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    - SciFit whey protein powder pre-workout
    - Jack3d - 1 scoop pre-workout
    - B-12 1000mg 1x EW
    - multivitamin 1x ED
    - Super Omega 3-6-9 oil 1200mg 2x ED
    - Fish oil 1200mg 2x ED
    - Vitamin C 1000mg 2x ED
    - Potassium 100mg 1x ED
    - Taurine 2000mg 1x any day I lift (cramps)

    I might add CO-Q10. I've stopped taking glucosamine entirely. It's a waste of money for me. I've taken it over the years and most recently have been taking it for about 10 months straight and have experienced zero benefits from doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epic Ed View Post
    - SciFit whey protein powder pre-workout
    - Jack3d - 1 scoop pre-workout
    - B-12 1000mg 1x EW
    - multivitamin 1x ED
    - Super Omega 3-6-9 oil 1200mg 2x ED
    - Fish oil 1200mg 2x ED
    - Vitamin C 1000mg 2x ED
    - Potassium 100mg 1x ED
    - Taurine 2000mg 1x any day I lift (cramps)

    I might add CO-Q10. I've stopped taking glucosamine entirely. It's a waste of money for me. I've taken it over the years and most recently have been taking it for about 10 months straight and have experienced zero benefits from doing so.
    Good stuff, Ed ... Thanks! I noticed you show Fish oil in addition to Super Omega 3-6-9. Is this just to get extra amounts of fish oil beyond the EFA 3-6-9? I take mine twice a day, and take it with a few teaspoons of natty P-butter about an hour before going to bed. The EFA's metabolize nicely with the fat in natty P-Butter. Can't say enough good things about this stuff - A MUST!

    I just got a hold of the CO-Q10 today. Will keep an eye on and let you know if I notice anything good, bad or indifferent.
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    Krill oil:

    Last time I checked my HDL it was 87. This was taking 2 krill oil caps a day and eating salmon 4-5 times a week. I like krill because it's high anti oxidant level stops it from turning rancid. You know shelf life won't be a problem as it often is with regular fish oil. Good omega 3 source. Flax oil is highly estrogenic and as Noob mentioned, does not convert easily in the body to the omega 3's we use.

    Vit D:

    All of us know about it's importance now but I think many still underdose. I took 4000 iu for 3 months and my levels came back only in the 30's. I take 8000 every day now. My Dad took 8000 per day for 3 months and only got to high 30's up from a horrible 14. At 10 000 he is almost at 60. Maybe we have issues absorbing.

    Whey:

    Undenatured is best. This way all the nutrients and glutathione content is not destroyed. Glutathione is our most gentle yet effective way of chelating the body and of course aids the mitachondria of the cell in it's tasks. It is a 'cell energiser.' While whey is a good protein source, I think it is even more important for it's glutathione content so why use a source that is denatured at high heats?

    I think keeping the carb level of whey protein down is real important, so I like to use one with stevia and keep it under 2 gm per serving. Jay Robb's is perfect for this. High carbs = high triglycerides = small cholesterol particles = dangerous plaque.

    Anti inflammatories:

    curcumin
    resveratrol
    tart cherry extract caps

    All these a poweful fighters of inflammation. Tart cherry aids in pain relief and arthritis sufferers can often decrease pain meds when using. These three are also potent cancer fighters. Tart cherry is sometimes called 'natures own chemotherapy'.

    Lugol's iodine:

    Huge for thyroid function and a must if you do not use iodized salt. Helps to ensure estradiol breakdown does not result in too high aggressive estrogen ie; helps to raise estriol the weaker estrogen over estrone. It is a breast cancer preventative and fighter.

    Liquid chlorrophyl drops:

    The cheapest green supplement in my mind. It detoxifies the body, is an excellent blood builder and source of vit K and doesn't leave that gritty taste on the roof of your mouth as the green powders do. It also helps purge the body of bad odours. I like mint flavor, can simply be added to a chocolate whey protein smoothie to make choc-mint.

    Dessicated liver:

    Vette, you wouldn't want to take this due to your high ferritin, but for those of us trying to build up iron stores, it's the safest way. Ferrous forms of iron are not easily absorbed and simply taking 'iron' can have negative consequences as iron can be a toxic free radical in the body. Dessicated liver from grass fed cattle is a good natural source of B12.

    A note about PEA. I find it can really enhance sense of well being. Dopamine drugs like deprenyl extend it's life. But you have to be really careful you don't get a hypertensive crisis. There are studies showing low dose deprenyl along with very small doses of PEA (less than 50 mg) completely resoved depression.

    In my experience with it, if you are taking even 2.5 mg of deprenyl, do not go over 50 mg PEA. Your body will start floating and blood pressure sky rockets, scary.

    20-40 mg PEA with low dose deprenyl works well to enhance happiness and feelings of love (PEA surges in high doses in our body when we fall in love) But I still notice a sort of 'come down' depleted feeling when it leaves the body so only use every now and then now.
    Last edited by PPC; 07-17-2010 at 09:50 AM. Reason: typos and ommisions

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    PPC, great post (as always)! I'm going to take a closer look at the Tart Cherry Extract. Also, I keep hearing the raves about PEA. Sounds like it has amazing potential, but also sounds like it better be taken with a lot of respect!

    BTW, I was able to get into a local blood drive last night, so I let them suck some iron enriched blood out of me. They tested it on the spot and the nurse was pleased to see my iron levels. Sure it will help someone with anemia if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetteman08 View Post
    PPC, great post (as always)! I'm going to take a closer look at the Tart Cherry Extract. Also, I keep hearing the raves about PEA. Sounds like it has amazing potential, but also sounds like it better be taken with a lot of respect!

    BTW, I was able to get into a local blood drive last night, so I let them suck some iron enriched blood out of me. They tested it on the spot and the nurse was pleased to see my iron levels. Sure it will help someone with anemia if needed.
    Excellent. Helping others and yourself.

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    Interesting sensation with the Niacin and Vitamin C combo. Yesterday I took 1g of the C and 500mg of the Niacin. Upped that to 2g of C and 1g of Niacin today. Feel a little light headed, but nothing severe. Kind of in a good way! Noticed the skin had this patchy red tint to it, almost like a minor rash. I think nOObs stated something about this being a possibility as my body adjusts to it. Anyways, that lasted about an hour and it went back to normal.

    Also started taking the CO-Q10. Now if I could just find some stinging nettle root! Might have to order that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PPC View Post
    Krill oil:

    Last time I checked my HDL it was 87. This was taking 2 krill oil caps a day and eating salmon 4-5 times a week. I like krill because it's high anti oxidant level stops it from turning rancid. You know shelf life won't be a problem as it often is with regular fish oil. Good omega 3 source. Flax oil is highly estrogenic and as Noob mentioned, does not convert easily in the body to the omega 3's we uses.

    Vit D:

    All of us know about it's importance now but I think many still underdose. I took 4000 iu for 3 months and my levels came back only in the 30's. I take 8000 every day now. My Dad took 8000 per day for 3 months and only got to high 30's up from a horrible 14. At 10 000 he is almost at 60. Maybe we have issues absorbing.

    Whey:

    Undenatured is best. This way all the nutrients and glutathione content is not destroyed. Glutathione is our most gentle yet effective way of chelating the body and of course aids the mitachondria of the cell in it's tasks. It is a 'cell energiser.' While whey is a good protein source, I think it is even more important for it's glutathione content so why use a source that is denatured at high heats?

    I think keeping the carb level of whey protein down is real important, so I like to use one with stevia and keep it under 2 gm per serving. Jay Robb's is perfect for this. High carbs = high triglycerides = small cholesterol particles = dangerous plaque.

    Anti inflammatories:

    curcumin
    resveratrol
    tart cherry extract caps

    All these a poweful fighters of inflammation. Tart cherry aids in pain relief and arthritis sufferers can often decrease pain meds when using. These three are also potent cancer fighters. Tart cherry is sometimes called 'natures own chemotherapy'.

    Lugol's iodine:

    Huge for thyroid function and a must if you do not use iodized salt. Helps to ensure estradiol breakdown does not result in too high aggressive estrogen ie; helps to raise estriol the weaker estrogen over estrone. It is a breast cancer preventative and fighter.

    Liquid chlorrophyl:

    The cheapest green supplement in my mind. It detoxifies the body, is an excellent blood builder and source of vit K and doesn't leave that gritty taste on the roof of your mouth as the green powders do. It also helps purge the body of bad odours.

    Dessicated liver:

    Vette, you wouldn't want to take this due to your high ferritin, but for those of us trying to build up iron stores, it's the safest way. Ferrous forms of iron are not easily absorbed and simply taking 'iron' can have negative consequences as iron can be a toxic free radical in the body. Dessicated liver from grass fed cattle is a good natural source of B12.

    A note about PEA. I find it can really enhance sense of well being. Dopamine drugs like deprenyl extend it's life. But you have to be really careful you don't get a hypertensive crisis. There are studies showing low dose deprenyl along with very small doses of PEA (less than 50 mg) completely resoved depression.

    In my experience with it, if you are taking even 2.5 mg of deprenyl, do not go over 50 mg PEA. Your body will start floating and blood pressure sky rockets, scary.

    20-40 mg PEA with low dose deprenyl works well to enhance happiness and feelings of love (PEA surges in high doses in our body when we fall in love) But I still notice a sort of 'come down' depleted feeling when it leaves the body so only use every now and then now.
    Hey PPC how about starting a new thread on nootropics and anti-aging. I have 8 years off and on experience with Deprenyl, Hydergine, Lucidril, and piracetam. Never got the mix quite right and never thought enough about the interaction with other things, but sounds like you can teach me some here now....what do you say...i have been thinking for years any good anti aging program should include supps for my second favorite organ also...off to do my oatmeal, cinnamon, and tumeric shake....impressed that you called it Cúrcumin too....
    Last edited by megustatetas; 07-16-2010 at 08:53 PM. Reason: add a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by megustatetas View Post
    Hey PPC how about starting a new thread on nootropics and anti-aging. I have 8 years off and on experience with Deprenyl, Hydergine, Lucidril, and piracetam. Never got the mix quite right and never thought enough about the interaction with other things, but sounds like you can teach me some here now....what do you say...i have been thinking for years any good anti aging program should include supps for my second favorite organ also...off to do my oatmeal, cinnamon, and tumeric shake....impressed that you called it Cúrcumin too....
    Would love to do that once I get back into town and get accesss to my notes and research.

    I hope you're not banned. Don't understand what's going on here. I need to be able to keep in contact with you somehow. The years of experience you have is a rarity, we can't lose that. I just don't get all of this.

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