and was a bit worried of injecting on other sites. Well wasnt a bad experience though. Next cycle starts after 90 days. So this time the results with multiple I thinking of using HGH + Test + Oxymeth or maybe Deca but still will be discussing on the forums. I'm looking for massive gains this time .. deca gain is good with water retention .. so I'm looking for 50 to 65 lbs gains.