Knowledge needed for my 1st cycle of TEST

[Zygote]

Well your question was really is there anything you should be doing or taking re side effects etc.

If you MUST take the steroids then eat properly, sleep, take the weight up slowly to give your connective tissues time to catch up to your strength gains (apart from the strength gains from gear you'll also get good brain gains in the first few months). Learn about PCT and what to take. Profit.

Edited to make people happy.

[Big]

Well your question was really is there anything you should be doing or taking re side effects etc.

Just take the steroids, eat properly, sleep, take the weight up slowly to give your connective tissues time to catch up to your strength gains (apart from the strength gains from gear you'll also get good brain gains in the first few months). Learn about PCT and what to take. Profit.

Advising someone who doesn't even work out yet to take steroids?

[lovbyts]

Advising someone who doesn't even work out yet to take steroids?

Is this an old member who has been banned with a new profile or a new member next to be banned? Either way

Zygote Why not speak less, read more and learn how we do thing around her IF you want to stay long. Terrible advise BTW

[Zygote]

Advising someone who doesn't even work out yet to take steroids?

Can you outline why you think its a bad idea for somebody to take steroids who doesn't work out?

Nothing will happen if he continues to not workout or eat. He won't explode or die or develop overnight baldness. Again nothing will happen.

The only issue I can see that would cause concern would be connective tissue problems if he does workout and I clearly outlined that in my post.

Do you get banned here for telling the truth?

[G4R]

Can you outline why you think its a bad idea for somebody to take steroids who doesn't work out?
Can you explain why you think it doesnt matter if they work out?

Nothing will happen if he continues to not workout or eat. He won't explode or die or develop overnight baldness. Again nothing will happen.
Did anyone say he would explode or die? I am curious as to what you think the purpose of someone using steroids is.

The only issue I can see that would cause concern would be connective tissue problems if he does workout and I clearly outlined that in my post.
So it sounds like you are saying that he will be better off not working out if he uses steroids?

Do you get banned here for telling the truth?
No, not at all. You get banned for giving horrible advice to someone when it is apparent you have no experience using the compounds yourself.

We dont tolerate ignorance here, especially when it pertains to a persons safety and health.

[Zygote]

We dont tolerate ignorance here, especially when it pertains to a persons safety and health.

I'm not trying to cause problems. If your rules say I can't say what I said then I apologize and it won't happen again.

To answer your questions:

"Can you explain why you think it doesnt matter if they work out?"
Nothing will happen. Whether you work out or not you still have the compound in your system. It will run its course and again, nothing will happen. If he follows normal pct he'll be fine won't he?

"Did anyone say he would explode or die? I am curious as to what you think the purpose of someone using steroids is."
The purpose is dependent on the goals of the person. I don't think its fair to say you are more responsible using steroids to push past your natural limits vs someone who wants to speed up the arrival at their natural limits. The risks are the same.


"So it sounds like you are saying that he will be better off not working out if he uses steroids?"
No I am saying since he has not worked out his strength will increase significantly and his tendons and ligaments will lag behind. Other then that I don't see any real issues that would affect him that wouldn't also affect a more accomplished person using the same gear.


"No, not at all. You get banned for giving horrible advice to someone when it is apparent you have no experience using the compounds yourself."
I have used gear for the past few years. I also researched AAS's extensively over the last few years. I have both a personal and professional interest in them at the moment and it just makes me a little angry that people won't be honest and tell the truth about them but rather like to become emotive and condescending when they are discussed.


I'd like to ask you a question, in what way and for what reasons was my advice horrible? Real reasons?

[Zygote]

Just like to add that I don't believe steroids are taken without risk. I am sterile after 3 years of non stop use and probably won't ever have children again. I already have 3 though so that was a side effect I was prepared to take.

But I am healthier then the average person my age (37), fit and my doctors happy. I think in a world of 1 I'd be proof that long term high dosages of AAS are good for you.

[lovbyts]

I'm not trying to cause problems. If your rules say I can't say what I said then I apologize and it won't happen again.

To answer your questions:

"Can you explain why you think it doesnt matter if they work out?"
Nothing will happen. Whether you work out or not you still have the compound in your system. It will run its course and again, nothing will happen. If he follows normal pct he'll be fine won't he?
What would be the point?

"Did anyone say he would explode or die? I am curious as to what you think the purpose of someone using steroids is."
The purpose is dependent on the goals of the person. I don't think its fair to say you are more responsible using steroids to push past your natural limits vs someone who wants to speed up the arrival at their natural limits. The risks are the same.


"So it sounds like you are saying that he will be better off not working out if he uses steroids?"
No I am saying since he has not worked out his strength will increase significantly and his tendons and ligaments will lag behind. Other then that I don't see any real issues that would affect him that wouldn't also affect a more accomplished person using the same gear.
NO as you say the tendons and ligaments lag behind thus putting him at higher risk to injury. Check out the injured section. We get a lot of people who try to lift to much to soon and get injured.

"No, not at all. You get banned for giving horrible advice to someone when it is apparent you have no experience using the compounds yourself."
I have used gear for the past few years. I also researched AAS's extensively over the last few years. I have both a personal and professional interest in them at the moment and it just makes me a little angry that people won't be honest and tell the truth about them but rather like to become emotive and condescending when they are discussed.
Not at all, it's just most of us here have a different opinion on how they should be used than you and the Admins have the right to ban people who they think are giving advise contrary to our beliefs. No one said it was a democracy.

I'd like to ask you a question, in what way and for what reasons was my advice horrible? Real reasons?

In bold on both post

[G4R]

I'd like to ask you a question, in what way and for what reasons was my advice horrible? Real reasons?

Because we here know that anyone, no matter what their stats, can be affected negativly by steroids. But, we also have the common sense to advise someone with the safest, and smartest way possible to acheive their goals. If someone comes in here, stands 6'3 150lbs, based on your theory, 'yah, go ahead and take steroids, it doesnt matter...' . Where as we would say, lets get your diet in check before you consider putting any compounds into your body. THAT, IS THE SAFE AND SMART THING TO DO.

Someone comes in standing 5'6 275lbs, you: 'sure, take the steroids cause it doesnt matter, it will run its course. Run your PCT and you will be fine!'.... us, you need to start on a good cutting diet and start on cardio, but first, go to your doctor and make sure you get some vitals checked before starting any exercise and diet change. Again, your advice = reckless, our advice = safe/smart.

Look, I am not going to argue with you over this. Our policy is to give members here the SAFEST, SMARTEST, and HEALTHIEST advice possible. If your opinions differ from ours, then you need to find another forum to frequent.

[Zygote]

Because we here know that anyone, no matter what their stats, can be affected negativly by steroids. But, we also have the common sense to advise someone with the safest, and smartest way possible to acheive their goals. If someone comes in here, stands 6'3 150lbs, based on your theory, 'yah, go ahead and take steroids, it doesnt matter...' . Where as we would say, lets get your diet in check before you consider putting any compounds into your body. THAT, IS THE SAFE AND SMART THING TO DO.

Someone comes in standing 5'6 275lbs, you: 'sure, take the steroids cause it doesnt matter, it will run its course. Run your PCT and you will be fine!'.... us, you need to start on a good cutting diet and start on cardio, but first, go to your doctor and make sure you get some vitals checked before starting any exercise and diet change. Again, your advice = reckless, our advice = safe/smart.

Look, I am not going to argue with you over this. Our policy is to give members here the SAFEST, SMARTEST, and HEALTHIEST advice possible. If your opinions differ from ours, then you need to find another forum to frequent.

I agree on the safe, smart, healthy thing. But that I need to have the same opinions as you to use this forum thats a bit much.

[chuckt12345]

I'm not trying to cause problems. If your rules say I can't say what I said then I apologize and it won't happen again.

To answer your questions:

"Can you explain why you think it doesnt matter if they work out?"
Nothing will happen. Whether you work out or not you still have the compound in your system. It will run its course and again, nothing will happen. If he follows normal pct he'll be fine won't he?

"Did anyone say he would explode or die? I am curious as to what you think the purpose of someone using steroids is."
The purpose is dependent on the goals of the person. I don't think its fair to say you are more responsible using steroids to push past your natural limits vs someone who wants to speed up the arrival at their natural limits. The risks are the same.


"So it sounds like you are saying that he will be better off not working out if he uses steroids?"
No I am saying since he has not worked out his strength will increase significantly and his tendons and ligaments will lag behind. Other then that I don't see any real issues that would affect him that wouldn't also affect a more accomplished person using the same gear.


"No, not at all. You get banned for giving horrible advice to someone when it is apparent you have no experience using the compounds yourself."
I have used gear for the past few years. I also researched AAS's extensively over the last few years. I have both a personal and professional interest in them at the moment and it just makes me a little angry that people won't be honest and tell the truth about them but rather like to become emotive and condescending when they are discussed.


I'd like to ask you a question, in what way and for what reasons was my advice horrible? Real reasons?

You got to understand this is a workout/body building/aas forum so all advice given is related to that. Can this guy take AAS keep same diet and not work out and still gain weight? YES,, but its not advised when it can be done in a better manner.
look i understand what your saying, alot of advice given on here changes over the years due to trial and error and research so it aggrevates me when people say something has to be done this way or has to be done that way but overall advice is given with the best info available at that given time.

[Matt]

Can you outline why you think its a bad idea for somebody to take steroids who doesn't work out?

Nothing will happen if he continues to not workout or eat. He won't explode or die or develop overnight baldness. Again nothing will happen.

The only issue I can see that would cause concern would be connective tissue problems if he does workout and I clearly outlined that in my post.

Do you get banned here for telling the truth?

You are wrong, over time he may develop baldness, gyno, testicular shrinkage and suffer from elevated blood pressure....

[Zygote]

You are wrong, over time he may develop baldness, gyno, testicular shrinkage and suffer from elevated blood pressure....

You misunderstood the post. It was referring to a single cycle which included PCT. Those sides are unlikely to occur in such a short period of time, unlikely to be serious and are likely to be reversable and could be dealt with effectively by cessation / nolva / clomid if they did occur.

[G4R]

You misunderstood the post. It was referring to a single cycle which included PCT. Those sides are unlikely to occur in such a short period of time, unlikely to be serious and are likely to be reversable and could be dealt with effectively by cessation / nolva / clomid if they did occur.

While baldness may not be affected termendously in a short period of time, how can you say that gyno, testicular atrophy and elevated blood pressure is unlikely to happen during a single cycle? All three of them can (and a lot of times do) happen during every cycle.

[Zygote]

While baldness may not be affected termendously in a short period of time, how can you say that gyno, testicular atrophy and elevated blood pressure is unlikely to happen during a single cycle? All three of them can (and a lot of times do) happen during every cycle.

They don't usually occur in normal men over a normal cycle period (10-12 weeks) on a common dosage 250-500mg pw to an extent that requires you to stop your cycle. If they do occur you have the option to stop the cycle (why I ran prop my first cycle), lower your dosage or continue and run your PCT earlier.

As for elevated blood pressure, it shouldn't be a problem over a 12 week period and will return to normal after cessation of cycle. Long as you had healthy BP in the first place of course.